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[Veelk]

True. I am a fan of Joker's attire outside of the 'Damaged', and to a lesser degree the rest of his tattoos.

The rest of the Suicide Squad ... eh. Deathstroke's mask is a dud, for instance.

I'm ambivalent about it. I feel a costume is also important to how it's used in the movie it's in. Captain America in Avengers doesn't look aesthetically good, but in terms of how it resonates with his character (and Phil Coulson, who designed it), it looking slightly goofy is a small sacrifice for the distinct visual narrative design. Same thing in Winter Soldier where he abandons his modern uniform, which looks arguably better, for his old WW2 one.

So as such, I'm willing to wait and see how they are handled in the actual movie. Like, Croc looks a bit wierd to me, but maybe they'll pull it off in motion. I think Katana and Enchantress look pretty good though.

And as for the new Joker...tattooes (all of them, not just damaged) and the grill in his teeth aside, I like it, but I liked Heath Ledgers better. It's definitely unique, it's definitely going for it's own thing seperate from the other jokers, and I'll see where that goes. But for now, it's mostly just a "I'll give it a chance"

though the trailers haven't sold him on me AT ALL

 

[FeD.nL]

I can't remember which outlet reported it, but they were alluding that Bruce would develop the 'final' Flash suit during the film with Barry.

 

[Fezan]

I still haven't seen my favorite batman moment gif'd the moment where cop sees batman and he crawls on the roof as if something has possessed him

 

[MisterHero]

Questioning WW's intentions is weird considering she came back to fight against Doomsday. Themyscira may have ditched Earth, but that doesn't mean she was unwilling to come save Earth in their time of need (which has been a point of conflict in the comics). Aquaman may be a more cynical character, but it remains to be seen. Flash in terms of pure power has the most potential in terms of doing a lot offensively as well as defensively, so he's definitely a good candidate to take on Superman-tier threats. Cyborg remains to be seen.

Also, the moral center argument would be much stronger if Superman actually had his own morals.

She came back just like Batman decided to team with Supes. They are all capable characters, but they still have different priorities.

Wonder Woman wants to resolve conflicts with combat.

Batman, in his redeemed state, would rather think his way out of fighting. Against characters like Doomsday, it may be all he can do. He can command the League and be as effective as any of them.

Superman sacrificing himself makes him the moral center. BvS is chock full of moral ambiguity, but Superman chooses the lives of humans (even Lex) over his own. That's the only decision that matters in violent conflicts.

While I claim he will be the moral center, his ideal isn't perfect either. All the heroes would be dead if sacrifice could be applied anytime.

 

[brochiller]

Jesus christ, what an awful awful film.

Hated it. Such a boring film, the fight scenes were awful, repetitive and felt rehashed.

Can't even stand it.

So are people actually buying a film they've never seen before? I always rent but afaik it's not available to rent yet.

 

[xxracerxx]

So are people actually buying a film they've never seen before? I always rent but afaik it's not available to rent yet.

Some people do that, yes.

 

[IconGrist]

I've never seen the term rehashed used to describe the fights in BvS. I'm curious what was rehashed.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

So are people actually buying a film they've never seen before? I always rent but afaik it's not available to rent yet.

Saw it at a coworkers. Invited me over for Canada Day. He really likes it for some reason.

 

[Veelk]

I've never seen the term rehashed used to describe the fights in BvS. I'm curious what was rehashed.

cougharkhamgamescough

 

[Ahasverus]

cougharkhamgamescough

So a first in live action. Great.

 

[IconGrist]

cougharkhamgamescough

He said scenes. Plural.

 

[Bob White]

“We had a version that we talked about where [Superman] just—this isn’t it, but where he got frozen and shot into space or something, so he’s kinda gone. Because one of the big things I wanted to make sure of was that as we went into Justice League, Bruce Wayne was the one who was gathering the Justice League. I thought it was really important to have Bruce Wayne be the samurai who goes and finds the other samurai, that to me was important. And with Superman around it’s kinda hard, because Superman’s Superman so it’s kinda hard for Bruce to be like, ‘Yeah I wanna put a Justice League together’. It’s like, ‘Okay, but maybe Superman should be doing that. You’re just a guy. You’re a cool guy, don’t get me wrong, but you’re just a guy.’”

holy hell...fire this man now

 

[Veelk]

He said scenes. Plural.

