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Batman: Arkham Knight |OT| Protect Gotham Racing
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The ones in Ubisoft games aren't?
The core gameplay mechanics may be stronger, but the side missions are all just variations on the same handful of gameplay activities scattered across the map.
None of this changes the basic mission structure of the open world, only how it is unlocked/revealed (story milestones replace tower climbing).
Pretty much all of the side missions are doing the same activity multiple times and something different once (usually at the end).
They are very cookie cutter.
The series has been tilting more and more toward Ubisoft's style as it goes along. City to Origins to Knight. Less unique events, more repetitive gameplay. I don't count Riddler puzzles toward this, but trophies and towers are pretty big offenders.
Unlike Ubisoft games they don't bloat it up to excess and know when to stop before it gets too tedious. But I wouldn't want it to be taken any further than Knight.
Unlike Ubisoft games they don't bloat it up to excess and know when to stop before it gets too tedious. But I wouldn't want it to be taken any further than Knight.
void_if_removed
Neo Member
So, this is the game I've been most excited about for the last year, I absolutely loved the first 2, preordered this, and finally got to play it last night.
After about an hour I didn't really want to play anymore - am I crazy? I totally dismissed all the batmobile whining beforehand, but after spending 80% of my first hour in the damn thing I'm just bored as hell. I want to be soaring through the skies, demolishing 20 armed thugs and executing stealth takedowns. Not... whatever this is.
Please, reassure me it gets better, because this is the most disappointed I've been with a game since Colonial Marines.
After about an hour I didn't really want to play anymore - am I crazy? I totally dismissed all the batmobile whining beforehand, but after spending 80% of my first hour in the damn thing I'm just bored as hell. I want to be soaring through the skies, demolishing 20 armed thugs and executing stealth takedowns. Not... whatever this is.
Please, reassure me it gets better, because this is the most disappointed I've been with a game since Colonial Marines.
Spring-Loaded
Member
There really are surprises up until the very end, imo. Even the 100% result/ending could be substantial.
I disagree that they are like Ubisoft. The towers specifically range from combat encounters, to stealth encounters and there are even some that are more puzzle based than anything.
Same with the Riddler stuff. The closest I think it gets is the hidden trophies.
the_batman
Banned
all of this points to a future post of you saying how amazing the game is and how wrong you were in the beginning.
Judging by your complaints it'll get better, then it'll get worse.
You'll definitely get your stealth takedown fix sooner rather than later, but soon after that you'll have a lot more Batmobile.
Mix towers with fireman hostages and that's a pretty even split of combat and predator encounters. They're not bad, there's just not a lot of variety even if a few have a twist with sentry guns.
And then there's the mines. At least combat and predator are great gameplay, that's literally just go to a location and fight a mob in your batmobile.
Zank Frappa
Banned
AS much as I hate to tell you this.. but it gets worse, yes.
I enjoyed the game, but if the batmobile was limited to 2/3 missions at most, it would beat Asylum for me. Right now, even City is better than Knight imo.
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It's not better or worse per se, it's just different. Kind of a moot point since either dialogue is completely unique, not just variations, so you're still getting something out of going either way.
Hmm, alright. Thanks for the input! I guess I'll just focus a little more on the story than usual and be a little more likely to leave things for later if I feel like it.
There's plenty of repetition. It's all so dull, go to area, destroy bad guys, go to tower, destroy bad guys. Everything is so faceless. So disappointed in this game so far, worst in the series.
My smash & grab record so far, still trying to figure out how to get into low-mid 20".
The game is incredibly varied.
Fighting
Tank combat
Dual fighting
Predator stealth (even a dual predator stealth section)
Batmobile stealth
Gliding traversal/Batmobile traversal
Simple detective work
Puzzles
Races/Pursuits
AR challenges
And the side quests mix up the above a little.
Every action game has repetition, but this one is not what you could call repetitive in the negative, imo.
I disagree, again it's the Ubisoft problem, copy and paste template from the past games. Brilliant if you haven't done most of these before, dull if you have. I think I'm more disappointed in the lack of villains and then see there are going to be SIX of them in a DLC pack.
He is fantastic and his character redesign is amazing. He looks like a fucking Sith Lord. Him and the Arkham Knight reminded me of Palpatine and Vader.
