TBiddy
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Different rules for different people, of course.My man G went from "wait till you see who share pirat nation" to "no not that one" real quick
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Mister Wolf
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Well if you have a problem with female npc vendors and such then I don't know what to tell you.
Topher
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Ok......so how many males in Dawnshore who fit that criteria?
Nydius
Member
Probably a fair criticism but swinging a sword in Avowed doesn’t look much better. Even the more positive reviews have complaints about melee combat and damn near every video review I’ve seen of Avowed are using wand and grimoire spells which seems to give at least some credibility to the complaints.
As an aside, combat in KoA:R was pretty good too IMO. Chakrams flinging was fun shit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Other than an (optional) toggle to show pronouns, no one's really shared anything that even comes close to touching the shadow of the whole Barv thing in Veilguard, which even I've said only detracted from an otherwise decent/good game.
It looks like overblown bs like how there were people who were convinced that Indiana Jones will have playable Gina segments because Indy will be incapacitated and treated like a secondary character or some such shit.
Humdinger
Gold Member
There have been a few reports that women are unrealistically over-represented in leadership and/or quest-giving roles, to the point where an agenda seems apparent. On the other hand, there have also been several reports to the contrary. So who knows.
Nothing remotely resembling the Veilguard situation.
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SilentSpecter
Member
No, no, no. Female NPCs as vendors are okay, but my problem is that most of the NPCs in are female.
Mister Wolf
Member
And in the city of Paradis none of them are running shit besides one. I'll see about the next area but the vast majority of shot callers in the City are men especially the ones dealing with the main quest. Am I lying?
Topher
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Other than an (optional) toggle to show pronouns, no one's really shared anything that even comes close to touching the shadow of the whole Barv thing in Veilguard, which even I've said only detracted from an otherwise decent/good game.
It looks like overblown bs like how there were people who were convinced that Indiana Jones will have playable Gina segments because Indy will be incapacitated and treated like a secondary character or some such shit.
The only thing I recall that was really overblown about Indiana Jones was the take one person here had that folks were going to freak out about a single lesbian character in the game. As far as I can tell no one gave a damn. First I'm hearing about this "Gina segments" stuff. Where was this "overblown" by people?
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Weren't people just assuming it'd be the case because The Outer Worlds was like that?
ManaByte
Member
I know you’re not but you’ll be accused of lying.
I collect VHS tapes
Member
I asked AI to provide me a breakdown of NPCs by gender in Dawnshore in Avowed:
Gender Breakdown of NPCs:
- Male Human NPCs:
- Militia Captain Cynric
- Merchant Valtur
- Paradis Militia Instructor
- Flint
- Outlaw Apprentice
- Outlaw Thug
- Sparrowhawk Twinblade
- Sparrowhawk Wastrel
- Sparrowhawk Sentinel
- Sparrowhawk Bowman
- Sparrowhawk Kneebreaker
- Sparrowhawk Arquebusier
- Smuggler Apprentice
- Smuggler Lackey
- Desperate Smuggler
- Smuggler Duelist
- Smuggler Arquebusier
- Yellowband Outlaw
- Yellowband Ringleader
- Bandit Bowman
- Highwayman Bruiser
- Bandit
- Highwayman Barbarian
- Nacib
- Octav the Firebrand
- Tempestuous Luandi
- Total Male Humans: 24
- Female Human NPCs:
- Dehengen
- Concerned Mother
- Concerned Father
- Merchant Dagherda
- Sanza
- Malthea
- Grysca
- Gweneth
- Liviana
- Lynna
- Marynna
- Merylin
- Ralga
- Total Female Humans: 13
Summary:
- Total Male NPCs (Human + Non-human): 24
- Total Female NPCs (Human + Non-human): 13
- Total Non-Human NPCs: 16
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TBiddy
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Seems like a funny thing to be mad about. But what do I know.
DeepEnigma
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Who's mad?
Topher
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I collect VHS tapes
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made me chuckle. it's listed as an NPC with that name on Fextralife. guessing that is where it pulled from.
Topher
Identifies as young
That list is jacked up. Has Sanza as a female and Militia Captain Cyrnric as a male
I collect VHS tapes
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to be fair Sanza sounds like a bitch name
Ass of Can Whooping
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Look at this absolute fruitcake LMAO
bless what a cutiepie
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure, I'll put a few examples under spoiler tags to not crowd the page.
You'll find more posts quoting one or more of these kind of replies with similar affirming zingers.
I'm sure there's more if I scan through the various Reviews topics etc, but this should give you an idea of what I meant.
I'm sure there's more if I scan through the various Reviews topics etc, but this should give you an idea of what I meant.
