I was paging through the Art of Book which I received a few days ago (ordered it a few weeks ago) to see if there was any hint of scenes that would be in the director's cut, and the only thing I saw was a few set pictures of Lois in an Apartment that covered in anti-superman markings and pictures scribbled all over the wall. So I guess there is a scene where she visits the Apartment of Scooty McWheelchair
Batman > Superman: Dawn of Justice |OT| Enter the Knightmare
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Scientist Supreme!
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Well, I just got out and that has to be most perplexing/interesting pieces of garbage I have ever seen.As some critics have said, it beats you down until you start begging for it to be over.It's quite an accomplishment to snuff out the heroism in this characters and ultimately make me hate them. It truly is the worst movie I have ever seen.
Anton Sugar
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Honestly, it wasn't nearly as bad as thought it would be. Complete mess thematically and storytelling wise, but I enjoyed it about as much as I did MoS. Maybe more. 6/10 for me, same as I'd give MoS.
MurkyZebra2417
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I liked it. But I like pretty much every Snyder movie.Would definetly recommend seeing it to my friends!
I've always said that it's harder to do DC characters in live-action films.
And now you see it.
If Snyder directed a GOTG/Ant-Man movie would it be this hated on?
I'm not saying it will be gone completely, but I am saying that they seem to be playing with it by introducing characters in shows/movies that are not specifically about them, handling the origin story nonlinearly, and overall shortening the origin story dramatically.
For more obscure characters, like Ant-Man and Dr. Strange, sure an origin story may be needed, but even the more obscure characters like Guardians of the Galaxy had a fairly short backstory before getting to the action or made the action part of the backstory.
I saw this yesterday. I went in with rock-bottom expectations and it definitely wasn't the disaster that it had been made out to be. Random thoughts:
+The script was surprisingly competent. Lots of setups and payoffs. Maybe too much world-building but I enjoyed all of those elements personally.
+Some amazing action sequences. I loved the Batmobile sequence, the Batman-Superman fights, and the Batman infiltration sequence. Wonder Woman's combat was great as well.
-A totally joyless experience. I definitely like the mix of action/comedy/drama in the marvel films more than these recent DC films. Even Winter Soldier had its share of lighter moments. I liked what this movie did, but it just wasn't that fun of a theater-going experience of me.
+The script was surprisingly competent. Lots of setups and payoffs. Maybe too much world-building but I enjoyed all of those elements personally.
+Some amazing action sequences. I loved the Batmobile sequence, the Batman-Superman fights, and the Batman infiltration sequence. Wonder Woman's combat was great as well.
-A totally joyless experience. I definitely like the mix of action/comedy/drama in the marvel films more than these recent DC films. Even Winter Soldier had its share of lighter moments. I liked what this movie did, but it just wasn't that fun of a theater-going experience of me.
This isn't Snyder's version this is Frank Miller's, suit and all.
And hope to see more live-action Frank Miller Batman. I expect The Batman that Affleck is supposed to star and direct in, will be more of this
Except for all that death.
Frank Miller's Batman new game +
glaringradio
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What an utterly shit film. I actually kind of wish they had made it a 15 instead of a 12A, because I saw loads and loads of kids in the screening I was in with their dads/mums because it was Easter weekend, lord knows what they thought of this film going into it thinking "oh boy, I love superheroes! I get to see two of my favourites on screen!"
exmachina64
Banned
After sleeping on it, I'd still probably rate it as 6 or 7 out of 10 -- a mindless action film.
How is it? I've been thinking about buying it.
How is it? I've been thinking about buying it.
This movie had some problems. I'd rate it at 4.5-5. Disappointingly average with a couple redeeming moments, but overall I would definitely say that my experience with the movie was not a joyful one. I don't go to the theaters often. In fact, I maybe average less than 5 movies there a year. So when I go I want it to be good, and I don't think I got that with this movie.
I'm not exactly a DC comics guy but I've absorbed the cartoons and other movies in the past from them and I just plain hate the characterizations of Batman and Superman in this universe. Others might like the different take, but it's not for me. It was just an utter joyless and not really entertaining experience for me and my old man (who absolutely hated it btw).