The other is probably referring to the BvS fight, which is structurally very similar to TDKR. The armored batsuit design, the sound wave attack, the kryptonite turnabout, the demeaning speech, etc. If any fight here is worthy of being labeled a rehash, it's this. It did NOTHING original.

Doomsday fight isn't derivative of anything in particular I don't think, but it's very generic. Doomsday sucks.

The batmobile sequence is also very akin to the Arkham Knight movement, but that bothers me less than the fact that it's really poorly shot imo.

 

[bob_arctor]

cougharkhamgamescough

This in reference to the Bats warehouse battle? So either most of the audience doesn't know that and loved it, and if they did, they geeked the fuck out over it on top of loving it. Except for the few and far between claiming "rehash."

Therearedozensofus.gif

 

[Veelk]

This in reference to the Bats warehouse battle? So either most of the audience doesn't know that and loved it, and if they did, they geeked the fuck out over it on top of loving it. Except for the few and far between claiming "rehash."

Therearedozensofus.gif

Which would be relevant if this movie was being elected to some kind of position via a vote. I don't mind if others like it. From a pure spectacle perspective, it's not that bad and certainly the best fight scene the film offers.

I just don't personally credit it's creation to Snyder, but Rocksteady. I'm not even the one calling it a rehash, I call it plagiarism.

 

[JB1981]

Watched the movie twice now. I like this movie. There are things about it I would change but overall I like the movie and find it interesting. That is all. Resume Veelk

 

[IconGrist]

Which would be relevant if this movie was being elected to some kind of position via a vote. I don't mind if others like it. From a pure spectacle perspective, it's not that bad and certainly the best fight scene the film offers.

I just don't personally credit it's creation to Snyder, but Rocksteady. I'm not even the one calling it a rehash, I call it plagiarism.

I don't think you're aware of the full definition of the word then. Did Snyder somewhere claim that Batman's fighting style in BvS was his idea?

 

[Veelk]

I don't think you're aware of the full definition of the word then. Did Snyder somewhere claim that Batman's fighting style in BvS was his idea?

I'm not a lawyer, so I only mean the term colloquially. So I think you know what I actually mean by the term.

When I say "fuck this movie", it's not a declaration for people to have sexual intercourse with BvS either.

 

[IconGrist]

I'm not a lawyer, so I only mean the term colloquially. So I think you know what I actually mean by the term.

I think you chose the term specifically because you choose to believe Snyder had some sort of ill intent. Your logic here is about as poorly thought out as saying it's plagiarism that Superman flies because he also does in the Lego DC games.

 

[bob_arctor]

I just don't personally credit it's creation to Snyder, but Rocksteady. I'm not even the one calling it a rehash, I call it plagiarism.

Like when Snyder did that blink-and-you missed-it Miller Dark Kight Returns shot when Bats dodged Doomsday's heat vision on the side of the building. Director's never do that sort of thing. Jerk Snyder the copy cat. Or Supes Zombie after getting nuked. Does this guy even have an original idea in his brain!? I hope he got Miller's blessing at least.

 

[Dead]

Snyder personally storyboards all of his films, including the action bits beat by beat which are the basis of the pre-viz and choreography

It's fair to give him credit.

 

[Veelk]

Like when Snyder did that blink-and-you missed-it Miller Dark Kight Returns shot when Bats dodged Doomsday's heat vision on the side of the building. Director's never do that sort of thing. Jerk Snyder the copy cat. Or Supes Zombie after getting nuked. Does this guy even have an original idea in his brain!? I hope he got Miller's blessing at least.

I think you chose the term specifically because you choose to believe Snyder had some sort of ill intent. Your logic here is about as poorly thought out as saying it's plagiarism that Superman flies because he also does in the Lego DC games.

I don't believe so, no. The fight sequence is so close to what you can do is that you can almost replicate it in the games to a significant degree, not in a single shot, but the very sequence of shots. For me, that crosses the line of inspiration or homage into straight "This is literally ripped from the game" territory. The movement, the gadgets, how he leaps and slams each enemy, even specific things like flinging crates....there are more similarities than differences in the entire sequence. It's also not applicable to something as basic and common as flying. If it were, then that means that kind of fighting would exist in all Batman media and it doesn't.

