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Autumn Anime 2015 |OT| Like leaves on a tree… we’re falling one by one.

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JulianImp

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Angel Beats - 12-End

Sorry kiribread, but I've got to say I sadly didn't find this show enjoyable. Compared to other shows, Angel Beats managed to neither flesh out a large cast (like Baccano) nor a reduced group of characters (like say, Maiden of Dusk). Most of the cast barely mattered and got no development, and it felt awful to have most of them pass on while the audience wasn't even looking and not even getting to know their stories. Of all people, Yui was the worst character to focus on for a whole episode because it felt like it was only done to try and make me cry, but it failed miserably because her character was so annoying and obnoxious before that suddenly trying to make me sympathize with her by showing just how much of an unfair life she had just wasn't going to work.

Even if we focus on Otonashi, Kanade and Yuri, they had little to no development outside of sorting their issues out in the most ham-fisted and emotive way possible, which again didn't click at all for me. Kanade was the worst, since she almost stopped talking entirely during the final episodes and we never even got to listen to her story besides that line at the end, which was weird as hell since it seemed like she had been around for far longer than Otonashi, and yet he had died before her. Then the post-credits scene shows they reincarnated and got to meet again, but the show didn't even have to make them look exactly the same as they did on their past lives to make us realize that it was them.

If Maeda's intent was for me to care about Otonashi and Kanade's blooming relationship, then I'd say he most certainly failed. Neither of them progressed enough as characters during the series, and all the show did to make me sympathize with them was repeatedly put them in ham-fisted dramatic situations that'd just get happily solved in the end, much like Symphogear. By the end only a handful of characters managed to get any development, and most of the time it was limited to little more than seeing how miserable their lives used to be. The bitterness of Otonashi and company having to say goodbye to their friends and comrades was even robbed from us as several of them just vanished while Yuri was recovering after shooting at lots and lots of computer monitors because that's the way you make them stop working (I guess it might've worked if they were iMacs... but they weren't). Like, the guy who kept a picture of Yuri (I think it was the axe guy) vanished before he ever did anything except being angry and violent all the time.

The whole thing about them being in some sort of purgatory was really obvious since the start, but it was still weird since it always seemed like it was just part of a computer system rather than something physical. The final scenes also made me think that the show would end as a closed time loop, with Otonashi staying behind to help others, creating the Angel System and ultimately turning himself into an NPC to cope with Kanade's disappearance, but then again that'd probably have been a bit too bitter an ending.
 

Ascheroth

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Fafner - 11

Didn't know there was a writer change midway and now I'm kinda excited because next episode is when it happens.
As for the episode itself: A new group of Fafners appear, the red one is neat. Kazukis trip to the outside world ended with him getting imprisoned by the Neo UN because Kariya is an asshole. But at least they stuck her in a cell as well.
Soushi is still salty because 'Kazuki doesn't understand him'. Well dude, that happens if you don't make use of those mysterious things called 'mouth' and 'words'.
 
Anti-Magic Academy: The 35th Test Platoon Episode 5 – The Witch-Hunting Festival
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But it ended up being really funny in this show. The cast has such good chemistry with each other and the plot is actually intriguing. I hope for lots of action next episode.
 

Ascheroth

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AntimagicAcademy - 05

I get the feeling they just want to set a record for most rushed adaption. It's episode 5 and we've just started the 4th novel. Huh, the 4th you say? Didn't we just finish the 2nd one last week? Well, that's true! But 2 novels in 4 episodes is obviously not fast enough, so why not skip the 3rd one entirely!
But at least the fanservice scenes are well paced, glad to see they have their priorities straight :/.
 
AntimagicAcademy - 05

I get the feeling they just want to set a record for most rushed adaption. It's episode 5 and we've just started the 4th novel. Huh, the 4th you say? Didn't we just finish the 2nd one last week? Well, that's true! But 2 novels in 4 episodes is obviously not fast enough, so why not skip the 3rd one entirely!
But at least the fanservice scenes are well paced, glad to see they have their priorities straight :/.
They probably rearranged the order, but this is still one hell of a botched adaptation.
 

Canon

Banned
I'd really like it if some less popular anime had soundtrack releases. Certain animes like Rinne (which, no, that's not it) have certain catchy tunes that I'd love to just listen to in the background. I almost want to sit down and just record my own versions of them for that reason, but that's a lot of work for little gain.

In this day and age, iTunes releases shouldn't cost anything to put up... or some other digital means. I think everything should have its soundtrack available.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
I'd really like it if some less popular anime had soundtrack releases. Certain animes like Rinne (which, no, that's not it) have certain catchy tunes that I'd love to just listen to in the background. I almost want to sit down and just record my own versions of them for that reason, but that's a lot of work for little gain.

