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Axios (Stephen Totilo) Lawyers: Email proves Microsoft’s ABK bid is designed to elimination (Update: MS claims it was a "thought experiment")
bender
What time is it?
COVID taught Phil how to love though.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mate, I'm sorry but you're just arguing for arguments sake, I don't know how to accurately reply to your building metaphors.
I've said it in extremely clear words that this could have been about anything, without context and seeing the redacted comment we cannot say one way or the other.
But the one thing we *can* say is that the original reporting of the thing was not correct, even the article/twee author himself has apologized for wording it that way.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
Do painters next.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Maybe you don't know how to replky to my analogy because it perfectly explain MS intentions by buying zeni and ABK but it's Ok you always have trouble criticizing MS we all know it.
I feel like you'd still wouldn't understand what's obvious to anybody but you two.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Hey don’t forget the guy who made the tweet and got this all started, he also understands logic and reason. Feel free to post on his feed letting him know he’s wrong.
Topher
Identifies as young
No we can't say that. We haven't seen the email. Right? That was YOUR position.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
So showing that it is a general intention is not really supporting your point.
Because the whole yeah their intentions showed with Zenimax but totally won't happen with ABK is not really a strong point.
Topher
Identifies as young
That doesn't change what you said at all.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I appreciate that you value what I said so much, but the author of the article / tweet has said it was worded erroneously and has apologized for it.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It's okay fellas. They said they wanted to put Sony out of business in 2019. The two trillion dollar company has had a change of heart since then. Ignore the nearly 100 billion spent on acquisitions since then. That's not related at all!
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Don't you get it, having bad intention from the start means they had no bad intentions, they were supposed to have them during the talk and during each negociation.It is quite oibvious, like look in murder cases premeditation always gets lighter sentences right ?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So disingenuous.
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graywolf323
Member
you do realize Sony was working on the Move long before the Wii exists, they were talking about that tech during the PS2 days
and I’m not sure what your point about DS/3DS vs. PSP/Vita is since it’s not like Sony ever put in 3D or dual screens?
also Sony’s had second screen gaming stuff since the PS3 days BEFORE Wii U/Switch (I remember there being an app for Beyond: Two Souls on PS3…)
edit: found an interview where Dr. Richard Marks talks about this stuff and EyeToy on PS2
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MacReady13
Member
You know I hate to keep going on about this, I really do but, geez I wish we had the Microsoft from the 360 days (before Kinect). They were basically all about the console and the games. They had the best 3rd party versions of games. They were beating Sony at their own game. Why they tried this new angle with game pass and buying companies is beyond me. They have almost completely lost me with their bullshit now.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Of course it supports my point. A general strategy and a specific move are two different things, not to even mention the time gap. But this is all irrelevant now anyway, your head is so deep in the sand that the twitter guy who made the tweet that set this all off is literally spelling it out for you and you don’t want to listen.
Gobjuduck
Banned
Yes. When Jim Ryan said he wanted total mindshare, that only happens without Xbox and Nintendo.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
You are the one saying they have a strategy but since it is 3 years later time has passed....Guess what they plan years in advance.Do you think they aren't already researching next gen ?Just like you believe their aquisition is all about bringing games to more people I guess?
Topher
Identifies as young
I find it interesting that you don't put any value on your own words at all. What part of “they still can’t divulge the contents of the email” are you not understanding? And how can you personally reconcile that with your previous posts where you were so adamant?
If this claim is being made legally and Microsoft has already responded to the press clarifying a date why wouldn't they also outright deny it in their press response?
Also, making a claim like that in court is very easily proven wrong, so where the fuck is Microsoft’s legal team response other than to hide it?
My questions are rhetorical. Microsoft and their shills are all full of shit.
Also, making a claim like that in court is very easily proven wrong, so where the fuck is Microsoft’s legal team response other than to hide it?
My questions are rhetorical. Microsoft and their shills are all full of shit.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
The acquisition was to put themselves in a better position to compete and make a lot of money. I’ve said that already.
You were so eager to take the tweet as gospel and truth, the guy who made it has since come around to reality. Join him or continue living in Crazyland, the choice is yours, friend.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Hilarious
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't know why you're assuming my words about not knowing the redacted contents are different. We still don't know the exact contents of the email, we likely never will. It feels like you're less interested in discussing this change in context and more focused on trying to 'gotcha bitch' me in your last couple of posts.