For the record, it's not like I think Snyder was trying to sneak something in here. I think he just thought "Wow, these Arkham games are great, I bet I could use them for my movie." And I'm sure what he did was perfectly legal.

I just see that scene and see a dearth of creativity. If I were him and wanted to have an Arkham games like scene, I would see what the games do and build on it or try to see what they haven't done with the combat system they made. I remember reading somewhere that they got the idea for Winter Soldier's fight choreography from the Arkham games as well. I definitely see the inspiration from it, but they also made it their own. What Synder did here is merely replicate.

And I don't consider that reprehensible, malicious or anything. Just lazy.

 

[Ahasverus]

I just don't personally credit it's creation to Snyder, but Rocksteady. I'm not even the one calling it a rehash, I call it plagiarism.

You're saying the director of a Batman movie used the proclaimed best representation of Batman combat ever on his movie? That's like, fucking awesome, man.

 

[Chiggs]

Like when Snyder did that blink-and-you missed-it Miller Dark Kight Returns shot when Bats dodged Doomsday's heat vision on the side of the building. Director's never do that sort of thing. Jerk Snyder the copy cat. Or Supes Zombie after getting nuked. Does this guy even have an original idea in his brain!? I hope he got Miller's blessing at least.

Frank Miller is listed in the credits...in the Thanks list, I think.

 

[Loxley]

I must have missed the bits in that warehouse fight where button prompts appeared over Batman's head every time he could counter someone's punch.

 

[bob_arctor]

Frank Miller is listed in the credits...in the Thanks list, I think.

It's the least that plagiarizing asshole could do.

 

[Ahasverus]

It's the least that plagiarizing asshole could do.

You call it plagiarizing, we call it reverent to the iconic nature of those panels,

 

[Nafai1123]

cougharkhamgamescough

You have such a hate boner for this film it's hilarious.

 

[Veelk]

You have such a hate boner for this film it's hilarious.

You should see my God of War posts.

 

[IconGrist]

I don't believe so, no. The fight sequence is so close to what you can do is that you can almost replicate it in the games to a significant degree, not in a single shot, but the very sequence of shots. For me, that crosses the line of inspiration or homage into straight "This is literally ripped from the game" territory. The movement, the gadgets, how he leaps and slams each enemy, even specific things like flinging crates....there are more similarities than in the entire sequence than differences.

For the record, it's not like I think Snyder was trying to sneak something in here. It's also not applicable to something as basic and common as flying. If it were, then that means that kind of fighting would exist in all Batman media and it doesn't. I think he just thought "Wow, these Arkham games are great, I bet I could use them for my movie." And I'm sure what he did was perfectly legal.

I just see that scene and see a dearth of creativity. If I were him and wanted to have an Arkham games like scene, I would see what the games do and build on it or try to see what they haven't done with the combat system they made. I remember reading somewhere that they got the idea for Winter Soldier's fight choreography from the Arkham games as well. I definitely see the inspiration from it, but they also made it their own. What Synder did here is merely replicate.

And I don't consider that reprehensible, malicious or anything. Just lazy.

The way Batman fights in BvS is not specific to nor did it originate from the Arkham games. It is well known (and you being a fan of DC would know this) that Batman uses the element of surprise, his gadgets and exceptional speed, agility, environmental awareness and combat technique to engage his enemies. All the Arkham games did was put you in (some) control of it. It had just never been done in the movies while it was pretty common in the comics and animation. Even fan-made stuff does it. Like those Superhero Smackdowns or whatever they're called.

And using "TWS made it their own" is an odd call out. Of course they had to adjust since none of those characters are reminiscent of Batman. BvS Batman uses well known Batman techniques. Stop the presses, everybody! PLAGIARISM!

 

[brochiller]

holy hell...fire this man now

I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Gleethor]

We are officially off the goddamn deep end in here. Plagiaristic fight scenes now huh.

 

[Veelk]

The way Batman fights in BvS is not specific to nor did it originate from the Arkham games. It is well known (and you being a fan of DC would know this) that Batman uses the element of surprise, his gadgets and exceptional speed, agility, environmental awareness and combat technique to engage his enemies. All the Arkham games did was put you in (some) control of it. It had just never been done in the movies while it was pretty common in the comics and animation. Even fan-made stuff does it. Like those Superhero Smackdowns or whatever they're called.

