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[Manmademan]

I don't get it, at what point was it established that he got the serum back in Eight Months Later?

it wasn't. some people are hypothesizing based on a questionable fight scene in new avengers.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but its not likely- especially when we know that steve is still an old ass man. they're not going to leave him that way (obviously) so reversing that would mean they need two separate explanations for getting the serum back AND THEN de-aging him, instead of eventually regaining the serum and taking care of both.

not that stupid, overly complicated solutions to problems haven't come up before (*cough*doom*cough*) but it's not all that likely.

 

[SRG01]

I'd like to think Steve is a badass with or without the serum.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Event has wiped out my desire to continue reading Marvel comics. Superior Foes of Spider-Man and New Warriors ending in the same period also helped. Remender reaching Bendis event levels of bad (but thankfully not Loeb).

Universe reboot can't come soon enough. The interconnected Marvel Universe is a fucking mess. Only books like Punisher, Ms Marvel et al can achieve quality because writers aren't chained to endless shit events perpetrated by the shit 'senior' writers.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Even if there's a reboot, no way it's not going to be an interconnected universe.

 

[Manmademan]

I'd like to think Steve is a badass with or without the serum.

well that goes without saying. he's done it before. He's just not "kicking the ass of two shang-chi's" badass.

Event has wiped out my desire to continue reading Marvel comics. Superior Foes of Spider-Man and New Warriors ending in the same period also helped. Remender reaching Bendis event levels of bad (but thankfully not Loeb).

Universe reboot can't come soon enough. The interconnected Marvel Universe is a fucking mess. Only books like Punisher, Ms Marvel et al can achieve quality because writers aren't chained to endless shit events perpetrated by the shit 'senior' writers.

oh come on now. That's like dropping marvel because "Fear itself" was trash. Different writers have different ideas, and AXIS was unusual because is was a festering cesspool in the middle of some very strong arcs going on in other books like superior foes, uncanny xmen, spider verse, and avengers/new avengers.

edit: and all rumors have pointed to "no reboot", by the way. something will happen, but a reboot isn't one of them.

Even if there's a reboot, no way it's not going to be an interconnected universe.

LOL at this. you think marvel is going out of its way to connect it's new movie properties because that strategy DOESNT work? Everything they've ever done says the opposite.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Even if there's a reboot, no way it's not going to be an interconnected universe.

Unless its one big shit fake-out, events of recent years are pointing towards there being no more multiple realities, no more time travel, just a cold hard slate clean.

While I'm not a fan of how DC did it, Marvel's shit is so fucked at this point that most would welcome it. It'd be great if a lot of the old phoning it in writers also moved on and weren't allowed to steer the freshly painted ship into more fucking naval mines and lava.

 

[fertygo]

I actually went back and read NA again just to check, and sure enough....

fighting is one thing, but decking TWO shang chi's with each hand is just...what

LMAO

Its really hard to give a shit to Marvel non small-scale book right now.

 

[googleplex]

Cyclops wouldn't really care. He's currently trying to weaponize an omega mutant in uncanny. If an inverted havok gets him what he wants, he'll take an inverted havok.

He's not doing anything of the sort. Marvel is being really wierd with Cyclops. They keep saying hows he doing bad, underhanded stuff but never shows him doing anything but being right most of the time.

 

[Parallax]

Unless its one big shit fake-out, events of recent years are pointing towards there being no more multiple realities, no more time travel, just a cold hard slate clean.

While I'm not a fan of how DC did it, Marvel's shit is so fucked at this point that most would welcome it. It'd be great if a lot of the old phoning it in writers also moved on and weren't allowed to steer the freshly painted ship into more fucking naval mines and lava.

the multiverse will continue. marvel isnt folding its movie division into comics, same with its animation department. the multiverse will continue on. and i dont see a reboot either. a few new readers over the course of isolating old ones isnt a reality im sure they want to face

 

[pulga]

I'd like to think Steve is a dumbass with or without the serum.

Fixed, for greater accuracy.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Cyclops is not doing anything evil. He's trying to help this overpowered mutant deal with his crazy powers. He accepted Havok into his school because Havok is his brother.

 

[Parallax]

He's not doing anything of the sort. Marvel is being really wierd with Cyclops. They keep saying hows he doing bad, underhanded stuff but never shows him doing anything but being right most of the time.

except thats exactly what theyve shown him doing. convincing an omega plus to do whatever it takes for the sakes of mutant kind sure sounds like making someone a weapon to me. scott is gone right now.

