Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught
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MIA for now, we know she makes it into the Secret Wars though.
Manmademan
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nothing about this event makes any sense. don't think too hard about it
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
apparently from the time skips cyclops doesn't care what the mutant has done they will get amnesty and succor with him. At least thats what I assumed his deal was based on how beast was able to go there freely and none of the other illuminati.
Also yeah cyclops was more extreme but he's been sliding down that villain slope for a while now.
Also evan is apocalypse (no denying it now) and the "axis of evil" threw him under the bus so it makes sense in a way too.
Lastly I have a feeling that the whereabout of Wasp and handling Havok is going to be a major part of the next uncanny avengers.... Its the only storyline I could see remender going into after Axis.
Supermanisdead
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Cyclops was inverted, but his inversion just made him more extreme. He should have been inverted into a human loving yes-man like pre-AXIS Havok.
exmachina64
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I stopped with Axis #7; I just couldn't be bothered to finish the goddamn series.
Manmademan
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pretty much. Everyone else went "evil", cyclops just turned the asshole dial from 10 to 11.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
the only caveat is the fact that some characters were able to reverse the inversion through acts of will..... Cyclops is number 2 at that only behind cap..... so maybe he should of been a yes man but his inner asshole won through....early
Its crazy most event series suffer from having too many tie ins and this one suffers because they didn't bother to explain wtf was going on with everyone during the event like they normally do.
Supermanisdead
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You know what I miss, when mutants used to call humans "flatscans"
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Steve wasn't inverted though. And no one became good again through will.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
If you read Deadpool from a few weeks ago, you'll see that the inversion isn't as simple as flipping personalities, but rather which 'inner voice' is stronger. It's why the Evan-apocalypse part works, especially after Deadpool's monologues.
And if you read Deadpool's issue this week, you'll see that some part of Evan's personality was holding Apocalypse back.
Not to mention the Cap vs Falcon fight where Falcon paused briefly.
And if you read Deadpool's issue this week, you'll see that some part of Evan's personality was holding Apocalypse back.
Not to mention the Cap vs Falcon fight where Falcon paused briefly.
googleplex
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Totally agree. Both have been great. Also All-new X-men has the only incarnation of Jean Grey I don't despise
MHWilliams
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Axis was bad from beginning to end.
Ah, well. I'll enjoy Sabretooth Wolverine and asshole Iron Man for awhile.
Ah, well. I'll enjoy Sabretooth Wolverine and asshole Iron Man for awhile.
The Doom thing is going to be covered in Uncanny Avengers.
I'm personally not a fan of how Bendis writes his ongoings these days. He stretches stuff out far too long and "bendis-speak" can get kinda eh at times.
AH okay, yeah. Sorry, this is the kind of comic book that makes you forget what happens a page before. And I dropped Deadpool after he got married.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
is it wrong that I want Sabretooth Wolverine and asshole Iron Man to stay long term?
MHWilliams
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Think of this like Fear Itself: it's a relatively contained story - AXIS is to Uncanny Avengers as Fear Itself was to Thor - blown up into an event.
Deadpool is easily one of the best comics out right now
Everything Duggan is writing right now is gold IMO.
Coffee Dog
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Deadpool is easily one of the best comics out right now
Yeah. Deadpool is easily my favorite marvel book at the moment. If it maintains quality it might be my favorite run on the character.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Yeah, duggan is a champ. Every book he's writing ranges from (imo) decent (hulk) to downright fantastic (deadpool)
And man, he managed to turn Sam Nova into a fun kids comic. And that's great.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
but...asshole iron man is long term...
and sabertooth on redemption street is is dope. hopefully well get a rogue xmen like run out of him
Manmademan
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Carnage is showing up in Nova to bother Sam for reasons that make no sense.
exmachina64
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You'll like what Marvel tells you to like!
But nobody cares about Darkhawk
NeonZ
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And they bother showing Evans/Apocalypse fighting against the reversion, while everything New Cap manages to do is hesitating for one panel. This whole event just makes him look bad in every book but his own solo.
Of course, there's also his appearances in Avengers/New Avengers, but there he's just Steve's yes man anyway. And old man Steve was even
making Falcon even more pointless.
Of course, there's also his appearances in Avengers/New Avengers, but there he's just Steve's yes man anyway. And old man Steve was even
fighting without problems in the newest issue (maybe he recovered the super soldier serum, but just didn't become young again?)
