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I keep hearing people push me to go for the x3d version but I have seen numerous benchmarks for the 4070 there is little improvement. IF I went to say a 4080 or above I would see improvement but to be honest the build I have should easily play most modern games at high or extreme settings for the next 5+ years. Especially factoring in DLSS 3.

Like I said, it all depends on the game. If you care about CPU heavy games like baldur's gate 3, you will feel the difference when it starts to chug in the city areas, even on a 4070.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I am building a new modest rig and on other forums I got some shit because "its not future proof enough" My mid range budge build plan: Ryzen 5 5600x cpu, 4070 gpu, 32gb ddr4 ram, along with a 2tb 1.4 nvme drive and another 1 tb backup. Will my system be a world beater? No but should it play games for the foreseeable future? Hell yea (A 4070 is around 29 teraflops) My budget build around $900 but if I listen to many of the "experts" opinoins on parts that shoots to around $1200-$1400"

That had me doubing myself and got me to invesitage on what the average PC gamer uses to game on. Going by the forums I have been on, YOu would think that everyone was rocking 4080 Supers, 4090's, or at the Least 7900xt's. What I found was down right laughable. For those who do not know, Steam does a Hardware Survey on what gamers use to play games on their platform. What I Found was Quite shocking. Yes there are a hanful of PC gamers with money to spare who are rocking the latest CPU's and GPU's and fastest ram, yada, yada, yada. The vast majority are not. Here is what Steam found the average PC user used to game with just last month

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Average PC Hardware on Steam:
OS: Windows 11 and Windows 10 are about 96% of user OS.
Ram: 16 GB (does not specify Speed)
CPU: Vast Majority have an intel CPU of (2.39-2.69 range) mosty likely in the lower end market of intel but there isn't enough info to say for sure (6-8 core range but that doesn't mean anything because $100 phones come with 6 core cpu's)
The top 5 gpus used in October 2024 for PC gamers: I am not a PC snob but this made me kinda vomit in my mouth a little: Top 5: 1. RTX 3060 2. 4060 (laptop version) 3. 4060 4. GTX 1650 5. RTX 2060 A GTX 1060 is in the top 10. Less than 1% own a 4090 about 2% own better than a 4060
Average Vram: 8gb
Average Resolution: 1080p

My point is, don't listen to the PC master race people who flash their digital cocks around about how much better their system is. The vast majority are rocking medicore to slow PC's. Looking at the Specs of the Series X and PS5 compared to the average PC hardware, it's clear to see the conosles outperform the average PC gamers hardware.

There are many ways to build the PC to be more budget friendly, but something has to give. You can't buy new upper mid-range Nvidia GPU without forking over a bundle for example. I have an old 2060 Ti rig that runs most games beautifully at 1080p. It takes some configuring, but it does the job. Even my newer 6700XT rig that was a cheaper build can run most games well at 1440p. If you want to future proof your hardware it is going to cost extra and if that is what you want more than staying within budget then do it.

 

[bender]

Come again?

 

[Gamer79]

There are many ways to build the PC to be more budget friendly, but something has to give. You can't buy new upper mid-range Nvidia GPU without forking over a bundle for example. I have an old 2060 Ti rig that runs most games beautifully at 1080p. It takes some configuring, but it does the job. Even my newer 6700XT rig that was a cheaper build can run most games well at 1440p. If you want to future proof your hardware it is going to cost extra and if that is what you want more than staying within budget then do it.

Well I buy the GPU on the used market. I often use Ebay combined with Paypal buyer protection. I purchased my last 3 GPU's used on Ebay and saved myself hundreds each time.

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

I'm gettin sick of people with small digital cocks wanna surround themselves with other people with small cocks to feel comfortable. You should start a small cock club.
It's like being jealous of the neighbors with their new sports car and instead of thinking damn nice car if i could afford one i would have bought one, you act like little girls and are hating and yelling: It's a unnecessary car, you can't even drive that fast and it's bad for the environment and my Prius is just fine.

Fuck off.

 

[XXL]

Fucking hell at the state of this supposed "enthusiast" place. There's people actually believing PS5 Pro being inferior to a 2080.

