Support NeoGAF

[Danoss]

They do it all the time!

We are on the internet after all.

I've heard mixed things about the movie and will go in with no expectations. I'm able to do this with most films, luckily. I don't go to the cinema as the image and sound is far better on my setup at home, it costs far less and is far less effort.

The wait until the Blu-Ray release begins...

 

[Yagharek]

It pains me to say this, but Sydney look good to watch this year. Flag favourites easily.

 

[reptilescorpio]

It pains me to say this, but Sydney look good to watch this year. Flag favourites easily.

Not too hard to say since Lyon is still coaching.

Unlike Primus
If Boak and Chaplin end up leaving I'm not sure who will be left to train up the kids.

 

[Yagharek]

Don't toy with my heart like this, Essendon

 

[Dead Man]

Thebarton? You're not an Adeladian by any chance? *Gets too excited*

Of course. Radelaide is best aide.

You can't borrow the Kingswood! I just finished polishing the dipstick!

It's C64 Month, people. Play a C64 game every day! Tonight I think I will play...Microprose Soccer. It's basically an 8-bit prototype of Sensible Soccer.

That reminds me, I need to get back into my Wizball.

 

[sazzy]

So, how was everyone's weekend?

I played WoW and took a walk to Coogee beach. That's about it. lol

 

[Yagharek]

At this stage, there goes any chance I'll ever give valve another red cent. Joining ea in the drm thievery category. So glad steam and origin aren't on Wii u.

You can't spell valve without ea.

 

[markot]

At this stage, there goes any chance I'll ever give valve another red cent. Joining ea in the drm thievery category. So glad steam and origin aren't on Wii u.

You can't spell valve without ea.

huh?

 

[Jintor]

Valve's customer support responded and they don't refund even if you don't agree to their new ToS, which is the last straw for Vince

 

[Dead Man]

Valve's customer support responded and they don't refund even if you don't agree to their new ToS, which is the last straw for Vince

I think it is worth fighting against a system that allows a company to revoke things you have paid for because you don't agree with things that were not in the original agreement.

It may be a futile battle, but I think it is worth at least making some fuss over.

 

[Yagharek]

I think it is worth fighting against a system that allows a company to revoke things you have paid for because you don't agree with things that were not in the original agreement.

It may be a futile battle, but I think it is worth at least making some fuss over.

Precisely.

Thankfully my GameCube collection is protected from this trend though.

 

[reptilescorpio]

So, how was everyone's weekend?

I played WoW and took a walk to Coogee beach. That's about it. lol

Did some fatherly stuff yesterday. Today had the day to myself to get the yard organised.
Rained for most of the day so I just did loads of washing and played New Vegas :/

Valve's customer support responded and they don't refund even if you don't agree to their new ToS, which is the last straw for Vince

I don't see that ToS standing up over here.
(ignoring the fact that I have zero idea what I could ever sue Valve for in a class action suit....)

 

[evlcookie]

Vince, Don't you buy wii titles via the wii store? Or do you stay away from that as well?

 

[midonnay]

cmon essendon .... >_<

ps: winderlich did his hammy? ..... you gotta be joking...

 

[Yagharek]

Vince, Don't you buy wii titles via the wii store? Or do you stay away from that as well?

Yes, but Nintendo don't steal games. Or haven't so far.

 

[Yagharek]

cmon essendon .... >_<

ps: winderlich did his hammy? ..... you gotta be joking...

Out of the eight.

 

[Yagharek]

Ffs Essendon you bunch of muppets

 

[markot]

Mobile phone companies can do the same thing here to though with their contacts can't they?

Or could you legally ask for your money back now change of tos here?

 

[Jintor]

I think it is worth fighting against a system that allows a company to revoke things you have paid for because you don't agree with things that were not in the original agreement.

It may be a futile battle, but I think it is worth at least making some fuss over.

I'm still more annoyed that you can essentially opt out of culpability in a class-action suit, though as I've said before it's a larger problem with the law and largely the fault of the SCOTUS

 

[Card Boy]

I just pre-ordered Black Ops 2. I'm part of the problem!

Game is fun with friends.

 

[Danoss]

What if heaps of people didn't agree to no class-action lawsuits against Valve, and then all took out a class-action lawsuit against Valve for denying access to their games collection or whatever the consequence to not agreeing is?

That'd be interesting.

 

[evlcookie]

Yes, but Nintendo don't steal games. Or haven't so far.

Neither does EA or Valve though. Even then, isn't nintendo stealing games you purchase from the online store? Your console dies, oh no. You can't carry over the titles you have purchased to the wii u, oh no. And so on.

It isn't about "Stealing" games. It's about locking you into a specific system and keeping you there. Consoles do this worse than anyone on PC for the simple fact, as long as my account isn't banned from steam, I can go through 100 pc upgrades and still download and play the titles i've purchased.

