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Avowed Review posted 24 hours earlier (9.5/10.0)

Von Hugh

Member
demigod demigod trying to react to every single post here depending on what fits the narrative of his favorite plastic box:

happy sad face GIF by Barbara Pozzi
 

geary

Member
Canceling any game because I disagree with the personal opinions of its developers is crazy to me. Obviously if the game is flooded with lots of nonsense, my opinion could change, but a good game is a good game. If North Korean Dictator Kim Jong Un directed an amazing game, I'm probably buying it. Who gives a shit about personal opinions of developers? If I did care, I wouldn't be able to watch any movies or TV shows
You wouldn't be able to eat or to get dressed.
 
I don't mind it in other threads. The OT is a different matter though. If you're boycotting the game then why the fuck do you need to be in the OT telling everyone why you won't play it.
I honestly wish all that stuff would be regulated to it's own thread. Trying to talk about the game before release is also fun but impossible these days if something DEI related comes up.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Fess

Member
Which reviewer is accepted? I'm losing track about all the possible requirements a review needs to have the seal of approval. Can we determine a single one?
Greg Kasavin at GameSpot was good.
But I trust myself, been gaming longer than most youngster reviewers, I can usually tell if I’m going to enjoy a game from looking at a gameplay video. In this case I’m not sold at it but I’ll go in on Gamepass and see for myself. No deeper thoughts, it’s there and I like WRPGs, no loss if it’s bad.

That's the rub when people try and pretend to be a fence sitter. Selectively, of course.
There are no fence sitters here. You enter a review thread because you’re interested in the game. Period. In some cases because you’re interested but can’t access it or want to see it fail for whatever personal reasons like culture war etc. But there is always an interest.
And that’s why there are discussions in the first place and not just 5 posts and a dead thread.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
That leads me to another thought: what separates the triggerings we get from idiotic posts on social media with the brands we all love or hate? If Ghost of Yotei ends up full of wokeness, will the same people hating on Avowed hold true, or run defense for their team? Will the defenders of Avowed also defend Yotei?

Just some food for thought.

There's too many nuances of what is tasteful and what isn't or what I can accept and what is immediatly a boycott for someone else.

So far what we have for Avowed is : Pronouns
I personally got over it for Cyberpunk 2077, Hogwarts Legacy, Starfield, Baldur's gate 3. If its a 1 second selection in a character selection, I don't care. Tomorrow will tell if there's more to it. 🤷‍♂️ But that's what's known so far. I don't speculate a game is the fucking devil with nothing backing it up, as we've seen hours and hours of footage of it so far.

Again, in my opinion :

Cringe dialogues with agenda is different (Veilguard) but I can see peoples skipping on that kind of content and moving on. I'm not even sure, is it a particular forced quest or its missable? I really don't know for that game. The dialogue of Taash saying "so I'm non-binary" to start a conversation is laughable, but if you asked me if its missable or not I wouldn't know. The thing is Dragon-Age for me was Origins. I really haven't cared about how the game changed since inquisition for action oriented. The combat to me from what I see just doesn't click. Some peoples might say KCD 2 is also agenda driven but honestly if its missable content and done in good taste, the dialogues remain good, there's no rainbow flag in 1403 Bohemia... I'm fine with it. I called out a whole bunch of nonsense thumbnails on KCD 2.

A game like Dustborn I won't touch with a ten foot pole, that's the extreme other side. I don't like extremes. I think its silly and how the game came into existence with a checklist of everything that is woke into one neat package is still a mystery to me to this day, it took a lot of effort to come up with that. The game was an afterthought clearly.

Elden ring body type A or B ? Silly but ain't stopping me.

My most disappointing thing for intergalactic is not the bald chick but the fact that they tease a Space Porsche that apparently we won't even get to fly. Unacceptable stuff. Triggers me to the core.