Might write up something in the spoilers thread, but it will just end up being a retread of what many others have already said. So whatever. I need a nap after watching this. Give this movie some time to digest.
I'm not exactly a DC comics guy but I've absorbed the cartoons and other movies in the past from them and I just plain hate the characterizations of Batman and Superman in this universe. Others might like the different take, but it's not for me. It was just an utter joyless and not really entertaining experience for me and my old man (who absolutely hated it btw).
Might write up something in the spoilers thread, but it will just end up being a retread of what many others have already said. So whatever. I need a nap after watching this. Give this movie some time to digest.
bob_arctor
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Just got out. Me and family really liked it! I definitely see its issues (especially the pacing of the aftermath/ending) but it was really easy to follow, so the complaints about scene jumps never materialized for me. I think it laid down a solid foundation for the Justice League and I look forward to the next movie.
Wondy was great.
Supes got beat up too much.
Bats was brutal.
Lex was mostly good for me. I sort of took him as a "the son trying so hard to live up to his father's legacy"--his father being the classic comic book Lex we all know--so that, for me, explained his quirks as they came off as insecurity/overcompensating.
Oh, and the complaints about
halting the pace were completely off base imo. Didn't bother me at all.
Wondy was great.
Supes got beat up too much.
Bats was brutal.
Lex was mostly good for me. I sort of took him as a "the son trying so hard to live up to his father's legacy"--his father being the classic comic book Lex we all know--so that, for me, explained his quirks as they came off as insecurity/overcompensating.
Oh, and the complaints about
email JL clips
Davey Cakes
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I honestly think the movie laid a flimsy foundation for the Justice League/DCU, and I say this as someone who was a bit aggravated by how Marvel set up The Avengers with a string of marketing-driven, average superhero movies.
I am 0% excited for anything DC related except maybe Wonder Woman if they actually attempt to have fun with it.
I am 0% excited for anything DC related except maybe Wonder Woman if they actually attempt to have fun with it.
Just got back from seeing it. I was entertained enough.
The beginning half of the movie dragged on a ton ... could have dealt with less lovey dovey Lois / Supes stuff in a dark movie ... but it was decent enough.
I'm all for the darker tone of the movie though. Can see how some people would not be.
Enjoyed Batfleck the most.
The beginning half of the movie dragged on a ton ... could have dealt with less lovey dovey Lois / Supes stuff in a dark movie ... but it was decent enough.
I'm all for the darker tone of the movie though. Can see how some people would not be.
Enjoyed Batfleck the most.
My impresions from my second viewing here..
While the editing sucks pre-fight (I was legit like "WTF" for the first hour or so, and I'm not one to notice these things) it's a story worth telling and tbh, it reaches great highs when it hits. I like it now. Larry Fong da gawd btw
People should not hate this movie.it has a heart. Go see it.
While the editing sucks pre-fight (I was legit like "WTF" for the first hour or so, and I'm not one to notice these things) it's a story worth telling and tbh, it reaches great highs when it hits. I like it now. Larry Fong da gawd btw
People should not hate this movie.it has a heart. Go see it.
crazyrabbits
Banned
They interrupt the rising tension of Bruce going to
save Martha
I wasn't. Plot lines were easy to follow. All this 'OMG it was so confusing!?!' amazes me.
My wife - who if pushed is an MCU fangirl - really enjoyed it, just said it was 20m too long, which I agree with.
But then she also went into Watchmen with no prior and got the story and its meaning straight off the bat, abd understood The Architect's monologue in Reloaded, which is more than about 80% of the cinema going population.
Snyder wouldn't be allowed within 50ft of a marvel movie. Not even the Hawkeye one.
ShemhazaiX
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Yeah, this confuses me as well. People keep asking what Lex's motivations are, and why such and such happens. It's really not that hard to follow at all.
Didn't get the Civil War trailer, but my biggest applause came at the end of the LEGO Batman trailer (which isn't saying much. Maybe a quarter of the audience clapped at it, whereas Wonder Woman's entrance got maybe four or five claps.)
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
how graphic is it, in terms of on-screen violence, blood, gore, torture, etc? I'm sure its not bad given the rating, but scenes of extreme intensity count.
this effects who i'm able to see it with... thanks in advance!