Most of the most vocal PC fanboys in the PS5 Pro threads have 3080s. Lol.

Which is hilarious to me.

I'm not knocking people who have 3080s, but shitting on the Pro (in every thread) when you have a 3080 is nothing short of ridiculous.

 

[Gaiff]

Fucking hell at the state of this supposed "enthusiast" place. There's people actually believing PS5 Pro being inferior to a 2080.

I'll be honest, I had completely forgotten the Pro despite it being the machine I've spent the most time with the past two weeks lol.

 

[Crayon]

You are 8000% correct. I'm surprised ,but I suppose shouldn't be, at the disdain for the hardware survey down this page.

 

[Bavarian_Sloth]

I keep hearing people push me to go for the x3d version but I have seen numerous benchmarks for the 4070 there is little improvement. IF I went to say a 4080 or above I would see improvement but to be honest the build I have should easily play most modern games at high or extreme settings for the next 5+ years. Especially factoring in DLSS 3.

Those people are right, imo. The 3D Cache can bring a lot to the table, especially in the long run and regarding the 1% lows. And it is only 100 bucks more expensive.

A 4080 on the other hand, like you wrote, would cost 500 bucks more, which is totally disproportionately in your case.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Fucking hell at the state of this supposed "enthusiast" place. There's people actually believing PS5 Pro being inferior to a 2080.

Is it so inconceivable that with fine tuned settings and modifications a game could look and run better than with some mediocre predetermined settings profile on newly released hardware?

 

[hinch7]

You asked for some advice in the main PC building thread and now you come back with this wierd thread. Um okay.

So much for people actually making some effort in replying and trying to be helpful.

 

[The Cockatrice]

My guy, if you werent aware, gaf is a huge minority, even more than the other forum. It's an echochamber of extremists and theres not that many people here that are on a middle ground. Ofc most pc gamers dont have a high-end rig and ofc most people dont think a ps5 pro is the best thing ever made and ofc most ppl dont brag like a bunch of inbred idiots that they just bought 10 4090's and 10 ps5pros and 10 xbox x because its their favorite system and its DA BEST. Stay away from social media, build what you think its best, and just enjoy the games.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

How pc gamers see themselves:

Reality:

Don't be silly. We are all Henry Cavil.

 

[proandrad]

It’s almost 2025 and modern games need more cpu power. Get at least something with as many cores as a modern console. You can always lower the settings or resolution if your gpu limited. There is nothing you can do when your cpu limited.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Well I buy the GPU on the used market. I often use Ebay combined with Paypal buyer protection. I purchased my last 3 GPU's used on Ebay and saved myself hundreds each time.

Might want to look into refurbished components if you want to save money.

 

[rm082e]

This is a silly false premise. I've never heard anyone say something like "The most commonly used parts among the Steam userbase represent a more powerful gaming PC than most consoles."

"PC Master Race" came from the old Zero Punctuation review of The Witcher and it was making fun of PC elitists. Said PC elitists then adopted PCMR unironically. The point there is it's a meme referring to the elitists, not the average gaming PC or players using average builds. If you see someone with a base level build making PCMR memes, and they're not being sarcastic about it, then by all means clown on those people. When someone who's running a high-end rig makes PCMR jokes, they've earned it because they spent the money to buy the hardware to justify it.

dirty console peasants...

 

[Draugoth]

Getting into PC Gaming is sometimes a big regret of mine

Advantages of PC Gaming

- Easy 60 FPs+
- Cheaper games
- You can beat consoles for the same price point
- Modding and game adjusting, not limited to console settings
- Porn Games i guess?


Disvantages of PC Building

- Expensive, if you are a top level enthusiast you will be spending at least $4000 every two years
- Any component can break on your PC with no prior warning
- No Physical Media
- Things can easily go wrong on building
- Stuff like DLSS means developers dont bother optimizing games anymore.

I had to upgrade my rig because a power surge killed some components, something i really wasnt planning to.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No worries, PCMR, your €2000 GPUs still outperform the €799 PS5 Pro.