In this day and age, iTunes releases shouldn't cost anything to put up... or some other digital means. I think everything should have its soundtrack available.

A lot of OSTs seem to be bundled with the show these days. Releasing them independently on iTunes would be removing that incentive. So the question becomes, how much do bundled OSTs help with shifting copies of shows?
 

Canon

Banned
A lot of OSTs seem to be bundled with the show these days. Releasing them independently on iTunes would be removing that incentive. So the question becomes, how much do bundled OSTs help with shifting copies of shows?
What do you mean "bundled with the show"? Do people actually skip animes and just listen to OSTs? That's... no, I don't think that happens. The only reason I find out about the songs is through watching the anime; if I didn't, I would have no connection to the song and even if it was great I wouldn't feel like I needed to go out and buy it.

It's only because it's in anime that it should be made available to purchase. Hell, I purchased the Dragon Ball Z American TV soundtrack, while on its own I would never do that. And it makes me want to watch the show, too. (Maybe bad example because people hate that soundtrack but it is what it is).
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
You buy the show on Blu Ray or DVD (or part of said show since they tend to be separated into volumes) and it comes with an additional disc that is the OST.
 

jbug617

Banned
SAO Character Polls are release. The top 5 will be on a art book cover
1. Asuna (SAO)
2. Yūki
3. Sinon (GGO)
4. Kirito (SAO)
5. Eugeo
The poll itself is to select the series' five most popular characters. The novels' artist abec will draw the winners for an upcoming art book cover.

Staff adjusted the poll after acknowledging that fraudulent voting must have taken place to get Kibaō in the #1 spot. He dropped down to #17 while the Sword Art Online version of Asuna regained her rightful place at the top. Voting continued until Saturday and Dengeki Bunko published the final winners. While Kibaō didn't recover his position, the joke served as legitimate advertising and he managed to make it #8, almost landing himself on the cover.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...lts-announced-kibao-still-makes-top-10/.95001
Full list is here: http://vote.dengekibunko.jp/sao/20151004/end.html
 

Canon

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You buy the show on Blu Ray or DVD (or part of said show since they tend to be separated into volumes) and it comes with an additional disc that is the OST.
That's going a bit far, given that a lot of these don't have western releases... and they cost a lot of money. Point is, I don't think they'd lose any money by selling their soundtrack. Other companies do fine; Hollywood movies certainly do, nobody buys the movie just for the soundtrack, and people who buy the soundtrack are hardcore enough to buy it without the movie -- but just because they bought the soundtrack doesn't mean they didn't also pay for a movie ticket, pay for the DVD, or streamed it on Netflix.
 
A random question that really troubles me lately...

Who would win in a fight, Monogatari's Shinobu or DIO?

I haven't seen all of Bakemonogatari, so I don't think I can really say, but my vote would still go out to DIO because of ZA WARUDO.

Honestly though, if DIO should fight anybody from the SHAFTverse, it should be Homura.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
Rightful place?

New thread rule: animenewsnetwork is a banned source for similar reasons the Daily Mail is.

Also who the heck is Eugeo.

Proper result:

1. The keys that were killed when they guy jumped off with them. (RIP)
2. Klein's Pizza (RIP)
3. Asuna's mother
4. Klein
4. That lady who tutted at Kirito and the detective in the cafe.
 

JulianImp

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I guess full power both of them. Za Warudo is OP but Kiss-Shot is pretty much a goddess. So I'm not sure.

Full-power Dio could theoretically stop time forever, but I guess KSAOHUB might survive even through that. Dio can't survive being hit by sunlight while Shinobu can, but he could avoid that by keeping time frozen forever, possibly creating an eternal standstill where Dio can't win but avoids losing forever.

From Shinobu's PoV it'd probably be like the fight started, and a split second later Dio had given up after realizing he couldn't possibly beat her.
 

Qurupeke

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Full-power Dio could theoretically stop time forever, but I guess KSAOHUB might survive even through that. Dio can't survive being hit by sunlight while Shinobu can, but he could avoid that by keeping time frozen forever, possibly creating an eternal standstill where Dio can't win but avoids losing forever.

From Shinobu's PoV it'd probably be like the fight started, and a split second later Dio had given up after realizing he couldn't possibly beat her.

I love this outcome.

I think it ended up being
me, DIO!

Nobody can resist the golden hair, the translucent alabaster skin and the dubious sensuality.
 
Rightful place?

New thread rule: animenewsnetwork is a banned source for similar reasons the Daily Mail is.

Also who the heck is Eugeo.

