AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?

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senahorse

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Oh lets not forget Julie Bishop's comedy routine and that bad Rudd going to a cooking show on the same day he had a briefing, JUST TERRIBLE.
 
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senahorse

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Fredescu said:
Apparently it won't last too long: http://neilchenoweth.com/2013/08/26/it-was-col-wot-won-it-is-tony-abbott-ready-for-his-new-bff/
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It's a horrid state of affairs. We get two newspapers delivered at work, The Courier Mail and The Australian. These papers used to be able to be differentiated but now are basically the same thing with a different title in two different sizes. There is no other local paper (that I am aware of) that I can read and get unbiased journalism..."unbiased journalism" I am wondering if such a thing has become nothing but an oxymoron :/

shanshan310 said:
What's happening today?
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Have a read of The Courier Mail...only if you don't have to pay for it.
 
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CrazedProfessional said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/25/tony-abbott-attempts-the-flip?CMP=soc_567
From today onwards he is Mr. Positive.
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Ugggggghhhhh.

x3n05 said:
It's a horrid state of affairs. We get two newspapers delivered at work, The Courier Mail and The Australian. These papers used to be able to differentiated but now are basically the same thing with a different title in two different sizes. There is no other local paper (that I am aware of) that I can read and get unbiased journalism..."unbiased journalism" I am wondering if such a thing has become nothing but an oxymoron :/



Have a read of The Courier Mail...only if you don't have to pay for it.
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Yeah, I've had the same problem X3n, there is basically nothing else but the Courier Mail and the Australian, especially if you want delivery. You can buy the Age/SMH here, but it's always a day late so what's the point :/

I might go have a peek at the newsagents.
 
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markot

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"The Liberal National Party Coalition has for almost three years been sitting on a full, written plan for governing Australia. It is, by all accounts, one of the most detailed and exhaustive plans for government ever prepared by an opposition party.

"But it has never been made public. That's because the person charged with pulling it together from detailed discussions with shadow ministers as well a huge range of community leaders, has been Andrew Robb, the shadow finance minister, who was also responsible for Fightback! - the detailed policy that cost John Hewson the 'unlosable election' of 1993."
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Labor is going to win. Mark it in your calenders.
 
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Fredescu

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markot said:
Labor is going to win. Mark it in your calenders.
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Is this meant to be related to what you quoted? Because it isn't. They're hiding it because Keating's attack on their detailed and specific policies is what allowed Hewson to lose the "unloseable election". So they've learnt from that and are just releasing little bits and pieces. The voters that count don't care about the detail.
 
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senahorse

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I wish I shared your assumed optimism, not that I trust the polls either but it looks like TA will be our PM soon. Though as they say, the only poll that matters is on the election day itself.
 
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Fredescu

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Essential polling sticks doggedly to 50:50, but they show Rudds disapproval up, ALP primary vote down, and Greens Primary vote up by 3.
 
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Dead Man

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How can Abbott be so disliked and still be going to win? I know, we don't vote for a PM, but it still is a bit weird to me.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Dead Man said:
How can Abbott be so disliked and still be going to win? I know, we don't vote for a PM, but it still is a bit weird to me.
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The answer lays in the fact that both of them have majority disapproval. People wish a pox on both houses and are either protest voting or are rusted on (they'd rather vote for their guy rather than the other guy, even if they admit he's kind of a tool).

Palmer and Katter are more of a threat to the LNP in many regional Queensland areas than Labor ever will be, in the same way that the Greens are dangerous to Labor because they steal their more progressive members.

Given our system it doesn't make a huge difference in practice though, because one of the two major parties will have the biggest block and hell will freeze over before the Green's form a minority government with the LNP and now that Katter has formed his own (even more conservative than the LNP) party rather than being independent, there's no chance at all he'll throw in with Labor , it'd just cause his party voting base to move back to the Nationals. Palmer basically left the LNP because it wasn't pro-big business enough for his tastes, so I can't seem him going with Labor over the LNP either.

All that said, Abbot will most likely win, just because people want some kind of change. Also Rudd is sending fairly mixed messages to his more progressive supporters and that's kind of dangerous since it will tend to shift their primaries to parties like the Greens, which may cost them seats in some areas.

It should also be remembered Rudd isn't actually their to win and probably won't lose Party Leadership even if he didn't. Labor didn't bring him in to win, they brought him in to avoid another Newman style Coalition, landslide like happened in Queensland. If Labor manages to hold enough seats in the Lower House or Senate to stop the LNP doing whatever they want they'll call it a victory.
 
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shanshan310 said:
Yeah, I've had the same problem X3n, there is basically nothing else but the Courier Mail and the Australian, especially if you want delivery. You can buy the Age/SMH here, but it's always a day late so what's the point :/

I might go have a peek at the newsagents.
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QUEST News is alright even though it's owned by News Corp, Brisbane Times is good for digital and if you really want a good read try NSFW Corp.