It may look like an ubisoft template at a glance, but it's much less repetitive because they add interesting character interactions to each side quest (helps that batman villains are awesome) and the main filler stuff is much more interesting than the ubisoft collectathon filler as you actually have to solve puzzles to pick up the items.
It's not just cut and paste from their previous games. Or course it's going to have the same elements, it's part of a series, but this game adds more than enough to meaningfully differentiate it. All three games have a very specific feel.
I thought I'd be getting Batman fatigue at his point, but they definitely knew that could happen which is no doubt a reason this game has had so much added and refined.
And you should count the number of villains, there's more than enough.
none of them used properly. they're all just "framing" for formulaic sidequests.
3
races
firefly
predator scenes
two-face
brawls with nightwing
penguin
sneaky tank battle
deadshot
there's no story arc, really. It's just the same basic challenge at slightly increasing difficulty.
keltickennedy
Member
I would say it was dull if the mechanics weren't super strong. Every new tower I had to takedown to firefighter I had to save I was thinking about different ways to approach it, planning ahead, what weapons and I going to disrupt, ammo crate I am going to booby trap. And most importantly, how high can I get my combo and how stylish can I look while doing it.
But yeah.... If I was the sort of player just gliding around to the next side mission and punch punch punching my way through everything I would get pretty bored too.
MiamiWesker
Member
Pretty much this. I understand the repetition of the batmobile moments as there are not many options in battle but everything else is designed in amazing fashion. These are the best predator maps, the bests combat fights. There are some genius riddler puzzles. Riddler challenges offer incredible variety.
This game is one of the best designed games I have played in a long time.
TimorousPanda
Member
Wasn't that against
Deathstroke
william_557
Member
Major spoilers!
what happens in the hush side mission if you complete the story first? (as in already revealed yourself as bruce wayne to the world)
yeah, i always mix up these 2, my bad.
i don't think that you can break the sequence like that. It'll kinda force you into checking up on
Lucius at Wayne Tower
The same thing, mostly.
They are isolated in Wayne Tower, with no access to the news. So after Batman helps Lucius he says "So I take it you didn't see the news" or something like that. Then they discuss how the secret is out there now.
No idea but i bet they just taunt you about it like the "civilian" people do.
oh, interesting.
crackhead_bob
Member
I know that this game is only a week old, but is there any chance that Rocksteady could offer a patch that brings back the old gadget select format? The radial wheel really takes you out of the mood and seems so unnecessary. Remap the most wanted missions onto the select button. As awkward a placement as the select button is, I'm really finding the gadget wheel to be annoying, especially during the predator encounters.
Is anyone else feeling the same way?
I wonder how the hardcore fanbase at Arkhamverse.com is feeling about this as well, as they're quite vocal. I hope that Rocksteady is aware of this on some level.
Is anyone else feeling the same way?
I wonder how the hardcore fanbase at Arkhamverse.com is feeling about this as well, as they're quite vocal. I hope that Rocksteady is aware of this on some level.
DrGonzo615
Banned
Beat the game last night, have a couple gameplay and non-spoilery questions
-Do they ever explain how Arkham Knight can afford an army? I mustve missed it
-Can you still do the old takedown where you pull a guy over the ledge? I was never able to do it.
-Sometimes when I would do the move where you pick an enemy off the ground for the beatdown Batman would just power bomb the guy into the pavement. Is there a specific way to do this? Or is it dependent on how much health the guy has?
-Do they ever explain how Arkham Knight can afford an army? I mustve missed it
-Can you still do the old takedown where you pull a guy over the ledge? I was never able to do it.
-Sometimes when I would do the move where you pick an enemy off the ground for the beatdown Batman would just power bomb the guy into the pavement. Is there a specific way to do this? Or is it dependent on how much health the guy has?
bodyofanamerican
Member
Just beat the
boss fight. Not as bad as posts in this thread lead me to believe (I had to try the first section maybe 3 times, the second section maybe 5?), but I honestly don't know why Rocksteady thought that was fun/good design.
The part where the boss
right after you
is just bullshit.
edit:
I think that's actually
, no?