The entire context of the thing reported as the primary talking point in the Acti acquisition, as the article originally reported, has changed now that we know this supposed email is from years before any Acti acquisition talks began in the first place. Totilo admitted it was worded inaccurately, he has apologized, let's move on.
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bender
What time is it?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Really ?Because you weren't saying that a few minutes ago.
Maybe the fact that there is only you and adam defending this should tell you how much the two are related.
Because you are the only 2 that don't make the connection.
But I'll just stop talking with you guys it is 4 am time to sleep maybe once you both have given this a deep thorough thinking you'll understand what is obvious to everyone else here.
{insert code here}
Member
Nintendo : 'Let's sell absurd amounts of Nintendo games.'
Sony: 'Let's sell the most hardware and games.'
MS: 'Let's be the only company selling hardware.'
Sony: 'Let's sell the most hardware and games.'
MS: 'Let's be the only company selling hardware.'
XesqueVara
Member
So all this fuss was for nothing? Tbh without knowing the content of the Email all of this it's just waste of time.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Bury Sony and better compete mean the same thing to me. Again, the end goal for all three of these companies is to dominate the others. Please tell me you understand this.
What exactly am I defending here? My position was that we don’t need email confirmation to know MS wants to bury Sony. They’re direct competitors. Then I found it funny that even though the guy who tweeted the email stuff later apologized and cleared up that it wasn’t related to ABK, some of you still can’t help yourselves.
Sweet dreams, let your brain rest. Be better, friend.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Correct. We don't know the exact contents of the supposed email, the only thing we know for sure is that it was written in 2019, long before the Acti merger was a thing. So a direct parallel between these two specific events cannot be drawn. The ABK bid was not designed as per the supposed email in 2019. The bid wasn't even a thing then.
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ZehDon
Member
Sweet, so they released the Move on the PS2 then. Or at least, surely before the Wii released. Right?
Nintendo established the handheld market, and Sony tried to muscle in using the same strategy it used in the home console space - the PS Vita established the pattern of Sony's handheld strategy. Sony chased Nintendo where Nintendo found success.
You're thinking of tablet-based ancillary second-screen gaming. I'm referring to the ability to play the same game on a TV or a second screen, like the Wii U / Switch established.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Defending? None of us know what is in the email, there is nothing to 'defend'.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
GHG
Gold Member
I haven't seen Blumblebee work this hard since the release of Bleeding Edge.
Topher
Identifies as young
We "know for sure" because Microsoft told us so. Yes....of course, NOW that makes it factual.
GHG
Gold Member
Is this a joke question?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We "know for sure" because Microsoft told us so. Yes....of course, NOW that makes it factual.
Fair enough, we know via MS reps replying on the matter.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
We know that is what a Microsoft rep said. Nothing more.
By buying Bethesda and Activision Blizzard King (possibly others) and making their content exclusive to Xbox.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I love that I’ll always have a spot in your mind rent free because I dared suggest once that Bleeding Edge was a fun little game
I want
GHG
's gamer tag so I can 1v1 him in Bleeding EdgeI don't even know what kind of game it is
unlurkified
Member
Yeah but can they really eventually put PS out of business with the AB purchase? Seems unlikely to me. Losing CoD is huge, but not back-breaking. All the other AB franchises aren’t big enough, maybe with the exception of Diablo, but that’s only a once in a decade+ release.
GHG
Gold Member
I love that I’ll always have a spot in your mind rent free because I dared suggest once that Bleeding Edge was a fun little game
I'll still fight you over this so don't even...
Thirty7ven
Banned
It would really damage them, hard. A lot of profit there yearly, like a lot lot.
Put them out of business? In some respects, maybe. Basically trying to take PlayStation out of the multiplayer scene. There’s a domino effect here, and most of the people who think Sony can just go get that money somewhere else are probably the ones used to daddy MS bailing Xbox over and over again. But just like we’ve seen with Xbox, you might find the money but the audience might still go missing.
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Xbox couldn't. MS on the other hand...
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Arena hero brawler? It’s a tough game to describe.