You can't do that on a console.

So I personally don't understand why someone can be for one thing and be against another when they are essentially the same, Just a different method of control over what you've purchased. Neither is pretty.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Okay, so you cannot reheat yesterdays gravy by putting it in the microwave with some oven cooked chips for 4 minutes. It kinda just tries to turn to carbon. Lesson learnt. Now I'm even more hungy.

it's a larger problem with the law and largely the fault of the SCOTUS

Inspiration strikes. I shall produce the next porn 'homage' of the next GI Joe movie. The bad guys shall be two testicles, the head (lol) assassins (lol) of SCROTUS.

You can have a "Characters by:" credit Jintor. I shall try and remember to give you a shout out in whatever the equivalent of the Oscars they have for porn.

 

[Jintor]

The entire walled garden ecosystem approach to software is problematic.

Reptile, sprinkle a little water into the gravy before reheating.

 

[Lucian Cat]

Of course. Radelaide is best aide.

Whoa. Another gaffer so close to me...

 

[Yagharek]

Neither does EA or Valve though. Even then, isn't nintendo stealing games you purchase from the online store? Your console dies, oh no. You can't carry over the titles you have purchased to the wii u, oh no. And so on.

It isn't about "Stealing" games. It's about locking you into a specific system and keeping you there. Consoles do this worse than anyone on PC for the simple fact, as long as my account isn't banned from steam, I can go through 100 pc upgrades and still download and play the titles i've purchased.

You can't do that on a console.

So I personally don't understand why someone can be for one thing and be against another when they are essentially the same, Just a different method of control over what you've purchased. Neither is pretty.

No.

If your Wii dies, you get your content transferred by sending it in.

If you disagree with valves tos, or write a naughty word in ea forums, you lose your games.

Also, origin games have activation limits for some games like nfs. So you can't reinstall to your heart's content.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Also, origin games have activation limits for some games like nfs. So you can't reinstall to your heart's content.

The new Anno is the worst for this, even some reviewers couldn't install it enough times to complete their review

 

[Yagharek]

The new Anno is the worst for this, even some reviewers couldn't install it enough times to complete their review

10/10 still, going by reviews these days.

 

[reptilescorpio]

10/10 still, going by reviews these days.

Worst thing is the developers made a damn good game but the publisher has struck it down with some word-of-mouth killing DRM. Seriously baffling choice.

 

[Yagharek]

Now valve are forcing the new tos on Australian steam accounts without any option to accept or decline them. Very very shady act.

Master race is looking less and less like it, with origin and steam racing to the bottom. GOG is your only hope.

 

[markot]

Doesnt mean it will hold up in a court o lore.

 

[Yagharek]

Still needs to be tested. Until then, steam is an overpriced rental service.

 

[markot]

I dont think they can enforce that class action thingy in Australia. Im pretty sure you cant sign away a general legal right like that, especially in a 'tos'.

 

[Omikron]

Now valve are forcing the new tos on Australian steam accounts without any option to accept or decline them. Very very shady act.

Master race is looking less and less like it, with origin and steam racing to the bottom. GOG is your only hope.

Oh well, I will enjoy playing my video games while I get to the bottom and enjoy the ride.

FWIW: I could probably get the key for a good 80% of my games out of steam, download a full rip of the installation and just use that, if I wanted, but ehhh, effort and all that.

 

[Fredescu]

Still needs to be tested. Until then, steam is an overpriced rental service.

It's littered with 'unless overridden by local laws' quotes. Pretty sure this class action business only applies to the states. Also, it's cheaper than renting.

If your Wii dies, you get your content transferred by sending it in.

You only have to pay to get your content back. I guess that's extortion rather than theft?

 

[Yagharek]

I dont think they can enforce that class action thingy in Australia. Im pretty sure you cant sign away a general legal right like that, especially in a 'tos'.

It's true, you can't. So valve are forcing the new terms upon people with no option to agree or decline them.

 

[Jintor]

Someone made an interesting point about the new agreement being essentially made under duress.

 

[Fredescu]

FWIW: I could probably get the key for a good 80% of my games out of steam, download a full rip of the installation and just use that, if I wanted, but ehhh, effort and all that.

True, and its the same with Wii VC games. Technically you have to send you're console in but there are far easier ways around that.

 

[markot]

In an Australian first, problem gamblers could soon get help from chaplains based in New South Wales pubs and clubs.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-05/nsw-to-trial-club-chaplains-for-gamblers/4177828

Whats with the hard on for chaplains? Proper qualifications out of vogue?