 

[pulga]

except thats exactly what theyve shown him doing. convincing an omega plus to do whatever it takes for the sakes of mutant kind sure sounds like making someone a weapon to me. scott is gone right now.

How the hell is that any different from what Xavier used to do?

 

[googleplex]

Cyclops is not doing anything evil. He's trying to help this overpowered mutant deal with his crazy powers. He accepted Havok into his school because Havok is his brother.

Tell that to the X-Men at the Jean Grey school. They keep treating him like utter trash despite the fact that he seems to save thier asses ever other issue.

 

[Manmademan]

except thats exactly what theyve shown him doing. convincing an omega plus to do whatever it takes for the sakes of mutant kind sure sounds like making someone a weapon to me. scott is gone right now.

exactly.

Cyclops is convincing this new mutant to help him take what mutants are owed because Xavier's dream is dead. If this isn't weaponizing, I don't know what is. Cyclops is an advocate of rising up and overthrowing non mutants, and this is BEFORE Axis.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Unless its one big shit fake-out, events of recent years are pointing towards there being no more multiple realities, no more time travel, just a cold hard slate clean.

While I'm not a fan of how DC did it, Marvel's shit is so fucked at this point that most would welcome it. It'd be great if a lot of the old phoning it in writers also moved on and weren't allowed to steer the freshly painted ship into more fucking naval mines and lava.

Multiverse may very well be gone and time travel has indeed been a massive crutch especially lately, but beyond that I don't see them not having crossovers within the main universe if they do get rid of those things.

 

[B-Dubs]

He's not doing anything of the sort. Marvel is being really wierd with Cyclops. They keep saying hows he doing bad, underhanded stuff but never shows him doing anything but being right most of the time.

He's spent like every issue since AvX started being right. Marvel's doing a shitty job of making him an anti-villain or whatever the fuck they're trying to do.

Tell that to the X-Men at the Jean Grey school. They keep treating him like utter trash despite the fact that he seems to save thier asses ever other issue.

They're just salty as fuck.

exactly.

Cyclops is convincing this new mutant to help him take what mutants are owed because Xavier's dream is dead. If this isn't weaponizing, I don't know what is. Cyclops is an advocate of rising up and overthrowing non mutants, and this is BEFORE Axis.

Man just wants to help the world and the world won't let him. Normal people are being super shitty when it comes to mutants and the elected officials aren't helping either, someone needs to smack some sense into them. If Scott gets this guy on his side and then they can do some real good. If it works he's proven right and the average mutant hating schmuck looks like an assface. Well, even more like an assface.

 

[googleplex]

except thats exactly what theyve shown him doing. convincing an omega plus to do whatever it takes for the sakes of mutant kind sure sounds like making someone a weapon to me. scott is gone right now.

Then you've read a different comic then me. Because the one I read just had Cyclop is just trying to convince the kid that his powers "are a blessing" and they he can "do good for the world" despite the people he killed by accident.

He never even mention fighting. In fact he's doing the exact opposite. He's just talking to the guy. Everyone else is just fucking it up.

Cyclops is right.

 

[Manmademan]

Then you've read a different comic then me. Because the one I read just had Cyclop is just trying to convince the kid that his powers "are a blessing" and they he can "do good for the world" despite the people he killed by accident.

He never even mention fighting. In fact he's doing the exact opposite. He's just talking to the guy. Everyone else is just fucking it up.

Cyclops is right.

wrong.

scott is going to take this dude, train him, and use him to take what mutants are owed, and scare the hell out of whoever he needs to to make sure he gets it. This is not Xavier's dream here, and even magneto is saying he's going too far as of the end of the issue.

Man just wants to help the world and the world won't let him. Normal people are being super shitty when it comes to mutants and the elected officials aren't helping either, someone needs to smack some sense into them. If Scott gets this guy on his side and then they can do some real good. If it works he's proven right and the average mutant hating schmuck looks like an assface. Well, even more like an assface.

no argument there. Scott is right, but being right here means he's willing and able to do some really shitty things. This isn't the 90s, and Scott isn't a boyscout.

 

[googleplex]

exactly.

Cyclops is convincing this new mutant to help him take what mutants are owed because Xavier's dream is dead. If this isn't weaponizing, I don't know what is. Cyclops is an advocate of rising up and overthrowing non mutants, and this is BEFORE Axis.

He has never once talked about over throwing evenone. Stop making stuff up. But Scott is done letting people walk all over and abuse mutants.

Again nothing he's saying us wrong.

 

[B-Dubs]

wrong.

