Phil stated that they (along with "most experts") expected combined console sales to surpass 400 million that coming gen if gaming consoles remained just that - consoles you play games on. If you went, as Phil puts it, "broader than a game console" (i.e. the now infamous decision to market XBO to people who don't even game by focusing on shit like TV and sports) you could "go to potentially upwards of a billion units".This is why people should always read the article, and not react just on the headline.
1. Stray is exclusive. Plague Tale launched day one on PlayStation.Not sure why it had you rolling, unless not applying context to a quote and failing at reading comprehension are super funny to you.
He was replying to a poster talking about Sony getting day one PS+ games and listed Stray, which is as much a Sony game as Plague Tale is a Microsoft game. He was just listing two recent day one games GamePass got.
Phil stated that they (along with "most experts") expected combined console sales to surpass 400 million that coming gen if gaming consoles remained just that - consoles you play games on. If you went, as Phil puts it, "broader than a game console" (i.e. the now infamous decision to market XBO to people who don't even game by focusing on shit like TV and sports) you could "go to potentially upwards of a billion units".
If going broader would increase potential sales from 400 million to over a billion, then pretty much all of those 600 million+ extra sales (on top of the ~130 million Xbox sales already included in the 400 million) would have to come from Xbox One, since it was the only console that gen designed to target that broader market.
All that's besides the point, though, which is that MS were a bunch of idiots drunk on their own Kool-Aid back then. It was an utterly absurd and wildly unrealistic prediction, no matter how you slice it.
Subscriber growth for Microsoft's all-you-can-play Game Pass subscription service fell far short of an annual company target tied to CEO Satya Nadella's pay
Phil stated that they (along with "most experts") expected combined console sales to surpass 400 million that coming gen if gaming consoles remained just that - consoles you play games on. If you went, as Phil puts it, "broader than a game console" (i.e. the now infamous decision to market XBO to people who don't even game by focusing on shit like TV and sports) you could "go to potentially upwards of a billion units".
If going broader would increase potential sales from 400 million to over a billion, then pretty much all of those 600 million+ extra sales (on top of the ~130 million Xbox sales already included in the 400 million) would have to come from Xbox One, since it was the only console that gen designed to target that broader market.
All that's besides the point, though, which is that MS were a bunch of idiots drunk on their own Kool-Aid back then. It was an utterly absurd and wildly unrealistic prediction, no matter how you slice it.
"We believe over the next five years we can break a 100 million unit installed base"
"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward."
All that's besides the point, though, which is that MS were a bunch of idiots drunk on their own Kool-Aid back then. It was an utterly absurd and wildly unrealistic prediction, no matter how you slice it.
? What? The problem is not just that they cannot produce enough consoles, but also that they cannot produce enough consoles… double counting again ?
I don't know what the history of Phil saying stuff like that is, but if the Xbox division had projections of up to a billion units, that's obviously just him dreaming about maxing out industry capacity including by the looks of it people replacing their cable box with an Xbox. That's marketing talk to drum up interest. That's like someone on Shark Tank saying they want their product to be in every house in America. Even the most popular consumer product (I dont know, maybe a can of coke or bottle of water) wont even be in every home.Phil stated that they (along with "most experts") expected combined console sales to surpass 400 million that coming gen if gaming consoles remained just that - consoles you play games on. If you went, as Phil puts it, "broader than a game console" (i.e. the now infamous decision to market XBO to people who don't even game by focusing on shit like TV and sports) you could "go to potentially upwards of a billion units".
If going broader would increase potential sales from 400 million to over a billion, then pretty much all of those 600 million+ extra sales (on top of the ~130 million Xbox sales already included in the 400 million) would have to come from Xbox One, since it was the only console that gen designed to target that broader market.
All that's besides the point, though, which is that MS were a bunch of idiots drunk on their own Kool-Aid back then. It was an utterly absurd and wildly unrealistic prediction, no matter how you slice it.
This thread is not about the fucking Satya bonus, nobody cares about that. It's about GP only growing 28% since June 2021.The 'growth' target was for Satya's bonus and performance pay, the service has not gone in the red, or fell flat.
but please folks, let gaf be gaf
Now we know it's NOWHERE close to that so what's your take on this news? Do not go back to talk about Satya. We don't care.They don't reveal GP numbers more than once a year but I won't be surprised if its between 32~35 million come next January.
OMG so now you're here pretending that small mobile dev Sony bought (I don't even remember their name) is the same as buying King, Blizzard and Candy Crush? Really?
1. Stray is exclusive. Plague Tale launched day one on PlayStation.
2. Neither Stray nor Scorn/Plague Tale are first-party games.
3. Sony's PS+ does not release games day one on the service. Everyone knows that. No one subscribes to PS+ for day one games. No point in competing the two services on a feature that one service intentionally doesn't even offer.
No, they genuinely thought selling up to a billion Xbox Ones was a real possibility back in 2013: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/microsoft-next-gen-could-hit-1-billion-consoles-sold
This thread is not about the fucking Satya bonus, nobody cares about that. It's about GP only growing 28% since June 2021.
In june 2021 they had 20 millions subs so from July 2021 to June 2022 (after Halo, Forza, Age of Empires, Flight Sim, Psychonauts 2, xCloud) the maximum numbers of subs is 25.6 Millions. We already know they had 25 millions back in Jan so from Jan to July 2022 they barely gained any.
Now we know it's NOWHERE close to that so what's your take on this news? Do not go back to talk about Satya. We don't care.