Any particular scenes to watch out for?
this effects who i'm able to see it with... thanks in advance!
Any particular scenes to watch out for?
Probably? Seems like the root issue for a lot of people is Snyder's vision for how these characters should be and how the story should play out, not the franchises themselves.
In my theater it was when Wonder Woman showed up, people really seemed to like the movie overall.
There was also a big applause for Suicide Squade.
Pilgrimzero
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Batman outright killing criminals is just the evolution of Nolans Batman. He's just 20 years bitter now.
Also keeping in mind that the old Batman movies he killed as well
Movie Batman kills people. Comic Batman doesn't.
Also keeping in mind that the old Batman movies he killed as well
Movie Batman kills people. Comic Batman doesn't.
Nolan's Batman may have killed when the situation absolutely called for it, but he still followed a no-kill code as much as possible. It's a pretty pivotal element of TDK.
That code seemingly doesn't exist for Keaton's or Affleck's Batman. It would be one thing if Batman said "I don't know kill" but was forced to for some reason, but it's another when he kills and doesn't seem to have any qualms about it.
Pilgrimzero
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In the first Nolan film he literally choose to not save Ras al Ghul. Pretty un-Batman thing to do.
But as I said, it's Nolan Batmam 20 years later. After the loss of a Robin.
It's generally grim, but I can't remember any particularly graphic scenes. There's a lot of violence, but I can't really think of a great deal of it that's of a graphic nature. A ton of people get killed, but it's not like you see bullet-wounds, for instance.
You might want a second opinion on that, though.
Not the same universe, not the same Batman. I never liked those Nolan Bat films. Don't try to attach it to this.
What I love is this:
Comment: 'Snyder has no subtlety, he lays out the plot and imagery with a trowel & hammer.'
In movie: character has monologue where he explicitly clarifies his motivation.
Comment: 'Snyder makes movies that are confusing and hard to follow, with characters who are lacking in motivation.'
...and the thing is, these same people miss something genuinely different. The best example is the whole Brave New World theme in MoS. Zod isn't doing what he's doing for pantomime bad guy reasons of power hunger, vanity & glory - he's doing it because he is biologically compelled to behave the way he does, thanks to the way Krypton decided to manage its people.
I read a lot of the crits of MoS, and only found one reference to this, so I have to wonder sometimes if people actually bother paying attention to what's being said, or just running the criticism they intend on making while watching the film.
Arkos
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Saw it this morning. I enjoyed it, believe it or not.
I think it was about on par with Age of Ultron. But I had higher expectations for AoU, and lower for BvS, so I think I enjoyed BvS more lol.
It's no beauty. It is what it is. But it was a decent distraction.
I think it was about on par with Age of Ultron. But I had higher expectations for AoU, and lower for BvS, so I think I enjoyed BvS more lol.
It's no beauty. It is what it is. But it was a decent distraction.
roflwaffles
Member
Not as much as those aren't nearly as loved properties. But critically yes.
Honestly, this isn't that bad. Everything from
to the end is solid popcorn movie, though all the stuff before that is pretty meh. Like others have said, it takes awhile to get going, has weird editing, and, imo, fails to make us care about the characters, which is a problem Man of Steel had also. That said, I do like the arc they're giving Supes
, and Bats gets decent development too, which will hopefully go a long way towards making them more appealing characters in future DCEU flicks. There's still plenty of opportunities to right this series going into Justice League, I just hope the crew makes use of those opportunities.
and Wondy is great
Lex's scene with Lois on top of the building
he wants to be a good hero, and having him sacrifice himself at the end is a good step towards that
and Wondy is great
Davey Cakes
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A second viewing would be fucking torture. No thanks.
The last movie I saw twice (The Force Awakens) benefited from a second viewing, but after the first viewing I liked the movie and already wanted to see it again after the initial hype died down.
BvS just isn't for everybody, period. It's for a small niche, though it's being advertised to everyone.
The last movie I saw twice (The Force Awakens) benefited from a second viewing, but after the first viewing I liked the movie and already wanted to see it again after the initial hype died down.
BvS just isn't for everybody, period. It's for a small niche, though it's being advertised to everyone.
I remeber how people complained about Batman being out of character for doing something similar in the first Batman Superman TAS crossover back in the 90s.