Proper result:

1. The keys that were killed when they guy jumped off with them. (RIP)
2. Klein's Pizza (RIP)
3. Asuna's mother
4. Klein
4. That lady who tutted at Kirito and the detective in the cafe.
But its the internet's most trusted source of anime news!
 

Conan-san

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35th Platoon
Jesus this is a fucking mess from all angles. The plot is rushed. The sound mixing is atrocious. Droped on the floor like an ugly baby.
 

Ascheroth

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Fafner 12

Huh, this is probably Placebo effect combined with the fact that the last episodes were a bit on the slower side, but I feel like it got suddenly more interesting.
The piloting altering the personality of the pilots - even drastically based on who it is - is interesting.
The fight was pretty cool. Mamoru was boss with his helmet that lookes like a Gundam head and his black Fafner with the Aegis system certainly looked the part.
Kazuki is arriving at a base of the Human Forces and I'm looking forward to see how this is going to play out.
 
Fafner 12

Huh, this is probably Placebo effect combined with the fact that the last episodes were a bit on the slower side, but I feel like it got suddenly more interesting.
The piloting altering the personality of the pilots - even drastically based on who it is - is interesting.
The fight was pretty cool. Mamoru was boss with his helmet that lookes like a Gundam head and his black Fafner with the Aegis system certainly looked the part.
Kazuki is arriving at a base of the Human Forces and I'm looking forward to see how this is going to play out.

Yeah, that's definitely where I felt it too. If I remember right, Tow Ubukata took over writing completely at this point, whereas the earlier episodes were already done and he didn't want to delay production by rewriting everything.

The altered personalities really bring Shoko's and Koyo's behaviors into a different light, looking back on it. And the Mark Funf is fantastic, easily my favorite Fafner.
 

Quasar

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Prison School (live action) 1-2 - So local streaming service animelab is streaming the Prison School live action show. And well its weird. Seeing this kind of story and dialog in live action form is a first for me. Seeing people act out these over the top characters and situations is just weird. And as usual the mise en scen looks totally fake. Thats one thing that always puts me off with asian dramas. I guess its just a factor of budget.
 
Speaking of character polls and people being wrong I found this site everyone has probably already messed around with two years ago! It lets you rank characters from shit and show off how much better taste you have then other lesser people. I did some for funsies but only selected the shows I actually watched -

Gainax/Trigger

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Shaft (I just did Monogatari)

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Hunter x Hunter

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Sunrise

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It is very accurate, these are all very Me lists. I mean look at that Hunter x Hunter one. That top 3 is exactly right! (but not in order) And that Gainax/Trigger one! Yes I agree myself, Ryuuko is bottom of the barrel, but not as bad as Tusk!

Also I am sure at least a few of these pictures were cropped porn.
 
tsukihi 14

...

at least kaiki is 1


tusk 86

If there were more characters to weed out she would have been higher no worries

Wait, someone actually likes Ging Freecss? He's more insufferable than his son.

I love Ging because he's an asshole and a great twist on the Shonen dad who always runs away from home yet it still portrayed as a lovable oaf. I also love the idea of him being the MC of the Dark Continent arc which will never happen
 
Gundam SEED 01-50

Had a small inking to rewatch this. It's the anime which got me into watching anime as a teen (after watching Gundam Wing as a kid) and now several years later as a fully fledged adult I decided to go through it again. I absolutely loved it back then but I came into this with knowledge of all the common complaints and expected to find it aged badly.

Fortunately, fine wine doesn't go off so easily and Gundam SEED is still an incredible series. SEED actually peggs itself as more of a character drama rather than a socio-political one like it's contemporaries. Turn A was about the mankind's long history of war, Wing is about Pacifism, 00 considers Peacekeeping via force. But Gundam SEED glosses over the cause of the war and even it's title of SEED references a minor plot point which is easily ignored. SEED is a drama about (well for the first 2/3 at least) young people set amidst a earth/space war.

Like the original MSG, SEED has our teenage protagonist thrown onto the "Earth" side of the war. which would naturally be seen as the "good" side. SEED quickly throws a wrench into that by introducing Athrun Zala, who helps us to humanise and understand the "enemies", especially in relation to the Coordinator/Natural divide and the nuclear attack on Junius Seven. And again this use of nuclear weapons is not even trotted out in the typical Japanese fashion, it's main focus comes in relation to the effect it has on the characters, and how it has shaped the various motivations. The politics of the action is barely recognised. And I think thats where some criticism can lie, but SEED isn't trying to be that kind of show. Kira's joining of the Earth forces is constantly talked about as being a "betrayal" which is very emotive and personal language again further shows how actions are portrayed in a particular lens. Athrun being on the other side continuosly requests that Kira join the correct side and the "evil" actions we see are all seen in the light of how it effects the living. The words war-crime is never used and even when an antagonist commits a serious one, it's significance is noted solely in terms to how it affects Kira.