Xbox Game Pass Subscribers Said to be Below Microsoft’s Target; 20 Million as of June 2021
Based on a recent financial filing by Microsoft, Xbox Game Pass subscribers were around 20 million as of June 2021, below Microsoft's targetwccftech.com
The FY is from June 2021 to July 2022 and that document says the subs increased by 28% since the 20 millions. That's 25.6 millions.Do you have the sub numbers as of July 2022 ? Post them.
It's 28% increase since June 2021 until July 2022. Do you not understand this whole thread or you're playing dumb?According to that article it's around 20m June/July 2021. 25~m around January this year. And we don't now what the actual sub number is right now since Jan 2022.
Until we get an actual up to date sub count, there's nothing to comment on the news.
The FY is from June 2021 to July 2022 and that document says the subs increased by 28% since the 20 millions. That's 25.6 millions.
It's 28% increase since June 2021 until July 2022. Do you not understand this whole thread or you're playing dumb?
25 million in 5 years at a very low cost is decent but it clearly isn't taking off like the next big thing
it's more accurate to say 25 million in 2.5 years. It doesn't make sense to pretend GP was a thing before then, Microsoft was barely promoting it
From day one with the "Netflix of Gaming" in every interview (guy does an interview every other week it seems), and the cheap promotions since launch.Where is the evidence Microsoft was heavily promoting GP before late 2019? I only remember BC and people saying the Xbox One was being turned around because of BC, barely anyone was talking about GP.
From day one with the "Netflix of Gaming" in every interview (guy does an interview every other week it seems), and the cheap promotions since launch.
Sorry pal but as soon as they announced in January 2018 that all first party games would hit Game Pass day one that’s when they pivoted to Game Pass being at the front and centre of their marketing. Maybe you only noticed in the last 2 years or so (this generation is 2 years old now) but they were banging the drum during the One S/X era, I should know, I re-bought a One S and subscribed to GP 2 years before the Series S launched.Where is the evidence Microsoft was heavily promoting GP before late 2019? I only remember BC and people saying the Xbox One was being turned around because of BC, barely anyone was talking about GP.
Is going to be dependent of two things:I actually like this new narrative that Xbox Game Pass isn't a massive success. I hope to see that energy next year.
I guess you know better than PhilI actually like this new narrative that Xbox Game Pass isn't a massive success. I hope to see that energy next year.
Sorry pal but as soon as they announced in January 2018 that all first party games would hit Game Pass day one that’s when they pivoted to Game Pass being at the front and centre of their marketing.
The number of subscribers doesn’t directly correlate with how much they spend on marketing.You're just going to ignore the numbers showing MS having 10M subs in 2020 and jumping to 25M at the start of this year? If everyone including people outside gaming forums were aware of GP and Microsoft was pushing it just as hard as now, why wasn't there a large increase in subs for the first 3 years of GP existence?
I guess you know better than Phil
Happy HalloweenThe % is based on finance, not number of subscribers and we already know not all subscribers pay the same amount of money. You're probably in that camp as well.
Unless you really think that there has been absolutely no increase in sub numbers from January to July, to which I don't think there is any way to convince you otherwise.
Barely promoting it? They were aggressive with their advertisement. They were even having a lot of 1 dollar promotional deals longer 3-4 years ago. lolit's more accurate to say 25 million in 2.5 years. It doesn't make sense to pretend GP was a thing before then, Microsoft was barely promoting it and it was only used to help with the renewed mindshare of the Xbox One. The problem is that had a limit since it was already near the end of the generation, and there were only so many people that would buy a One S or X with BC or GP that late in the game.
I'm talking about your comment about Gamepass being massive for 2023 and its futureShow me where Phil Spencer has suggested Game Pass hasn't been very successful for them. We getting into trolling territory now or what?
it's more accurate to say 25 million in 2.5 years. It doesn't make sense to pretend GP was a thing before then, Microsoft was barely promoting it and it was only used to help with the renewed mindshare of the Xbox One. The problem is that had a limit since it was already near the end of the generation, and there were only so many people that would buy a One S or X with BC or GP that late in the game.
Where is the evidence Microsoft was heavily promoting GP before late 2019? I only remember BC and people saying the Xbox One was being turned around because of BC, barely anyone was talking about GP.
From day one with the "Netflix of Gaming" in every interview (guy does an interview every other week it seems), and the cheap promotions since launch.
Has nothing to do with the exchange that was taking place. But, sure.Seems like those promotions work don’t they with still having growth
It looks like if gamepass is growing at all ots a success right? If Sony is losing subscribers on ps plus and Microsoft is growing in any shape or form that's got to be a positive for Microsoft that they are bucking the trend in a market where the leader is seeing negative growth?
Yeah, 28% growth is nothing to scoff about. The only thing it didn't do is meet daddy Satya's bonus goal.
But something tells me he's not gonna be struggling financially any time soon.
If it were losing subscribers that'd be something else tho.
The 28% is from June 2021 until June 30 2022. Sony PS+ numbers are from last quarter only (this summer - 3 months). PS+ also went from 46, 47 then up to 48 millions in the same period as GP.It looks like if gamepass is growing at all its a success right? If Sony is losing subscribers on ps plus and Microsoft is growing in any shape or form that's got to be a positive for Microsoft that they are bucking the trend in a market where the leader is seeing negative growth?
Has nothing to do with the exchange that was taking place. But, sure.
well as you said cheap promotions, it seems to of worked
You're on a roll, captain.So growth is good
It will always be a small segment of the gaming market.I actually like this new narrative that Xbox Game Pass isn't a massive success. I hope to see that energy next year.
I find this thread being bumped every few hours astoundingThe mental gymnastics in order to dismiss Phil Spencer's own words is kinda astounding.