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Just come back from imax screening. Boy where to start. Never have I loved and loathed a movie as much as this in recent years.
Good things first:
+ the first 35 min or so is probably the best of any comic book movie. Period. I so wish it could have carried on like that. Loved the political and philosophical themes. If it had carried on like that it would be nominated for Oscar. Not boring at all.
+ Ben Affleck is just the perfect Bruce Wayne. Born to play it. Batman though is a bit iffy as discussuong it here would be spoiler.
+ eisneberg really gave all he had. Outstanding acting but whether it is the character of Luthor he plays is up for debate.
+ The last 5min. Setting up justice league and cameos for future is just nerdgasm for DC fan.
+ some surprising stuff here that is genuinely new to the CBM genre. Also top cinematography.
Negatives:
- oh man does the final act turn to shit. Its like a free for all. If your thought of age of ultron climax was bad this matches it and then some. Just CGI and incoherent destruction.
- plot takes a nosedive for convulted reasons on batman v superman.
- one particular ending could have been done even better. More heroic.
Just come back from imax screening. Boy where to start. Never have I loved and loathed a movie as much as this in recent years.
Good things first:
+ the first 35 min or so is probably the best of any comic book movie. Period. I so wish it could have carried on like that. Loved the political and philosophical themes. If it had carried on like that it would be nominated for Oscar. Not boring at all.
+ Ben Affleck is just the perfect Bruce Wayne. Born to play it. Batman though is a bit iffy as discussuong it here would be spoiler.
+ eisneberg really gave all he had. Outstanding acting but whether it is the character of Luthor he plays is up for debate.
+ The last 5min. Setting up justice league and cameos for future is just nerdgasm for DC fan.
+ some surprising stuff here that is genuinely new to the CBM genre. Also top cinematography.
Negatives:
- oh man does the final act turn to shit. Its like a free for all. If your thought of age of ultron climax was bad this matches it and then some. Just CGI and incoherent destruction.
- plot takes a nosedive for convulted reasons on batman v superman.
- one particular ending could have been done even better. More heroic.
Had to see it again with the GF today (who is a much bigger DC fan than I am). Man, was she not happy. I had warned her about deviations beforehand but still, she was pretty heated lol. Neither of us get the timeline of Batman he was going for (despite it being older Batman) either since the dumbass took refs from different age Batman's, which didn't line up with what was being shown. He really doesn't understand the character at all. I get he put them in there because they were cool, but fuck. Context is everything. When I told her that he researched Batman on youtube to justify his choices, she was like yeah it totally makes sense now.
Though overall she agreed with me that Batfleck and Alfred were solid (outside of you know) and she liked Wonder Woman. Still not sold on rather she can carry her own film, though. We busted a gut during the other team members introductions (like really lol). There's just so much half-assed shit in this movie. It could have been so much better, and shorter. Fuck. Some of the scenes literally made no sense. Why show them when you literally would null and void the point right after? What impact were you looking for? Time wasting? Ugh. Save us Suicide Squad.
Though overall she agreed with me that Batfleck and Alfred were solid (outside of you know) and she liked Wonder Woman. Still not sold on rather she can carry her own film, though. We busted a gut during the other team members introductions (like really lol). There's just so much half-assed shit in this movie. It could have been so much better, and shorter. Fuck. Some of the scenes literally made no sense. Why show them when you literally would null and void the point right after? What impact were you looking for? Time wasting? Ugh. Save us Suicide Squad.
ArtHands
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Its probably the most disappointing superhero movie in the recent years.
I get that DC wants to be different, but that has really harmed the movie. Those JL reference shit should have been a post credit since they have no real relationship with the main plot. hell they could have present them better.
Also, Superman should have a sequel first to settle the Doomsday/Lex Luthor rivalry more and also build up the public resentment thing (which btw, was totally abandoned right after Bat/Sup start fighting).
I get that DC wants to be different, but that has really harmed the movie. Those JL reference shit should have been a post credit since they have no real relationship with the main plot. hell they could have present them better.
Also, Superman should have a sequel first to settle the Doomsday/Lex Luthor rivalry more and also build up the public resentment thing (which btw, was totally abandoned right after Bat/Sup start fighting).
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