Read today's Magneto tie-in and it felt like it was delayed and should have come out weeks ago at the end of the first arc.
Was this the issue with Doom and Valeria?
Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught
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Manmademan
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it was one of the ones with doom and valeria. Doom is barely in this one, it's almost all a valeria issue, and it's great.
This is the last time you will hear me refer to anything about axis as "great."
crimsonspider89
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Nah we still get to see Wanda's army vs the f listers. Also are you not reading Carnage mini? Shit is great.
Manmademan
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the character doesn't do anything for me, so I'm skipping it. Generally with events I tend to ignore tie-in books, and it's usually the best call.
heard hobgoblin was fun, but there are only so many hours in the day.
crimsonspider89
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The big deal is AXIS is really Rick Remender doing a big meta commentary. How the x fans have went all isolationist, how hulk writers been making edgier hulk personas and so forth including how nuNova is so great when he isn't.
crimsonspider89
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Also was stated in Deadpool that all of the JGS was at Genosha as was Jeen. So not much left.
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illegal immigrants are stealing our air
That is actually a good way of looking at it.
Memento Mori
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Jean was on Genosha but she was the only member of the O5 I remember being there.
Manmademan
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I had to hunt for this one to make sure I wasn't going crazy. Jean shows up for one panel in Axis #1 when the X-men arrive.
She's ENTIRELY absent from Axis 002 and Axis 003- doesn't even appear in the cast listing. Shows up again in Axis 004 standing around on stage.
None of the other O5 show up here, which is...???
Tyrant Rave
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Carnage-Man is the highlight of the event so far
Better keep your promise, Pete.
Supermanisdead
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No joke, but this might be the worst Marvel event since Necrosha-X. It pains me to even think about it.
Fear Itself tho.
echoshifting
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Yeah. Yup. This.
Supermanisdead
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Fear Itself had some good tie-ins at least. Everything about this event's tie-ins centres on the main ~good is bad and bad is good~ gimmick that is just all around embarrassing. Like, a 4 year old could have come up with this whole event and probably had less gaping plot holes.
Manmademan
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I am sadly still reading this.
I did post in another thread that I thought the last issue (Axis 8) was actually a good read. things seem to be heading towards a plausible end game, there are some neat cameos, and that last page was just amazing.
I'm trying to get slayven to read it but he's not biting.
Overall I'm on the fence if this one is worse than fear itself, but it's definitely down there. I guess it depends on how the last issue goes.
echoshifting
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Axis has some great tie-ins. The tie-ins are the only reason to keep going. Both events had writers pulling blood from a stone. Fear Itself's premise was no less embarrassing.
Manmademan
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can someone tell me where
brother voodoo
echoshifting
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Yeah I don't know where that came from, but I liked it. I'm glad he's back.
Manmademan
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I'm somewhere between "curious" and "mad" because I can't find anything that says that particular plot point was set up in any side issues. it just happened.
doom brought stature back in avengers world with some of scarlet witch's power
make a deal with some devil, and bring bother voodoo back to life for this
it's either hidden somewhere in the hobgoblin and carnage books, or totally out of someone's ass
echoshifting
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It's not hidden in those books, no. They're both very self-contained.
Glad I'm not the only one. I really did think I missed something somewhere. I'm not reading Avengers World so I thought it might have been something from there.
Supermanisdead
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Apparently you can bring people back to life if you know the right people in the underworld or something. The fact that nobody brought him back until now tho, lol.....
I might actually lose my mind if the only explanation we ever get is that one sentence from Doom.
Manmademan
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this is why I said I'm somewhere in between "curious" and "angry".
I think you might be right though. "Oh, yeah, me and the devil are bros, that's the explanation".
edit: and yeah, avengers world doesn't mention this at all- which is odd, because one could substitute
brother voodoo for stature
Supermanisdead
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Hahahaaaahahaaahahaa
Manmademan
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jesus christ.
It's official, this event is worse than Fear Itself.
Edit: people thought I was just a hater, but I am a Prophet and LO, Axis doth sucketh something fierce! Look on Marvel's works ye mighty and despair
CapNBritain
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It sucks that this event is being derailed by having to devote plot points to setting up Marvel's 20-15 status quo. Well, that and the premise being pretty stupid. But Axis is better than Fear Itself because Remender is at least having fun writing some entertaining scenes. I mean yes, it is weird that Brother Voodoo's return is basically an afterthought while Southern Carnage gets a several pages. But that's probably because Marvel is making Remender put things in, which is messing with the flow of the series. Now, Remender should be doing a better job smoothing all these things out to make for a good event/read, but like all event writers he apparently just said F it.
Memento Mori
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Considering Remender wrote Dr Voodoo's quickly cancelled solo series and he's including him on the new Uncanny Avengers team, I assume bringing Voodoo back was his choice.
The Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver retcon is the only thing which has struck me as editorially mandated.
The Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver retcon is the only thing which has struck me as editorially mandated.
crimsonspider89
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Yeah the over campy stuff is what I enjoy.
Manmademan
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I'm guessing someone just saw "cletus" and ran with it.
Someone told Remender that his name was Cletus, and that was that. Remender gonna Remender.
Manmademan
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I KNEW that last page would get you!
May god have mercy on Falcon's soul
It all depends on that last issue. Cap in his armor might just push it over. Barely.
I used to live in world where I could trust Remender.
Manmademan
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see, what doesn't make sense for me here is that obviously solving the Wanda problem couldn't be an "afterthought", because it's so central to the series.
yet that solution is the absolutely most literal deus ex machina one could think up, with absolutely no foundation laid for how it's possible other than "I made this deal with this god I know off panel when no one was looking."
how did this even get past editorial?
If they manage to sneak in NFL superpro in the next issue, marvel can have ALL my money. ALL OF IT
echoshifting
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I'll just quote the next line from that article...
Amen brother.
Do you guys really think a few paragraphs of exposition and a page of flashback is what was needed at this point in the event so we know exactly how this character is back? I couldn't give two shits. He's awesome, he's back, hooray! The end.
I mean it's a pretty safe bet we'll be revisiting this "Faustian pact," do we need details right this second? Do you really want those details in batshit Axis-speak, or would you rather have them explored in Uncanny Avengers when Remender comes back to his senses?
How many Faustian deals would that take?
As the only person on Earth who fucking *hated* Franken-Castle, I've harbored a hate on for Remender for a long time now.
Maybe Lockheed selling his soul to the demon that cleans Dreamqueen's office.
echoshifting
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You're not the only one. I like most of Remender's stuff but Frankencastle is some overrated bullshit. Couldn't even finish it.
Manmademan
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my big issue is that it's absolute nonsense when we look at what happened in Avengers World #16.
echoshifting
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I should really read that tie-in shouldn't I?
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