 

[TintoConCasera]

- Expensive, if you are a top level enthusiast you will be spending at least $4000 every two years

No need for that lol.

- Any component can break on your PC with no prior warning

Can they? Things don't explode on their own, and the same could be said about any electronic device.

- No Physical Media

Yeah this fucking sucks, and sadly consoles seem to be headed on the same direction.

- Things can easily go wrong on building

True, but that's on the user, not on the platform.

- Stuff like DLSS means developers dont bother optimizing games anymore.

Same on consoles.

 

[twilo99]

Average PC gamer here with my PC with a 4070 Ti Super, PS5 Pro, and Steam Deck.

nice xbox you got there

 

[Sentenza]

My point is, don't listen to the PC master race people who flash their digital cocks around about how much better their system is. The vast majority are rocking medicore to slow PC's.

The problem of this type of argument is that most of you don't understand shit.
"Only X% of Steam users have hardware better than Y" ignores the fact that only the top 20% of users on Steam is responsible for more than 80% of the total purchases.

So yeah, most of the players who are actively gaming on a regular basis on PC and buying games have typically better hardware than most of the ones that connect from the office to play Football Manager.

 

[twilo99]

No worries, PCMR, your €2000 GPUs still outperform the €799 PS5 Pro.

PS5 pro can easily be outperformed by a 900 euro PC

 

[Draugoth]

Can they? Things don't explode on their own, and the same could be said about any electronic device.

This is why you research A LOT, when building your PC.

There are some manufacturer components that are easily prone for issues.

You probably spend more time searching for parts than building.

 

[kiphalfton]

Getting into PC Gaming is sometimes a big regret of mine

Advantages of PC Gaming

- 60 FPs+
- Cheaper games
- You can beat consoles for the same price point
- Modding and game adjusting, not limited to console settings
- Porn Games i guess?


Disvantages of PC Building

- Expensive, if you are a top level enthusiast you will be spending at least $4000 every two years
- Any component can break on your PC with no prior warning
- No Physical Media
- Things can easily go wrong on building
- Stuff like DLSS means developers dont bother optimizing games anymore.

I had to upgrade my rig because a power surge killed some components, somethign i really wasnt planning to.

Half those points about PC building aren't that big of a deal.

- Power surge can take anything out.
- Bad game optimization isn't just limited to PC (there's some garbage on consoles too).
- Physical media on PC hasn't been a thing for a long time, and isn't as big of an issue as on consoles (as there's more than one store front).
- Any component can break in a console, rendering it useless, and costly to repair.

Only valid point is the first one.

 

[SmokedMeat]

“Future proof” is the absolute dumbest term I’ve heard, but I’ve seen it thrown around often enough.

Nothing is “future proof”.

Also “Master Race” is used by the console crowd more than anyone else.

 

[TintoConCasera]

This is why you research A LOT, when building your PC.

There are some manufacturer components that are easily prone for issues.

You probably spend more time searching for parts than building.

Yeah you have to be informed, that's for sure.

This depends on the store I guess, but at least in the one I get my stuff from they give you the option to pay 50€ extra bucks to get the PC assembled and tested by them, which is great if you want to be 100% sure that everything will be alright with your build.

OP might want to take this into account if he's building his first PC. Gamer79

 

[Draugoth]

Yeah you have to be informed, that's for sure.

This depends on the store I guess, but at least in the one I get my stuff from they give you the option to pay 50€ extra bucks to get the PC assembled and tested by them, which is great if you want to be 100% sure that everything will be alright with your build.

OP might want to take this into account if he's building his first PC. Gamer79

Cable management is an absolute pain in the ass. You couuld probably build a machien in an hour if weren't for cables

 

[Vick]

Is it so inconceivable that with fine tuned settings and modifications a game could look and run better than with some mediocre settings profile available on newly released hardware?

I guess it depends, PC tailoring possibilities (and modding) would sure help in case of incompetence from the dev part, whereas on Console you're necessarily stuck with what you're given.
But when a game is running at native 4K maxed out with RT at stable 60fps on PS5 Pro when a 2080 struggles to maintain 60fps at 1080p?
It is indeed both inconceivable and ludicrous.

