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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
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Brutalitops
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Aarglefarg
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The past two weeks aren't the whole campaign. You might remember things about changes to negative gearing, more funding for schools...
As much padding as there was.
If by 'whole' you mean the last two weeks. Prior to that they had been pushing their quite literal '100 positive policies' campaign that The Chaser lampooned.
I'm not defending the dumbshit decision to go so hard, without any caveats, over Medicare, to be clear. I hope a number of campaign advisors in the ALP get a foot in the arse over it.
choodi
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If Turnbull survives this and contests the next election as PM, i genuinely see the Medicare claims coming back to haunt Labor.
bobnowhere
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Chris Ulman's conservatism is showing, he's pissed off now.
I don't in the slightest. Did the ALP overplay it? Sure but it did two things: first it put health at the forefront of the election and made everyone realise that the Coalition have been taking chunks out of medicare since Fraser and secondly it drew a promise out of Turnbull yesterday morning on Sunrise. He said no one will have to pay more to visit the doctor absolutely under the coalition. He tried later in the day to roll back on that promise, but he made it and it will hang around his neck for as long or short as he is PM. It was his "no carbon tax" or "no cuts to health & education, not cuts to the ABC or SBS." They can't touch Medicare anymore.
Bill will get 3 more years.
I don't in the slightest. Did the ALP overplay it? Sure but it did two things: first it put health at the forefront of the election and made everyone realise that the Coalition have been taking chunks out of medicare since Fraser and secondly it drew a promise out of Turnbull yesterday morning on Sunrise. He said no one will have to pay more to visit the doctor absolutely under the coalition. He tried later in the day to roll back on that promise, but he made it and it will hang around his neck for as long or short as he is PM. It was his "no carbon tax" or "no cuts to health & education, not cuts to the ABC or SBS." They can't touch Medicare anymore.
Bill will get 3 more years.
D.Lo
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But the polling has showed the Medicare bullshit thing has actually worked. That's the most frustrating part for me.
It's the coalition's fault that the scare was plausible of course. But nontheless, what are effectively, if not lies then at least no evidence speculation, have done well for them.
I'm now concerned there will be a factional shitfight over the Labor leadership, since the next election should now be an easy win for Labor. Shorten has improved but is still a pretty shit performer and dirty factional player.
Brutalitops
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I can't help but love Barnaby
shanshan310
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I dunno, it was kind of over the top and often times exaggerating, but at it's core not really wrong...
choodi
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Not necessarily. Don't discount Turnbull with a full term to convince people.
The only reason Medicare is safe for now is because Liberal was feeling the heat and has to back track. We know it's gonna be snuck in just like GP tax was and every other bullshit policy Liberal stands for. Now that we are getting another minority government we can at least hope for these shit tactics being thrown out asap.
ABCs got Barnaby on saying that the senate should bend to the will of the Lower House etc.
I'd be more worried if Shorten didn't see gains. He saw off Abbott and nearly turfed Turnbull in the space of three years. The ALP are generally loyal to a fault, with the exception of RGR, so I expect to see them stay on with him after his fantastic performances, especially with the last nine years haunting the ALP if they try more factional bs.
TwiztidElf
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I've been flicking around, and this is without a doubt the most media controlled coverage ever. Barnaby starts talking about GetUp - Cut!. Some Liberal dude starts talking about real stuff - cut.
choodi
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How is it not wrong at its core if it is not true?
He's just tired. His wife is the Labor candidate in the comfortably left seat of Canberra.
D.Lo
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Fair call, but he'll be weakened from an already weak spot now.
Yeah, I started to type up something about that (nuance vs sledgehammer) but couldn't be bothered to finish it, lol. Frustrating only scratches the surface of how I feel about that aspect of the campaign.
Barnaby is on my TV talking to me, #godblessing me for returning him to government despite all pre-election polls suggesting it was close when instead it turns out he shitted it in.
I swear if I don't get one of the 175 jobs in the AVPMA before Christmas, I will write a very angry letter to Barnaby's office. Maybe the angriest - M.
viciouskillersquirrel
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It only felt true because it's the logical conclusion of the Liberal Party philosophy regarding any form of government provided services. It doesn't make it true in the immediate future, though it's always good to remind voters that this is the end goal. People seem to have collective amnesia about what political parties are.
I only wish there were some way of elevating the conversation so that it was about clear differences in worldview rather than horror stories about how the other side imminently plans to murder your children. Horror stories work, unfortunately. Nuanced debate over principles doesn't.
shanshan310
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They are making shitty changes to medicare. They've already put a freeze on a freeze on medicare to get the copayment through, and as of yesterday blood tests, xrays, and pap smears are no longer bulk billed. They haven't even denied that they're planning on cutting it back further. Only that they won't be privatising it completely.
Majority but still considered a minor, no? A majority government would be having far more than just 75/76 seats right?
Brutalitops
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Laurie: "Have you got any congratulations from Mr Depp?"
Barnaby: "Haha, Mr Depp has not been part of this government. But if you look into the cloud you might see Amber Heard."
Top banter, Joycie
Barnaby: "Haha, Mr Depp has not been part of this government. But if you look into the cloud you might see Amber Heard."
Top banter, Joycie
Australia only
Anything text based?
AEC website is where you can get up to date stuffAustralia only
Anything text based?
He's short circuting slightly. I think he needs a recharge
choodi
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A majority is a majority, whether it is 1 or 20.
30yearsofhurt
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Cowan super close according to AEC.
That would be a big surprise.
That would be a big surprise.
Indeed, but you still need to elect a speaker and deputy speaker.
Just quickly flicked through between 7 and 9. Heard Lambie bang on about something, followed by very heavy breathing and a slow zoom-out of the camera so I swapped to the other channel, saw Vandstone and Beazley trading shots over Medicare (and by trading I mean talking over/at one another).
Yep, that'll do me. Back to ABC. I look forward to re-unplugging the aerial after this evening, for that matter.
Yep, that'll do me. Back to ABC. I look forward to re-unplugging the aerial after this evening, for that matter.
As a Tasmanian, I apologise for Lambie, I really do
^ See below.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/list/?selector=indoubt&sort=az
Shame Petrie skewed back strongly to LNP.
Yup. Back to 50.0% even.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/list/?selector=indoubt&sort=az
Shame Petrie skewed back strongly to LNP.
Elaugaufein
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I think Shorten is safe simply because of how much he's visibly improved over this campaign. Even though he didn't win, he's shown he can actually be a viable and effective leader. And I can't believe I'm saying that about someone who came across like a paper mache puppet when he first became leader.
choodi
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The only thing Vandstone and Beasley are qualified to fight over is a pie and chips.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/list/?selector=indoubt
Barman, Capricornica, Cowan, Hindmarsh
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