Cloudburst
The part where the boss
aggressively chases you
hit him
edit:
I think that's actually
Arkham Asylum
Simo
Member
"Be the Batman". They weren't lying. My play through every night pretty much has me grappling to the rooftops and then using Detective Mode to find clues or intel near for the side missions or just to locate a riot or "green" persons of interest and then gliding and swan bombing them taking them out in fucking cool fashion before calling in the Batmobile and jetting off to another location or doing a side or main mission.
This is nearly the perfect Batman simulator and say nearly because there's no cave. I wish they would of included it and access via a quick travel option (I mean you can see
. That way you could a in-game way of accessing the vaults and changing your suit/skin without going to the menu, training module for practicing your moves and abilities as you unlock them...pretty much the stuff you could do in Arkham Origin's Batcave.
There really do a great job with the detective work in the game but it would of been even cooler if they worked out a way, especially for the side missions/Most Wanted, where getting these clues and information required you to go the cave and solve the information there. I have to say Batman & Robin: The Videogame had little going for it but one of the things I did like was finding clues and then going to the cave to figure them out and pin point the next location Freeze would attack that you could prevent if you got there first or moving along the story.
This is nearly the perfect Batman simulator and say nearly because there's no cave. I wish they would of included it and access via a quick travel option (I mean you can see
Wayne Manor in the distance and the Batwing could be a story explanation of how you get there and back.
There really do a great job with the detective work in the game but it would of been even cooler if they worked out a way, especially for the side missions/Most Wanted, where getting these clues and information required you to go the cave and solve the information there. I have to say Batman & Robin: The Videogame had little going for it but one of the things I did like was finding clues and then going to the cave to figure them out and pin point the next location Freeze would attack that you could prevent if you got there first or moving along the story.
keltickennedy
Member
Same here. I was really surprised they didn't have it in there. They kind of teased it in the first CG trailer and then hell, they even showed it in one of the more recent trailers...
keltickennedy
Member
Maybe, but i doubt it. I think it is just one of the many things they did with the trailers to throw people off and help not spoil things.
Teleporter
Junior Member
Hey guys all my sweetfx, reshades and MasterEffects are crashing my game now, i got this Dxgi.dll crash prompt, weird thing it use to work like 3 days ago... Anyone have a nice reshade link to share? Thanks a lot... And what a great game this is!
Not revealed yet, all information tells he came to the fold with the army in tow, so it must be someone behind the scenes. LoS? Lexcorp? Maybe someone with another long term plan for Gotham.
I think so. Pretty sure i used it once, but I didn't try again.
Will check when home if no one has answered.
L2+Triangle is smash
L2+Circle is pick up
For ds4, translate to your controller of choice.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I hope that the Batmobile stealth part before
is the worst of those sections. It wasn't that bad, but I died with one Cobra left and repeating it was pretty annoying.
I also managed to die during the part where
. That was fucking awesome, possibly one of my favorite moments in the series.
This game seems heavy on moments like this and light as hell on actual boss fights. I'm not sure how I feel about this because the series has had some excellent boss fights in the past, and some not so great ones.
scarecrow releases cloudburst
I also managed to die during the part where
Joker sings and Robin defuses the bombs
This game seems heavy on moments like this and light as hell on actual boss fights. I'm not sure how I feel about this because the series has had some excellent boss fights in the past, and some not so great ones.
I need help. I'm trying to get the Riddler Trophy on Bleake Island that requires the Forensics Scanner from the Batmobile. It's to the right of where you pull the Batmobile onto the roof of a building using the Power Winch. I've already watched two videos of people using the scanner and following the question marks on the ground, leading them to the trophy. However, NOTHING appears in my game. I've reset the game multiples times and there are absolutely no Riddler question marks appearing on the ground.
Can anyone help? It's absolutely infuriating. I hope it's not a glitch in my game.
Can anyone help? It's absolutely infuriating. I hope it's not a glitch in my game.
It isn't.
Scarecrow convinced Harley, Two Face, and Penguin to come up with 3 billion dollars, so that the Arkham Knight can fund his army. You find this out through a taped conversation with Scarecrow.
Those type of Riddler trophies have a sort of power winch thing that starts the whole forensic scanner trail. Basically, you need to look for what looks like a Green target symbol sign on a wall, once you're at the Wall get in the Batmobile, get into Battlemode and start the forensic scanner. You should start seeing green question marks appear then, follow them to the end target which is usually a weakened wall you have to shoot.