And I while it has nothing to do with hardware, for various reasons there's actually games that right now are objectively better on Pro than any PC including 4090.. like Devil May Cry 5 at 4K 60fps with RT absent on PC, Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster at 4K 60fps with RT absent on PC, God of War Ragnarok maxed out at 4K 60fps with additional VFXs and parallax-corrected cubemaps absent on PC, Callisto Protocol at 4K 60fps with new higher resolution textures absent on PC, the plenty of games having stutter issues or completely ruined by DX12 like RE2R that now runs at 4K 60fps with RT on Pro, etc.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

console = convenient value machine (read: compromises)
pc = splinter in the pee-pee sex god machine (easily best IQ and performance, but also splinter in the pee-pee)

 

[Senua]

I guess it depends, PC tailoring possibilities (and modding) would sure help in case of incompetence from the dev part, whereas on Console you're necessarily stuck with what you're given.
But when a game is running at native 4K maxed out with RT at stable 60fps on PS5 Pro when a 2080 struggles to maintain 60fps at 1080p?
It is indeed both inconceivable and ludicrous.

I'm going to guess he meant the base consoles only otherwise yes, a silly comment.

Also “Master Race” is used by the console crowd more than anyone else.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I am building a new modest rig and on other forums I got some shit because "its not future proof enough" My mid range budge build plan: Ryzen 5 5600x cpu, 4070 gpu, 32gb ddr4 ram, along with a 2tb 1.4 nvme drive and another 1 tb backup.

I recommend going with a newer AMD CPU so you’re on the AM5 socket, which will last you for years.
Otherwise you’re going to be looking at a new motherboard, RAM, and CPU when you decide to upgrade. I say get it done now, and if you’ve got a MicroCenter near you they always have excellent bundle deals.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Getting into PC Gaming is sometimes a big regret of mine

 

[XXL]

Getting into PC Gaming is sometimes a big regret of mine

Advantages of PC Gaming

- 60 FPs+
- Cheaper games
- You can beat consoles for the same price point
- Modding and game adjusting, not limited to console settings
- Porn Games i guess?


Disvantages of PC Building

- Expensive, if you are a top level enthusiast you will be spending at least $4000 every two years
- Any component can break on your PC with no prior warning
- No Physical Media
- Things can easily go wrong on building
- Stuff like DLSS means developers dont bother optimizing games anymore.

I had to upgrade my rig because a power surge killed some components, something i really wasnt planning to.

Agree for the most part.

I would add BC as a major strength of the PC as well.

I think ease of use is massively underrated on consoles in comparison to PC.

I'll give you the best example I've seen.

VR gaming.....as I play alot of VR and own multiple headsets.

VR gaming on the PSVR 2 with PS5/PS5 Pro works every single time, no issues ever. And I'm being extremely literally here. I've never had any issue on PSVR 2. Even the setup only took a few mins.

It's a much nicer user experience.

PCVR is amazing but there are sooo many problems that pop up frequently. Modding and the depth of the library on PC is better, but it make me hesitant on starting up sometimes because of the constant issues. Sometimes the Steam VR app will just crash, sometime it won't recognize controllers, etc.

It's kind of a headache getting started on PC and it's completely random. And the VR forums are just filled with people troubleshooting and never being able to find a definitive answer.

 

[Paulistano]

I am building a new modest rig and on other forums I got some shit because "its not future proof enough" My mid range budge build plan: Ryzen 5 5600x cpu, 4070 gpu, 32gb ddr4 ram, along with a 2tb 1.4 nvme drive and another 1 tb backup. Will my system be a world beater? No but should it play games for the foreseeable future? Hell yea (A 4070 is around 29 teraflops) My budget build around $900 but if I listen to many of the "experts" opinoins on parts that shoots to around $1200-$1400"

That had me doubing myself and got me to invesitage on what the average PC gamer uses to game on. Going by the forums I have been on, YOu would think that everyone was rocking 4080 Supers, 4090's, or at the Least 7900xt's. What I found was down right laughable. For those who do not know, Steam does a Hardware Survey on what gamers use to play games on their platform. What I Found was Quite shocking. Yes there are a hanful of PC gamers with money to spare who are rocking the latest CPU's and GPU's and fastest ram, yada, yada, yada. The vast majority are not. Here is what Steam found the average PC user used to game with just last month