I would pay money for a print copy of The Brisbane Times. :'(

Edit: Oh, the fuckers shut down Quest back in February. Fucking News Corp.
 
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senahorse

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CrazedProfessional said:
QUEST News is alright even though it's owned by News Corp, Brisbane Times is good for digital and if you really want a good read try NSFW Corp.

I would pay money for a print copy of The Brisbane Times. :'(

Edit: Oh, the fuckers shut down Quest back in February. Fucking News Corp.
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We seem to really like monopolies and duopolies in this country.
 
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Elaugaufein

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I dunno. Our tendency to do whatever America wants isn't really a bright light on our politics either. But if you mean political discourse the average person cares about you're probably right.
 
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Dead Man said:
How can Abbott be so disliked and still be going to win? I know, we don't vote for a PM, but it still is a bit weird to me.
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I'm of the opinion that back when the Liberals mutinied over Turnbull's support for the ETS and Abbott ended up winning the leadership by a single vote that even those who supported him didn't expect him to be leader for long. This is all conjecture, but the plan was probably for him to shore up those elements of the base that were put off by Turnbull and take a bit of gloss off the still massively popular Rudd with a pugilistic, attack dog style. It's a strategy that makes perfect sense after an election like 2007 and its aftermath (2 opposition leaders down, Rudd and his government still popular but with a few chinks showing and many big ticket items still on the horizon or delayed by the GFC) and it's one that doesn't require a likeable/popular leader, or even compelling policy alternatives.

What happened though is that with a shambolic ALP, a compliant media and a public still under the influence of some of the distorted narratives of the Howard era (esp. re: asylum seekers, federal budgets and middle class entitlement) the strategy never stopped working. It got the Coalition to the point where they could, for the most part, rely on inertia (as Shaun Micallef put it) to see them through to polling day. One has to imagine that the vast majority of people whose vote has been swayed (i.e. not ideologues with established political persuasions) by issues such as boat people, debt and deficit, carbon tax etc... either don't understand or are misinformed on them.
 
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Jintor

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Get prepared to hear the words "We have a mandate from the Australian people" from the mouth of Tony Abbott for a couple of years to come
 
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Dead Man

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http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/26/todays-newspoll-labors-victory-certain-possibly-huge/

Deciphered, Newspoll shows Labor winning, and I’ll bet three hundred dollars on them now.

My reasoning is this. The voters were on landlines and aged, on average, 68. This gives Labor, at a minimum, 1.2 percent more, when you add in the fourteen million under-68-year-olds who were not consulted and who answer, mostly, only mobiles. The ‘preference flow at August 2010 federal election’ is redundant, and Katter’s preferences, declared now, will add 1.1 to Labor. The ‘refused’ are are usually migrants, who add, oh, 1.3 percent more to Labor. And the 5 percent ‘uncommitted’, six hundred thousand people, if 55 percent go Green or Labor, add, when shaken down, 1.2.

Which brings us up to 51.8, a swing of 1.7, giving Labor Aston, Brisbane, Casey, Dunkley, Forde, Longman (Wyatt Roy) and MacQuarie, and a majority, with Bandt’s help, or without it, and Wilkie’s, or without it, of ten seats overall.

If, however, the Newspoll is out by a margin of not 3 percent, which it admits to, but 1 percent, Labor picks up Bonner, Canning, Herbert and Swan, and, with Bennelong likely also, because of the Mandarin Factor, a majority of twenty.

These, then, are the current Newspoll figures, before the Rooty Hill facedown, and tonight’s Q&A appearance of Shorten and Watson, who may have some useful zingers after what Julie (Bare-Arse) Bishop said yesterday, and the Great Refusal of Joe and Tony’s figures, and the outrage of old female pensioners bilked of their pension rises and super by the Rich Party, keen to pay Sarah Murdoch 75,000 for her baby.

And, of course, the re-revelations of Tony Abbott’s trenchant support for convicted pederasts, and his thirty-year cover-up of what might be called ‘pro-active paedophilia’ at St Barnabus’s, his seminary. And his desertion of his pregnant bride and his neglect of her subsequent funeral after he ruined her with nationwide publicity of his cuckolding.

I stand by my figure, 56.8 percent to Labor, and a majority of sixty-two. But I might be wrong. Never has the media been so burdened with fright. Never has freedom of speech, since the Second World War, been so immured in craven secrecy.

And so it goes.
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I don't believe it, but I want to.
 
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Yeah, not delusional at all.

EDIT: Oh, this is Bob Ellis, who wanted to break Fran Kelly's nose.
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I really can't see it happening either. He's right that land line polls will skew conservative but migrants aren't necessarily left voting here and assuming that undecided in a group that skews conservative will break 55% Labor is crazy.