That doesn't look like weaponizing, that looks like a dude telling another dude he can help a whole lot of people and change some real shit if they team up. I dunno what book you're reading.

 

[DeathyBoy]

That doesn't look like weaponizing, that looks like a dude telling another dude he can help a whole lot of people and change some real shit if they team up. I dunno what book you're reading.

Joy of Cyclops is both avenues work equally well.

There is no way you, or anyone else, can seriously say he's not got seventy plans running at the same time. The guy had more than 26 ideas for taking down Fear Itself Juggernaut, and laughed at the Mayor of SF when she asked him about them, saying he's not limited by the alphabet.

#Cyclopswasisandalwayswillberight

 

[Parallax]

are you guys being serious with this?

 

[Supermanisdead]

Cyclops is one of the last honest heroes in Marvel comics right now. He puts his cards on the table for everyone to see. If you got a problem with mutants, he's got a problem with you. That's all. He's sick of humans walking all over mutants and if finally standing up for himself makes him a "villain," then lol.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

are you guys being serious with this?

Cyclops fanboys are the new NuBlacks

 

[DeathyBoy]

Cyclops fanboys are the new NuBlacks

 

[NeonZ]

it wasn't. some people are hypothesizing based on a questionable fight scene in new avengers.

It's not just his fighting scene there, he looks much more toned/muscular in Avengers/New Avengers than in his appearances in any other books. It could be just an artist issue, but that fighting scene now seems to be making it more and more likely that he really has the serum back. But, yes, it's not confirmed at all.

 

[Manmademan]

He has never once talked about over throwing evenone. Stop making stuff up. But Scott is done letting people walk all over and abuse mutants.

Again nothing he's saying us wrong.

so when Scott says flat out that "Xavier was wrong" and then "we have asked for our place, begged for it, fought for it, and suffered for it, and now we have to TAKE it because nothing else works"

you think he ISN'T talking about fighting?

The people he is talking about "scaring the hell out of" are the Avengers and SHIELD. What exactly would "scare" an organization that can deploy the goddamn Hulk? We know they set up X-nation 8 months from now and neither one of those organizations can go anywhere near it. You think the US government just lets scott summers have a vast chunk of the united states out of the kindness of their souls?

you're blind if you don't understand what scott is talking about here.

 

[Parallax]

Cyclops fanboys are the new NuBlacks

not yet. they have to say they dont read comics, then say scott is right to be on that NuBlack tip

He has never once talked about over throwing evenone. Stop making stuff up. But Scott is done letting people walk all over and abuse mutants.

Again nothing he's saying us wrong.

so if he isnt fighting, then what is he planning on doing?

 

[ElNarez]

Two words: Adamantium Sentinels. If you don't think Adamantium Sentinels are worthy of being Cyclops-level mad at the world and doing whatever it takes to be able to be able to live in peace, come on now.

Cyclops haters would cheer at another goddamn Genosha. Y'all SCARE me.

 

[ZoddGutts]

Can't wait for the reboot and Mutants getting their own world to be in so that I can ignore their shit easier. Let them keep Scarlet Witch as well.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Nobody knows the events that led to X-Nation. Hell, Kitty Pryde and a bunch of 16 year olds convinced the US government to give them Utah as their own mutant state in Ultimate X-Men. I'm sure Cyclops could reach some kind of deal.

 

[Parallax]

Two words: Adamantium Sentinels. If you don't think Adamantium Sentinels are worthy of being Cyclops-level mad at the world and doing whatever it takes to be able to be able to live in peace, come on now.

Cyclops haters would cheer at another goddamn Genosha. Y'all SCARE me.

not even. you can call out fuck awful shit that tony stark is CONSTANTLY doing(the fact that they still refer to him as a hero after all this time is mind boggling) and still think this is fucked.

 

[googleplex]

Joy of Cyclops is both avenues work equally well.

There is no way you, or anyone else, can seriously say he's not got seventy plans running at the same time. The guy had more than 26 ideas for taking down Fear Itself Juggernaut, and laughed at the Mayor of SF when she asked him about them, saying he's not limited by the alphabet.

#Cyclopswasisandalwayswillberight

Cyclops on international TV : "And to our human allies, we feel your love and we fight for you too.

The Avengers, Shield and X-Men: "OMG Cyclops is evil!"

Cyclops and his team comes in and saves the Jean Grey school from sentinels and stops dark beast from blowing it up

X-MEN: "Fuck you Scott nobody's likes you!"

At this point I'm not sure why Cyclops keeps saving their asses.