And one of the best parts of the drama is outside of the battlefield with the relationship between Flay and Kira. Flay is initially Sai's boyfriend and isn't particularly fond of co-ordinators as they are the enemy. This is an obvious parallel to racism and particularly reminds me of the Israel-Palestine conflict which involves two groups of people who often must live amongst each other whilst their representative nations are at war, and how the line between an enemy combatant and a person merely belonging to the same national identity can become very easily blurred when emotions flare. With Flay being this kind of person and her words being so undeniably ostracising, the next event between the two is what really elevates Gundam SEED above it's peers when it comes to the depiction of close personal relationships. Flay's father is killed and despite her hatred of co-ordinators she decides that her best way to survive is to ensnare Kira so that, in order to protect her, he fights as hard as he can to kill other coordinators. My words do not do not do the justice that is done in the masterful way the show blends the stress of the continuous battles with the logical and manipulative way that Flay manipulates Kira using his guilt and sense of responsibility. Flay's post coitus evil laugh is mixed in with tears to show the emotional turmoil the entire situation has put her in. And when Sai finds out he is utterly powerless to do anything but cry. And that's one thing I love about about this show, the amount of crying. All Gundam shows have young people thrust into a war, but none of them seem to take as much time as SEED does to constantly look at the effects it has on people individually. Pretty much every character is shown shedding tears at some point.

The show does start to get more political (and introduce unnecessary & silly plotlines) as it goes on, but I think the choices made in the beginning pay off in getting you emotionally invested in the characters. By the time people start blathering on about "who is it that we should really be fighting" you are already hooked.

Mobile Suit Gundam SEED
10/10
Has issues and missteps but this is undeniably one of the best shows in the Gundam universe.
 
I love Ging because he's an asshole and a great twist on the Shonen dad who always runs away from home yet it still portrayed as a lovable oaf. I also love the idea of him being the MC of the Dark Continent arc which will never happen

But isn't he still sort of portrayed like that? I mean I guess towards the ending of the 2011 adaptation the characters themselves pointed his problems out but it seemed to be used mostly for comedic effect and the show itself still portrayed it in this "...but c'mon, he's still actually a great guy!" sort of way.

But maybe I'm just not recalling it that well.

Perhaps Gon's more insufferable after all, idolizing his dad and not even wasting a thought on his mother.
 
Speaking of character polls and people being wrong I found this site everyone has probably already messed around with two years ago! It lets you rank characters from shit and show off how much better taste you have then other lesser people. I did some for funsies but only selected the shows I actually watched - .

Pokkle, Killua, Fietan, and Shalnark not in the top 10. Bad list confirmed.
 

ibyea

Banned
Wait, someone actually likes Ging Freecss? He's more insufferable than his son.

Yeah I hated that guy. He is a, as my brother colorfully put it, a degenerate piece of shit. The only way he interacts with his son is by giving him tests while in the background.
 
Sunrise top 2 is correct.

I knew you would understand

But isn't he still sort of portrayed like that? I mean I guess towards the ending of the 2011 adaptation the characters themselves pointed his problems out but it seemed to be used mostly for comedic effect and the show itself still portrayed it in this "...but c'mon, he's still actually a great guy!" sort of way.

But maybe I'm just not recalling it that well.

Perhaps Gon's more insufferable after all, idolizing his dad and not even wasting a thought on his mother.

Yeah I hated that guy. He is a, as my brother colorfully put it, a degenerate piece of shit. The only way he interacts with his son is by giving him tests while in the background.

Nah you are totally supposed to hate him, not even in the Ice Cube love to hate way. He's just a dick, but I can respect that. Same with Gendo.

Pokkle, Killua, Fietan, and Shalnark not in the top 10. Bad list confirmed.

I really want to see your lists
 

pbayne

Member
Sunrise List 9- Fucking Amuro Ray

Why does Japan love Amuro? I can't wrap my head around it. He constantly bitches and moans about everything. Even when people compliment him he finds some way to cry about it. What is the charm/appeal of his character? I know he gets a little bit better in Zeta but he's still insufferable.

Also Kilua not in top ten of HxH is a sin.
 
Sunrise List 9- Fucking Amuro Ray

Why does Japan love Amuro? I can't wrap my head around it. He constantly bitches and moans about everything. Even when people compliment him he finds some way to cry about it. What is the charm/appeal of his character? I know he gets a little bit better in Zeta but he's still insufferable.

Also Kilua not in top ten of HxH is a sin.

Because a character with flaws that goes through character development and matures is a good character?
 
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