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Average PC Hardware on Steam:
OS: Windows 11 and Windows 10 are about 96% of user OS.
Ram: 16 GB (does not specify Speed)
CPU: Vast Majority have an intel CPU of (2.39-2.69 range) mosty likely in the lower end market of intel but there isn't enough info to say for sure (6-8 core range but that doesn't mean anything because $100 phones come with 6 core cpu's)
The top 5 gpus used in October 2024 for PC gamers: I am not a PC snob but this made me kinda vomit in my mouth a little: Top 5: 1. RTX 3060 2. 4060 (laptop version) 3. 4060 4. GTX 1650 5. RTX 2060 A GTX 1060 is in the top 10. Less than 1% own a 4090 about 2% own better than a 4060
Average Vram: 8gb
Average Resolution: 1080p

My point is, don't listen to the PC master race people who flash their digital cocks around about how much better their system is. The vast majority are rocking medicore to slow PC's. Looking at the Specs of the Series X and PS5 compared to the average PC hardware, it's clear to see the conosles outperform the average PC gamers hardware.

Why not a i5 12400 or 13400 instead of the 5600x?

At least here its much cheaper and the performance is better than 5600x and cooler too and I think that lga 1700 is much better than am4, full pcie4 and some mobos have pcie5 you can choose between ddr4 or ddr5, I think it's very good.

 

[analog_future]

Getting into PC Gaming is sometimes a big regret of mine

Advantages of PC Gaming

- Easy 60 FPs+
- Cheaper games
- You can beat consoles for the same price point
- Modding and game adjusting, not limited to console settings
- Porn Games i guess?


Disvantages of PC Building

- Expensive, if you are a top level enthusiast you will be spending at least $4000 every two years
- Any component can break on your PC with no prior warning
- No Physical Media
- Things can easily go wrong on building
- Stuff like DLSS means developers dont bother optimizing games anymore.

I had to upgrade my rig because a power surge killed some components, something i really wasnt planning to.

• Atleast $4000 every two years? What in the fuck are you buying lol? I have a 4090 and a 9800X3D and I haven't spent a fraction of "$4000 every two years".
• Decent PC components are no more prone to "break" than a console is prone to "break".
• If you're not comfortable building, go prebuilt
• Devs rely on checkerboard rendering/TSR/FSR/PSSR on the console side instead of DLSS. You aren't usually getting more optimized games on the console side, you're just getting games that are upscaled with a shittier scaler than DLSS

 

[Griffon]

Even when my old 1070 based machine was getting real outdated, I still wouldn't trade it for a closed-garden system.

Consoles have less games, you have to pay out the ass for basic online functionality, games cost twice the price on average, have barely any backward-compatibility when compared to PC, and their OS is limited shit.
The PC advantage isn't just about performance.

 

[Interfectum]

I have a small form factor PC with a 4080 hooked up to my 4K OLED. Shit is like 2 gens ahead of these consoles. Life is good.

 

[Imtjnotu]

I have a small form factor PC with a 4080 hooked up to my 4K OLED. Shit is like 2 gens ahead of these consoles. Life is good.

Bro I have a one hell of a PC with a 4080s and I wouldn't say some dumb shit like you just did

 

[Draugoth]

• Atleast $4000 every two years? What in the fuck are you buying lol? I have a 4090 and a 9800X3D and I haven't spent a fraction of "$4000 every two years".
• Decent PC components are no more prone to "break" than a console is prone to "break".
• If you're not comfortable building, go prebuilt
• Devs rely on checkerboard rendering/TSR/FSR/PSSR on the console side instead of DLSS. You aren't usually getting more optimized games on the console side, you're just getting games that are upscaled with a shittier scaler than DLSS

Nvidia releases a new GPU Line every two years
Intel/AMD releases new CPUs every year.