 

[Supermanisdead]

SHIELD had sentinels that were hijacked to attack the X-Men. Tony Stark built adamantium sentinels in his spare time. There are dozens of terrorist organizations and governments of the world with similar mutant killing machines. Predator X's are still running around in the world. Mutants are still being kidnapped and harvested for MGH.

But no, Cyclops telling this kid that they deserve to live in peace is crossing the line. Weaponizing! Danger! Mutant menace! Lol.

 

[pulga]

Everyone hating Cyclops for accidentally killing Xavier is just lazy ass Marvel manufacturing drama.

How many did Phoenix kill? She was forgiven anyway. How many has Wolverine murdered? And he's the hypocrite on the highest horse.

 

[Manmademan]

Nobody knows the events that led to X-Nation. Hell, Kitty Pryde and a bunch of 16 year olds convinced the US government to give them Utah as their own mutant state in Ultimate X-Men. I'm sure Cyclops could reach some kind of deal.

The same cyclops that shield has been trying to kill for the last 20 issues or so of uncanny? that cyclops? the one that (huge spoiler)

Spoiler

they just nuked to death in the current issue?

SHIELD had sentinels that were hijacked to attack the X-Men. Tony Stark built adamantium sentinels in his spare time. There are dozens of terrorist organizations and governments of the world with similar mutant killing machines. Predator X's are still running around in the world. Mutants are still being kidnapped and harvested for MGH.

But no, Cyclops telling this kid that they deserve to live in peace is crossing the line. Weaponizing! Danger! Mutant menace! Lol.

you misunderstand me. All those things are accurate, and cyclops is completely correct. What is ALSO correct is that Scott Summers advocates revolution and violent overthrow to get that peace if necessary, and he most definitely intends to train that mutant and turn him into a weapon if that's what works.

 

[Parallax]

SHIELD had sentinels that were hijacked to attack the X-Men. Tony Stark built adamantium sentinels in his spare time. There are dozens of terrorist organizations and governments of the world with similar mutant killing machines. Predator X's are still running around in the world. Mutants are still being kidnapped and harvested for MGH.

But no, Cyclops telling this kid that they deserve to live in peace is crossing the line. Weaponizing! Danger! Mutant menace! Lol.

you guys are talking like hes telling this to evan or some other kid with power. this guy is an unstable cosmic nuke. like wanda. and we all know that a little nudge was all it took for her to go off the deep end.

 

[googleplex]

so when Scott says flat out that "Xavier was wrong" and then "we have asked for our place, begged for it, fought for it, and suffered for it, and now we have to TAKE it because nothing else works"

you think he ISN'T talking about fighting?

The people he is talking about "scaring the hell out of" are the Avengers and SHIELD. What exactly would "scare" an organization that can deploy the goddamn Hulk? We know they set up X-nation 8 months from now and neither one of those organizations can go anywhere near it. You think the US government just lets scott summers have a vast chunk of the united states out of the kindness of their souls?

you're blind if you don't understand what scott is talking about here.

Both you and, Marvel needs to stop Telling me how bad and dangerous Scott and and Show me him actually doing something bad and evil. If the only thing Cyclops is doing is being logical, saving people and coming to the rescue of people that are spitting in his face then what the hell else I'm i supposed to think about Cyclops.

 

[Parallax]

Everyone hating Cyclops for accidentally killing Xavier is just lazy ass Marvel manufacturing drama.

How many did Phoenix kill? She was forgiven anyway. How many has Wolverine murdered? And he's the hypocrite on the highest horse.

no, not really. hes killed a lot, but he at least takes responsibility that hes fucked up. he knows hes a killer, and has never denied that. jean had responsibility taken from her. and scotts still mentally dealing with the fallout of charles being dead by his hands.

 

[Supermanisdead]

The same cyclops that shield has been trying to kill for the last 20 issues or so of uncanny? that cyclops? the one that (huge spoiler)

Spoiler

they just nuked to death in the current issue?

Spoiler

And when the super powerful kid with godlike powers responds by blowing up the helicarrier, I'm sure mutants will become menace #1 again. Cyclops was just trying to prevent this. If this leads to them finally telling humans to fuck off and not mess with them, more power to them.

you guys are talking like hes telling this to evan or some other kid with power. this guy is an unstable cosmic nuke. like wanda. and we all know that a little nudge was all it took for her to go off the deep end.

And yet nobody is lining up to blow her out of the sky. Except of course the people she decimated.