I cannot abide also with places that censor over the most silly shit. I went to Famiboards once and realized that you get warnings if you post a Cyberpunk 2077 video, even if its just a benchmark :messenger_tears_of_joy: Fuck that. Thank god for Neogaf. Shoutout to EviLore EviLore

What can Ghost of Yotei have for wokeness? If its just because its a female samurai, that's silly. I don't think there's controversy over that... right? Or youtubers drama machine are already on it? I hope it doesn't come to that. I don't think anyone expects the studio to suddenly go Dustborn on Ghost franchise.

edit - well FFS, of course there's youtube drama over Ghost of Yotei, even before some veilguard writer joining apparently. I think this is silly. Again, I want to see the game, with my eyes. There's a whole lot of peoples working on a team.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
Funny how quickly we want from "it's just one developer" to "it's just a few". Avellone pointed towards its pretty much being the whole studio now and that was evident in the outer worlds, but let's just ignore that and pretend to play "both sides".

‘We’? It’s you pushing that angle.

And we’re about half a day away from seeing critic review consensus and player impressions to see if Avellone was full of shit. You could just wait for that.

I am not trolling but speaking facts. The game is made by a studio that supports racism because no one in this studio released a statement apologizing for the tweets that the art director of the game made even tho they became viral and even Elon Musk called him out

The studio needs to apologize because an art director says he’s open to coaching Black artists in his spare time? They’re supposed to
Throw him under the bus because Musk is extremely sensitive to pronoun choices from a drop down box in a character creator where you’re supposed to customize the game to your tastes?
Is everything OK?


The studio prioritize DEI and they are clearly on board with racism and I am going to call them out and bash their game at every chance I have because they deserve it and because this is a forum and I have freedom of speech

Ah. You’ve got freedom of speech here, but apparently Obsidian should have fired an experienced team member for exercising his own freedom of speech and opinion on X?

Just to add to this post, imagine if it was the other way around, the art director or some company says krusty burned black guy in his tweets or some shit like that, how would that be defensible? It would take seconds for a studio to release a statement and probably firing that developer

What’s ‘burned’ doing in this analogy here 😂
And we’ve seen similar language used in D&I pitches over the past decade. It’s specifically targeted at bringing in what the narrator perceived as underrepresented groups.

Please lets have common sense and not be hypocrites, Obsidian deserves to go down after this

Ah, fuck. So you’re going to troll the Outer Worlds 2 threads too.
 

MJR

Neo Member
I still haven’t figured out how people feel about Avowed on gaf, but to me, it’s just a gay Skyrim. Why play this when Skyrim exists is a mystery to me.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
That leads me to another thought: what separates the triggerings we get from idiotic posts on social media with the brands we all love or hate? If Ghost of Yotei ends up full of wokeness, will the same people hating on Avowed hold true, or run defense for their team? Will the defenders of Avowed also defend Yotei?

Just some food for thought.

I’ve spoken up in the Ghost of Yotei thread. and also weighed in on the Intergalactic discourse.

No matter the console or platform…I will always posit that a large part of the anti-woke response is shit to gaming and gaming discourse, and is driven by grifters who have found success with pushing Outrage as a Service.

Of course there are some (valid) exceptions…

I still haven’t figured out how people feel about Avowed on gaf, but to me, it’s just a gay Skyrim. Why play this when Skyrim exists is a mystery to me.

“Why play any new game when you can just reinstall an old game from your library and play again”

Spider Man Lol GIF
 
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Kacho

Gold Member
it’s just a gay Skyrim
Pretty much, yeah. With a fraction of the scope and scale. The game very obviously reflects the people working on it and if that's what resonates with the broader market then more power to them. I've accepted that I'm no longer Obsidian's target audience.
 

pudel

Member
That’s precisely what he said. Offered to review portfolios etc for black artists. Zero promise of a job at Obsidian. Zero discussion around hiring.
I dont understand why he is even bringing skin color into that. Can he not offer stuff to just everybody? For me it all sounds like a uno reverse card in racism. 🤷‍♂️
 

Ozriel

M$FT
I dont understand why he is even bringing skin color into that. Can he not offer stuff to just everybody? For me it all sounds like a uno reverse card in racism. 🤷‍♂️

It's just pure racism. He thinks it earns him brownie points being the sycophant that he is.