I was shocked that Katter was preferencing Labor. This is a guy who's Queensland campaign prominently featured a picture of Cambell Newman saying he supported gay marriage as an incentive to vote for the Katter Party. Then I had a look at the voting tickets and he's just gaming preferences, he's got Labor above the LNP above the Greens , his game is to try and knock one of the latter LNP Candidates out of contention and get in of their preferences (since they've got him ranked relatively high).

Palmer's playing a similar game, trying to get the 3 top LNP guys in and knock off one the bottom ones.

Man the quota thing and having flow on from candidates who hit quota results in some really odd gaming of the system.
 
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shanshan310

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DeathJr said:
Media Q&A going on right now. Some good questions from the audience.


20 mins later, and now they're arguing like little children. *sigh*
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Thanks, I wasn't gonna watch after last week's ugh. I caught the end of the end woman's point on maternity leave which was great.

I'm less keen on the "well the labor party".... "well the liberal party".


Man, the liberal party has really jumped on this "labor is negative" line.
 
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DeathJr said:
Media Q&A going on right now. Some good questions from the audience.


20 mins later, and now they're arguing like little children. *sigh*
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The delusion going that goes on when a politician actually thinks they aren't as bad as the other lot is quite comical. At least Shorten, for a while now, seems completely beaten down by the whole process, but Kelly O'Dwyer is the very model of it.

Right now I hope no one wins and somehow Clive Palmer forms government. It would be entertaining at least.
 
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CrankyKong said:
Who are ALP likely to have as leader this time next month?
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Rudd. 6 months later? Who knows.

Edit: Speaking of, why are Labor not yelling this shit out loud?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ass-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2chB4uUnW
What is surprising is the extent to which Coalition policies will result in a significant redistribution of wealth upwards rather than downwards. Consider the following Coalition policies:

■ Lower the tax-free threshold from $18,200 to $6000. This will drag more than one million low-income earners back into the tax system. It will also increase the taxes for 6 million Australians earning less than $80,000.

■ Abolish the low-income superannuation contribution. This will reimpose a 15 per cent tax on superannuation contributions for people earning less than $37,000.

■ Abolish the proposed 15 per cent tax on income from superannuation above $100,000 a year. The combined effect of these two superannuation changes is that 16,000 high-income earners with superannuation savings in excess of $2 million will get a tax cut while 3.6 million workers earning less than $37,000 will pay more than $4 billion extra in tax on their super over the next four years.

■ Abolish the means test on the private health insurance rebate. This will deliver a $2.4 billion tax cut over three years for individuals earning more than $84,001 a year, or couples earning more than $168,001. People on lower incomes will receive no benefit.

■ Introduce a paid parental leave scheme that replaces a mother's salary up to $150,000. To put it crudely, this means a low-income mum gets about $600 per week while a high-income mum gets close to $3000.

■ Abolish the means-tested Schoolkids Bonus that benefits 1.3 million families by providing up to $410 for each primary school child and up to $820 for each high school child.
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Fredescu

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CrankyKong said:
Who are ALP likely to have as leader this time next month?
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If it's close, I think they'd want to hang on to Rudd for little while. If Abbott calls for a double dissolution election, which he will if the Greens have balance of power in the Senate, Labor will be screwed if they go for someone who needs a few years to build his profile like Husic or Shorten or someone. The second election against a weaker leader will just increase the majority.

It's probably between Albanese, Bowen, Shorten, maybe Beattie. Too early for Husic.
 
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Dead Man said:
http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/26/todays-newspoll-labors-victory-certain-possibly-huge/



I don't believe it, but I want to.
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This is getting really close to 2012 Republican Unskewing delusion.

Although Essential still has them at 50/50... god the bitter tears at another minority government would be so delicious.

Fredescu said:
If it's close, I think they'd want to hang on to Rudd for little while. If Abbott calls for a double dissolution election, which he will if the Greens have balance of power in the Senate, Labor will be screwed if they go for someone who needs a few years to build his profile like Husic or Shorten or someone. The second election against a weaker leader will just increase the majority.

It's probably between Albanese, Bowen, Shorten, maybe Beattie. Too early for Husic.
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It's a shame that Combet quit. He was probably the only guy from the Left that wouldn't let himself be pushed around by the arsehole Right faction.

I wonder if they wish they had Carr in the HOR?
 
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Fredescu

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http://abbottsinternet.com.au/

I saw the video earlier, and now the site. I try to not let politics get to me emotionally, but it's just goddamn depressing that we came within a few years of universal fibre.

Also it's pretty obvious that Murdoch sees the ABC as a competitor and the Libs are just going to gut them in return for favourable coverage.
 
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