 

[Dead Man]

I'm still more annoyed that you can essentially opt out of culpability in a class-action suit, though as I've said before it's a larger problem with the law and largely the fault of the SCOTUS

The bigger and more pressing issue for me is the banning from Steam being imposed for using IP methods to avoid region locks on pricing. Utter shite. It does nothing for Steam but reassure publishers who are enforcing pricing cartels.

Whoa. Another gaffer so close to me...

In an Australian first, problem gamblers could soon get help from chaplains based in New South Wales pubs and clubs.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-05/nsw-to-trial-club-chaplains-for-gamblers/4177828

Whats with the hard on for chaplains? Proper qualifications out of vogue?

Blame Howard for that one. Ever since, it is chaplains this, and chaplains that, as if that is any sort of reasonable response when the situation calls for professional counselors, and the multethnic reality of Australia demands non denominational ones. Utter stupidity.

 

[Yagharek]

True, and its the same with Wii VC games. Technically you have to send you're console in but there are far easier ways around that.

Until they have an account service it's the only way to do it. Still, Wii customer service is excellent, despite being an outdated model.

But unlike psn, xbl, steam or origin, games don't go missing courtesy of hacks, drm, account bans and being held hostage to ToS.

Sometimes being slow to adapt is a benefit to customers.

 

[Fredescu]

Until they have an account service it's the only way to do it.

Nope, the other way is piracy, and from what I understand isn't terribly difficult.

 

[Lucian Cat]

I would suggest a meetup but that might sound creepy lol

 

[Omikron]

I would suggest a meetup but that might sound creepy lol

Dead man will try to turn you into a communist.

 

[EatChildren]

Maybe it's blind fanaticism, ignorance, or a bit of both, but even with the new ToS requirement Valve is still the only digital distribution service I trust (well, and GoG). Like, I morally disagree with this decision, even if it doesn't effect Australians, simply for what it represents (taking options away from consumers), but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't bother me at all. I'm just as confident making purchases on Steam as I've always been, and have complete faith Valve wont screw me.

 

[Lucian Cat]

Dead man will try to turn you into a communist.

I've had worse haha. I could take him/her

 

[Gazunta]

That reminds me, I need to get back into my Wizball.

No time like the present!

 

[reptilescorpio]

Arkham City for $6.87 at GetGamesGo (not Steam key so yay for Vince!)
German Amazon has the 3G Vita for $242 delivered, $221 for Wifi

The bigger and more pressing issue for me is the banning from Steam being imposed for using IP methods to avoid region locks on pricing. Utter shite. It does nothing for Steam but reassure publishers who are enforcing pricing cartels.

Wait has that actually happened to anyone other than those who abuse Russian keys or the really dodgy places? I get stuff gifted from US Steam all the time and have never heard of an issue. People were getting games pulled from their accounts when they were getting Russian re-sellers to add them to their accounts, which is when GAF put the blanket ban on key sellers.

Dead man will try to turn you into a communist.

If you ain't red you are a poo poo head!

 

[trinest]

Maybe it's blind fanaticism, ignorance, or a bit of both, but even with the new ToS requirement Valve is still the only digital distribution service I trust (well, and GoG). Like, I morally disagree with this decision, even if it doesn't effect Australians, simply for what it represents (taking options away from consumers), but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't bother me at all. I'm just as confident making purchases on Steam as I've always been, and have complete faith Valve wont screw me.

I agree, Steam is still the only digital distribution service I trust. I also feel that its good to continue buying from them as I have all my other games with them.

I try and use GOG for older games and maybe a few indie games as well, and stuff I buy on Green Man Gaming has to be a Steam key attached to it.

 

[Dead Man]

I would suggest a meetup but that might sound creepy lol

Nah, not creepy. We have a couple RadGaffers now, I think we should really organise alll four of us, stop the eastern barbarians ghaving all the fun.

Dead man will try to turn you into a communist.

No, I will just point out wonderfully your feelings on politics, social welfare, trade and power imbalalnce can be explained so well under the crimson light of the truth of socialism. You will see the only answer left is ecnomic socialism with social libertarianism.

Maybe it's blind fanaticism, ignorance, or a bit of both, but even with the new ToS requirement Valve is still the only digital distribution service I trust (well, and GoG). Like, I morally disagree with this decision, even if it doesn't effect Australians, simply for what it represents (taking options away from consumers), but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't bother me at all. I'm just as confident making purchases on Steam as I've always been, and have complete faith Valve wont screw me.

At the momenty I will still buy from Vavle, casutiously. I am very concerned about looing games that you paid for on dis but use steamworks if I us IP hacks to get better priicing. That is what bothers me the most.

No time like the present!

Indeed, Maybe this time I was actually make some progress. Such a simple game, but for 25 years it kicked my arse.

If you ain't red you are a poo poo head!

Exactly