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Topher
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Here are the males and females in Dawnshore per fextralife
Females
Militia Captain Cynric
Dehengen
Concerned Mother
Merchant Dagherda
Malthea
Gweneth
Liviana
Lynna
Marynna
Merchant (Militia Headquarters)
Merylin
Merchant (The Catch)
12
Males
Merchant Valtur
Sanza
Flint
Grysca
Shantytown Merchant
5
Eh....I mean....definitely more females but not enough to get fussed about, imo. Seems like the ideal situation for a single man...
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Between that other forum where everything is a concern and has potential to get you banned, and this place where people count the number of women in games, is there a normal place left online to discuss gaming? Not asking for much, really.
Topher
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There is an OT for this game if you want to talk about it specifically and not stuff that comes out of the reviews. This is the "reviews" thread, you know.
BigLee74
Member
Thought you were waiting to play it yourself?Here are the males and females in Dawnshore per fextralife
Females
Militia Captain Cynric
Dehengen
Concerned Mother
Merchant Dagherda
Malthea
Gweneth
Liviana
Lynna
Marynna
Merchant (Militia Headquarters)
Merylin
Merchant (The Catch)
12
Males
Merchant Valtur
Sanza
Flint
Grysca
Shantytown Merchant
5
Eh....I mean....definitely more females but not enough to get fussed about, imo. Seems like the ideal situation for a single man...
Topher
Identifies as young
Thought you were waiting to play it yourself?
Because I ain't going to watch hours of gameplay on youtube for something as silly as this.
Mister Wolf
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Topher
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Hero of Spielberg
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I hope reviews in future have a male / female authoritative role ratio as part of their scoring. Will really help with these discussions.
Da1337Vinci
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Man I always thought review threads on neogaf were only funny when the game is abysmal like Concord or Redfall or masterpieces.
But DEI topics seems have to spring up an entirely new meta for these.
But DEI topics seems have to spring up an entirely new meta for these.
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bender
What time is it?
Topher
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Kacho
Gold Member
More proof that Bethesda should ditch the 20+ years of work they've done with the creation engine and use UE5
GHG
Member
Here are the males and females in Dawnshore per fextralife
Females
Militia Captain Cynric
Dehengen
Concerned Mother
Merchant Dagherda
Malthea
Gweneth
Liviana
Lynna
Marynna
Merchant (Militia Headquarters)
Merylin
Merchant (The Catch)
12
Males
Merchant Valtur
Sanza
Flint
Grysca
Shantytown Merchant
5
Eh....I mean....definitely more females but not enough to get fussed about, imo. Seems like the ideal situation for a single man...
Doesn't look like "50/50" to me.
I collect VHS tapes
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according to Fextralife, the vast majority of villains/bad guys in Dawnfall are male, so the NPC count seems to skew in favor of men if you count all NPCsDoesn't look like "50/50" to me.
this is probably why when I was watching Asmon's stream it felt like men were everywhere
once you get into story and vendors it becomes more skewed towards women a bit. looks like merchants in Dawnfall is 7 women 5 men
(I can't believe you assholes have me doing this math lol, I should really just pay the deluxe edition price tag and hop in)
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Dr Cowley
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Kacho
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Mister Wolf
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DeepEnigma
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I collect VHS tapes
Member
I have no issue with the lead baddies being male
I can probably count on one hand the amount of video games that had well written female antagonists
more often than not it just comes off as cringe
I'm more bummed that you can't kill NPCs
MMaRsu
Member
Its easy to laugh at Skyrim's combat when the game came out in 2011 and there were no other big open world rpg's with better combat on consoles
The combat was also hardly ever the draw of the TES games.
Mister Wolf
Member
So the thing you do the most in it fucking sucks. Brilliant. Also this came out 5 years before Skyrim
Cart before horse.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I was just being cheeky. "What little men we have in contrast, they're just evil."
I don't care either way, I too prefer males being the villain more so, unless they're properly done like in Uncharted 3 (as an example). But old wealthy white British women always excelled in the villain roles.
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Kacho
Gold Member
It’s never been a draw and never will be. It just needs to be serviceable.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Maybe. Some people might have gone in looking for woke and found evidence of it, then exaggerated that evidence. That's certainly possible. We often see what we are prepared to see. Otoh, it isn't just one person, it is several, so there may be something to it.
And apart from bean-counting genders, there may be room for legitimate disagreement about any "agenda" present, since different people will interpret scenes and characters differently, depending on their own politics, sensitivities, and so forth.
I am not curious enough to find out myself. I'm more concerned about other problems that the game seems to have (e.g., story, characters, dialog, interactivity, lore dumps, art design).
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MMaRsu
Member
Depends how you play it, thats why people love TES, not the combat.So the thing you do the most in it fucking sucks. Brilliant. Also this came out 5 years before Skyrim
Cart before horse.
Same with Kingdome Come Deliverance.
The combat is hardly the draw of the game. Even if you are using it a lot (usually)