So $1500 (RTX XX90) + 2x $1000 ( Top CPU and ATX MOBU )

 

[namenotfound]

Why do people get so heated on this? I have a PC and PlayStation 5. PC I don't play at 4k. I play 2560x1080 - 3440x1440. I have a Ryzen 7950x. I have 64GB of memory. But I use a 7600xt. Don't need more. I don't play Cyberpunk or Alan Wake. I play a bunch of easier to run games. And I run my own file server. And people were really into ChatGPT so I run locally my own Ollama server. Edit videos and photos. If there's something I need to turn on and I'm in my bedroom, I have Sunshine setup and use Moonlight on my phone to do something quick from my phone. Not in the city and want to set something, I RDP in. Don't need a 4080, 4090, 7900xtx

Cable management is an absolute pain in the ass. You couuld probably build a machien in an hour if weren't for cables

I think it's pretty easy these days. Power supplies that are modular are priced well compared to like 15 years ago when that was a premium feature. Cases no longer have 5.25" and 3.5" drive cages in them taking up so much space. Damn near every case has holes for routing cables behind and back to the front. People use NVME now so it's not often to see even 2.5" SSD's in them anymore and the SATA and power cables to them.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I guess it depends, PC tailoring possibilities (and modding) would sure help in case of incompetence from the dev part, whereas on Console you're necessarily stuck with what you're given.
But when a game is running at native 4K maxed out with RT at stable 60fps on PS5 Pro when a 2080 struggles to maintain 60fps at 1080p?
It is indeed both inconceivable and ludicrous.

The hardware can often cross that barrier with undervolting and/or overclocking in addition to software solutions. Those are usually not covered in comparisons.

And I while it has nothing to do with hardware, for various reasons there's actually games that right now are objectively better on Pro than any PC including 4090.. like Devil May Cry 5 at 4K 60fps with RT absent on PC, Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster at 4K 60fps with RT absent on PC, God of War Ragnarok maxed out at 4K 60fps with additional VFXs and parallax-corrected cubemaps absent on PC, Callisto Protocol at 4K 60fps with new higher resolution textures absent on PC, the plenty of games having stutter issues or completely ruined by DX12 like RE2R that now runs at 4K 60fps with RT on Pro, etc.

That just sounds like RE Engine is made with DX11 in mind. Sony won't bother optimizing and updating their software on PC. It is like ColecoVision releasing bad Donkey Kong ports on other systems to make their hardware look better. RE2R has a DX11 version that can be tweaked to look far better than the (non-native) 4K 60fps with RT on Pro. Devil May Cry 5 on PC is a bit of a bummer though. Capcom dropped the ball with that one in many ways.

 

[SmokedMeat]

People use graphics to justify everything but i'll always follow a good catalog of games and an easy platform to play. No way in hell am i ever going to deal with a game that doesn't work on my graphic card on release and then waiting for the eventual update that's gonna fix those issues.

But i get it if some people enjoy that.

The best and largest catalog of games is objectively on PC. Consoles are fragmented with games being left behind on old hardware.

Games not working is a case that I can’t even think of happening? As an example Warhammer Space Marine 2 won’t work on your PS4, but someone with a 2070 from 2018 can still play it at 60fps at ultra settings and 1080p if they chose to. You’re locked out while PC gamers aren’t, because they have flexibility with settings.

That’s one of the nice things about PC gaming. When PS6 arrives, I’ll still be able to play the latest generation of games without buying new hardware should I choose. But you’ll still need to buy a new console.

 

[sono]

its not future proof enough

No PC or console is ever future proof enough.

Enjoy your pc!

 

[analog_future]

Nvidia releases a new GPU Line every two years
Intel/AMD releases new CPUs every year.

So $1500 (XX90) + 2x $1000 ( Top CPU and ATX MOBU )

• 7800X3D came out 18 months before the 9800X3D (and the 9800X3D was a surprise early release).
• 7800X3D, 9800X3D, and the future 11800X3D will all run on the same socket, meaning you can keep the same motherboard for 5-6+ years
• If you really want to upgrade every year, are you not selling your old components? I'll be getting the 5090, but I'll also be selling my 4090 for like $1200+ when the time comes

So unless you're really, really going out of your way to throw your money in the trash, I'm not seeing what you're talking about.