 

[googleplex]

SHIELD had sentinels that were hijacked to attack the X-Men. Tony Stark built adamantium sentinels in his spare time. There are dozens of terrorist organizations and governments of the world with similar mutant killing machines. Predator X's are still running around in the world. Mutants are still being kidnapped and harvested for MGH.

But no, Cyclops telling this kid that they deserve to live in peace is crossing the line. Weaponizing! Danger! Mutant menace! Lol.

The fact that any nation or government is spending billions and billions of dollars building shit to specifically kill mutants should tell you all you need to know about the world Cyclops lives in. Scott has just run out of fucks to give. He's not asking or begging to be left in peace anymore. You fuck with Mutants and he fucks your shit up. Period.

Cyclops is Right

 

[googleplex]

Spoiler

And when the super powerful kid with godlike powers responds by blowing up the helicarrier, I'm sure mutants will become menace #1 again. Cyclops was just trying to prevent this. If this leads to them finally telling humans to fuck off and not mess with them, more power to them.

And yet nobody is lining up to blow her out of the sky. Except of course the people she decimated.

The funnest thing about that scene where that kid blew up the Helicarrier. Storm got knocked out and was falling to her death and Scott was the one that saved her. This right after Storm was being a raving bitch to him.

 

[Manmademan]

Both you and, Marvel needs to stop Telling me how bad and dangerous Scott and and Show me him actually doing something bad and evil. If the only thing Cyclops is doing is being logical, saving people and coming to the rescue of people that are spitting in his face then what the hell else I'm i supposed to think about Cyclops.

Shield apparently thinks he's dangerous enough that

Spoiler

they nuked him, that mutant, magik, AND devil's rock off the face of the earth. As of this point, Scott is dead.

cyclops flat out says "Xavier was wrong", and Xavier's dream was peaceful coexistence. what exactly do you think scott is talking about here? no one is that thick.

Spoiler

And when the super powerful kid with godlike powers responds by blowing up the helicarrier, I'm sure mutants will become menace #1 again. Cyclops was just trying to prevent this. If this leads to them finally telling humans to fuck off and not mess with them, more power to them.

Spoiler

the kid is dead.

 

[Parallax]

And yet nobody is lining up to blow her out of the sky. Except of course the people she decimated.

those decimated people also sent their depowered people to die. those decimated people have their own unsightly kind living in sewers not bothering to help them. noone comes out of this smelling like roses straight up

 

[Supermanisdead]

Xavier was wrong, I'm sorry. Xavier's attempt at peaceful coexistence just didn't work. The Morlocks knew it when they moved into the sewers, Magneto knew it when he led all the mutants to Genosha and Cyclops knew it when he moved the 198 to Utopia. Humans or other factions are always going to go after the mutants. It's about time they showed the world not to fuck with them anymore.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I lol thinking about the Morlocks living in that tunnel. Claremont had to come up with some "oh no, we're all really PROUD of being underground, this is our home" kinda shit, cuz if the X-Men would have asked to come up, Charles went've been like "get these ugly ass mothafuckas out my mansion"

 

[pulga]

Xavier was wrong, I'm sorry. Xavier's attempt at peaceful coexistence just didn't work. The Morlocks knew it when they moved into the sewers, Magneto knew it when he led all the mutants to Genosha and Cyclops knew it when he moved the 198 to Utopia. Humans or other factions are always going to go after the mutants. It's about time they showed the world not to fuck with them anymore.

And here lies the biggest problem with the Marvel Universe:

Why are superpowered humans okay and mutants are the scum of the Earth? It's just a tired, pointless race-story beat in this day and age.

 

[googleplex]

Shield apparently thinks he's dangerous enough that

Spoiler

they nuked him,

Spoiler

that mutant, magik, AND devil's rock off the face of the earth. As of this point, Scott is dead.

No one should set their moral compass by what shield does. Cyclops tried to convince them how to deal with this kid and they and the X-men told him to shut up and go sit in a corner. Of course turns out Cyclops was right about how to approach him all along.

cyclops flat out says "Xavier was wrong", and Xavier's dream was peaceful coexistence. what exactly do you think scott is talking about here? no one is that thick.

That's because Xavier was wrong, about a great many things. Xavier himself has said this many times.

 

[Parallax]

I lol thinking about the Morlocks living in that tunnel. Claremont had to come up with some "oh no, we're all really PROUD of being underground, this is our home" kinda shit, cuz if the X-Men would have asked to come up, Charles went've been like "get these ugly ass mothafuckas out my mansion"

cyclops is part two of that shit. he doesnt give a shit about morlocks either.