Manmademan
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I actually went back and read NA again just to check, and sure enough....
fighting is one thing, but decking TWO shang chi's with each hand is just...what
I actually went back and read NA again just to check, and sure enough....
fighting is one thing, but decking TWO shang chi's with each hand is just...what
Well he was taking down super soliders when Geist removed the SSS from his body.
Memento Mori
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Did anyone actually tell Cyclops that Havok wasn't reverted?
Manmademan
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he wasn't physically 90 years old then. And that's Shang Chi. TWO OF HIM. edit: keep in mind that
old man steve WITH the power suit was getting dominated by Falcon in Axis 09. One shang chi should wreck him. TWO would obliterate him.
Cyclops wouldn't really care. He's currently trying to weaponize an omega mutant in uncanny. If an inverted havok gets him what he wants, he'll take an inverted havok.
crimsonspider89
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Yeah Steve got the SSS back in 8 months later
Manmademan
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but yet, he's still 90?
crimsonspider89
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Yep. Still 90. He became 90 because he lost the SSS after spending time with Ian in Dimension Z.
ANd the damage is already done so he still is 90 but just SSS amped up old man.
ANd the damage is already done so he still is 90 but just SSS amped up old man.
Didn't he lose the SSS because some nail villian guy drained it out of him?
crimsonspider89
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Yeah but he aged to 90 due to Dimension Z and lacking the SSS.
It went Dimension Z- drained and puff got old cripple. And in the 8 month later he gets the SSS back and now you get super old man.
It went Dimension Z- drained and puff got old cripple. And in the 8 month later he gets the SSS back and now you get super old man.
Manmademan
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That's nonsensical. Dimension Z didn't age cap at all, and he was only there for 10 years. It was established at the end of that arc that cap DOESN'T age because of the SSS.
This isn't even the first time that's come up, sersi said the same thing when competing for cap back in the 90s with Diamondback.
It was fighting the iron nail long AFTER that that cap got hit with his tentacles and drained. Losing the SSS and aging decades in a couple of pages.
crimsonspider89
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Yes he aged to the extent becasue of Dimension Z.
Alright here is what happened:
He spent 10 years and didn't age cause of SSS. When Iron Nail drained the SSS from him, he aged to 90 due to the lack of the SSS and his experience in Dimension Z.
And he gains the SSS back but it doesn't unage him in the 8 months later.
Alright here is what happened:
He spent 10 years and didn't age cause of SSS. When Iron Nail drained the SSS from him, he aged to 90 due to the lack of the SSS and his experience in Dimension Z.
And he gains the SSS back but it doesn't unage him in the 8 months later.
Comics.
Manmademan
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The SSS has been keeping him from aging since WW2. Dimension Z has nothing to do with it. Steve Rogers was born in 1920. Physically he should be 96-106 years old. THAT'S why he looks like he's 90, not dimension Z.
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It has something to do with it in the sense it added ten extra years to his aging when the serum was drained.
Manmademan
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if we ignore dimension Z, rogers is still 96 years old. with it, he's 106. the extra ten years aren't really all that relevant when we ask "why is he old as hell now."
Obviously, even at 96 rogers is in ridiculous shape for that age, but we're talking about someone who trained extensively every day of his life (edit: well, after taking the serum in the 1940s) plus this is comics. there are probably 200 year old kung fu masters around still whipping ass through force of will.
Ein Bear
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I don't understand why Steve Rogers is old without the serum. Sure, he's chronologicaly 90-odd, but he spent most of that time in suspended animation. It's not like he's been active for decades, nobody even knew he didn't age normally until after his stint in Dimension Z - at worse the guy should look 45 or something.
Manmademan
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Steve is old because the serum was what was keeping him alive/young during all that time in the ice. how do we know this? marvel time.
Originally, steve was frozen in 1945, and emerged in 1964 in the early issues of Avengers. Marvel time has consistently bumped this date up- right now that event happened not in 1964, but somewhere between 1994 and 1999. (about 15-20 years).
Worst case scenario, if his aging TOTALLY stopped due to the ice putting him in suspended animation (instead of the serum doing whatever it does), Rogers would only be 55. 25 when he disappeared in WW2, about 20 years (worst case) active in the current marvel universe, and another 10 in dimension Z. 55 is where nick fury is/was- he'd be old, but not completely geriatric. And steve trains WAY more than nick fury ever did.
And as I mentioned before, Dimension Z is not the first time "steve doesn't age" has come up. Sersi mentioned it before back in the 1990s. so it was established, just not common knowledge.
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