 

[Guilty_AI]

i don't understand what you're angry about here. You don't like that your system is better than average for whatever reason? You don't like that the average system is lower than what's recommended in enthusiast forums? I don't get it.

 

[Generic]

Yes, most PC players play old games (Counter Strike, Minecraft). The appeal of PC is free online, cheaper prices for games, mods and backward compatibility.

 

[Itchy Tickles]

You can be proud of your build without being obnoxious. Proud in terms of the money you've saved to buy it, the work put into building it, how satisfied you are with it, and mainly how happy you are gaming on it, etc. Don't be worrying what anyone else says unless it's useful advise for your needs.

People who only play / have access to the Switch, for example, are happy enough with what they get. If someone goes from a PC or another console, they might struggle with the low resolution, low frame rates, etc If you can be happy doing what you're doing on your system, that's it.

Of course the more RGB you have, the more future proof you'll truly be.

 

[PandaOk]

I am building a new modest rig and on other forums I got some shit because "its not future proof enough" My mid range budge build plan: Ryzen 5 5600x cpu, 4070 gpu, 32gb ddr4 ram, along with a 2tb 1.4 nvme drive and another 1 tb backup. Will my system be a world beater? No but should it play games for the foreseeable future? Hell yea (A 4070 is around 29 teraflops) My budget build around $900 but if I listen to many of the "experts" opinoins on parts that shoots to around $1200-$1400"

That had me doubing myself and got me to invesitage on what the average PC gamer uses to game on. Going by the forums I have been on, YOu would think that everyone was rocking 4080 Supers, 4090's, or at the Least 7900xt's. What I found was down right laughable. For those who do not know, Steam does a Hardware Survey on what gamers use to play games on their platform. What I Found was Quite shocking. Yes there are a hanful of PC gamers with money to spare who are rocking the latest CPU's and GPU's and fastest ram, yada, yada, yada. The vast majority are not. Here is what Steam found the average PC user used to game with just last month

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Average PC Hardware on Steam:
OS: Windows 11 and Windows 10 are about 96% of user OS.
Ram: 16 GB (does not specify Speed)
CPU: Vast Majority have an intel CPU of (2.39-2.69 range) mosty likely in the lower end market of intel but there isn't enough info to say for sure (6-8 core range but that doesn't mean anything because $100 phones come with 6 core cpu's)
The top 5 gpus used in October 2024 for PC gamers: I am not a PC snob but this made me kinda vomit in my mouth a little: Top 5: 1. RTX 3060 2. 4060 (laptop version) 3. 4060 4. GTX 1650 5. RTX 2060 A GTX 1060 is in the top 10. Less than 1% own a 4090 about 2% own better than a 4060
Average Vram: 8gb
Average Resolution: 1080p

My point is, don't listen to the PC master race people who flash their digital cocks around about how much better their system is. The vast majority are rocking medicore to slow PC's. Looking at the Specs of the Series X and PS5 compared to the average PC hardware, it's clear to see the conosles outperform the average PC gamers hardware.

Also what studies we have seen? Show that PC gaming isn’t actually less expensive, paying for online be damned.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Nvidia releases a new GPU Line every two years
Intel/AMD releases new CPUs every year.

So $1500 (RTX XX90) + 2x $1000 ( Top CPU and ATX MOBU )

No need to get all the latest shit imo.

My rig has a 5800X and a 4070 Super. Sure it's not the latest stuff but guess what, I can still play all the newest games at 4K/60fps.

Some people like going beyond that, playing with DLAA, maxing out all the RTX shit or maybe they just like having the latest stuff.

My point is, it's optional, and even a mid-range PC like mine will give you better results than a console. But that's if you want those results, nothing wrong with playing on a console like a non-pro PS5 or Series if you don't mind conceding here and there.

 

[Fess]

Well yeah enthusiast gamers are a minority.
News at 11?
I’m sure there are polls here about graphics cards and CPU usage if you want to get an idea about what people here are using.