Nah. It’s what a diversity push looks like. He thinks there aren’t many black character artists so he wants to get more into the industry. People do that for women too.

Again, you don’t have to agree with him or his politics, but it’s his spare time he’s using at no charge. It would be a different conversation entirely if it was a company wide policy.

People are free to discuss their own personal
Politics on platforms that purport to be about ‘free speech’.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Another game with pronouns getting a 9/10 from some dude in a dress...well bend me over and slap my ass, I didn't see that one coming

(I assumed the reviewer is one of those types.. cause aren't they all FFS)
 

GHG

Member
‘We’? It’s you pushing that angle.

And we’re about half a day away from seeing critic review consensus and player impressions to see if Avellone was full of shit. You could just wait for that.

You're taking the "we" there too literally. I'm not referring to myself.

By the way, nobody needs to wait for anything when there's been their recent work and social commentary to go by.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
You're taking the "we" there too literally. I'm not referring to myself.

By the way, nobody needs to wait for anything when there's been their recent work and social commentary to go by.

Steam reviews of their most recent work.

Grounded (2022) - 90%
Pentiment (2022) - 95%

The art director’s personal opinions is a sign that Avellone was right?
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
So you're ignoring the outer worlds which happens to be the game in the most similar category to this because...?

You were the one who used the term ‘recent’. But even if we cite that game…
It has an overall 83% rating on Steam, and even Metacritic user reviews are at 7.8 (PS4, 1700+ reviews)

It’s also not an ideal analogue for Avowed since it was made in much less time, with a much smaller budget and in a rushed development cycle. Not an exact comparison to a bigger budget game Obsidian claims has the longest ever optimization and polish period of any game they’ve ever made.

Should we go further back In time?
 
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GHG

Member
You were the one who used the term ‘recent’. But even if we cite that game…
It has an overall 83% rating on Steam, and even Metacritic user reviews are at 7.8.

It’s also not an ideal analogue for Avowed since it was made in much less time, with a much smaller budget and in a rushed development cycle. Not an exact comparison to a bigger budget game Obsidian claims has the longest ever optimization and polish period of any game they’ve ever made.

Should we go further back In time?

Budget and time didn't save Dragon Age Veilguard from the aspects that people are sceptical about here.

So no, no need to go further back in time.
 
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Buggy Loop

Member
You were the one who used the term ‘recent’. But even if we cite that game…
It has an overall 83% rating on Steam, and even Metacritic user reviews are at 7.8 (PS4, 1700+ reviews)

It’s also not an ideal analogue for Avowed since it was made in much less time, with a much smaller budget and in a rushed development cycle. Not an exact comparison to a bigger budget game Obsidian claims has the longest ever optimization and polish period of any game they’ve ever made.

Should we go further back In time?

There's no winning with GHG, just endless back and forth. He'll dig his heels in.

If the game reviews well tomorrow, we'll be enjoying a new fantasy RPG while he's busy extrapolating CCUs to continue trolling anyway, nobody is quite built like GHG. I'm surprised he gave up on his Switch 2017 prediction, although I'm sure he's bound to bounce back on a "HA HA " I KNEW IT!" If Switch ever not outsells PS2 while his prediction was DOA.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
Budget and time didn't save Dragon Age Veilguard from the aspects that people are sceptical about here.

So no, no need to go further back in time.

Aside from the fact that Veilguard was rebooted multiple times, it’s standard practice to keep certain things constant when you’re doing an analysis. In this case, it should be Obsidian. Not sure why the work of another dev team is being cited here.
Their last two games were excellent, and while Outer Worlds ended up falling short of many users expectations, the key variable here is the time and budget allocated to that title.

Budget and time helped KCD2 become bigger and better than the original. For obvious reasons, you won’t cite that here 😃
 
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