And using "TWS made it their own" is an odd call out. Of course they had to adjust since none of those characters are reminiscent of Batman. BvS Batman uses well known Batman techniques. Stop the presses, everybody! PLAGIARISM!

Find me an scene in any animation where Batman enters the room perched on a high ledge where enemies don't see him, uses a gun disabling device that makes his enemy guns blow in their face, beats down and breaks peoples limbs as a way of disabling them, swiftly leaping over obstacles, and uses the grappling hook to fling objects into enemies.

And I mean all of that in one scene fluid scene. Because I'm not denying that all those things, individually, existed in Batman before. But Arkham Games brought them all together in a particular way that wasn't done before, and the only replication of it I know if is the BvS scene. TAS and Justice League didn't look like that or do those things in the way Arkham games did them. I've watched less of The Batman and Beware the Batman, so who knows, maybe you'll surprise me. But I doubt it.

 

[bob_arctor]

We are officially off the goddamn deep end in here. Plagiaristic fight scenes now huh.

Only Snyder can mask awesomeness in a carbon copy wrapper. His hackery knows no bounds and he must be stopped. Veelk is doing the Lord's work, neither all good, nor all powerful.

 

[IconGrist]

Find me an scene in any animation where Batman enters the room perched on a high ledge where enemies don't see him, uses a gun disabling device that makes his enemy guns blow in their face, breaks peoples limbs as a way of disabling them, swiftly leaping over obstacles, and uses the grappling hook to fling objects into enemies.

And I mean all in one scene fluid scene. Because I'm not denying that all those things, individually, existed in Batman before. But Arkham Games brought them all together in a particular way that wasn't done before, and the only replication of it I know if is this scene.

Lol, of all the things I mentioned you chose to focus on just animation AND that it had to be one scene. You doubled down on a bad argument. Happens to everybody. Accept it. Move on.

 

[Discotheque]

Lol fuck all that. Some of you nitpick this genre to the bone of it.

It's a good fight scene. He could have taken inspiration from a youtube video for all I care. It's what I wanted out of a Batman fight scene ever since Arkham Asylum came out.

 

[brochiller]

Lol fuck all that. Some of you nitpick this genre to the bone of it.

It's a good fight scene. He could have taken inspiration from a youtube video for all I care. It's what I wanted out of a Batman fight scene ever since Arkham Asylum came out.

Some sense.

 

[Ahasverus]

I'd suggest Veelk to go out and do some productive things with his life, things that he enjoys. He's really grasping at straws now.

We get it, you hate it. You apparently hate everything, it's ok. It became clear in the 300 posts you made in this thread. Or stay and convince nobody.

 

[ibitegirls]

I can't believe how bad this movie was. I was warned before hand, but I couldn't really understand how Batman vs Superman movie could be so bad.

It was god awful.

I hated it.

Happy Friday!

 

[Discotheque]

Though having said that I think he should list rocksteady in the thanks section fwiw if he didn't.

Or at least mention them if the fight ever comes up in an interview.

 

[IconGrist]

I can't believe how bad this movie was. I was warned before hand, but I couldn't really understand how Batman vs Superman movie could be so bad.

It was god awful.

I hated it.

Happy Friday!

Happy Friday!

Spoiler

I love Friday's

 

[Veelk]

Lol, of all the things I mentioned you chose to focus on just animation AND that it had to be one scene. You doubled down on a bad argument. Happens to everybody. Accept it. Move on.

No, I stand by it. This shit is lifted straight from the games in a way that other animation hasn't done so. There is a difference between seeing similar elements and being able to replicate them to that precision.

If you know of a comic that does this same thing, you can use that as well, but I'm less familiar with that. I've only recently gotten into comics (well, recently being whenever the new 52 started).

If you feel I'm wrong, then there is a pretty simple way of proving it. Search Youtube for "Batman fight scenes" and you should come across one pretty quickly if Snyder is only doing what every Batman fight choreographer has done.

Which in itself is a strange defense when you think about it. If there wasn't something unique about Batman fighting this way, you'd think it'd get a negative reaction for being a generic batman fight scene.

So no, it's a fight scene done in a way that hasn't ever been done before in animation or live action. But it has been, to a T, done in videogames.

Lol fuck all that. Some of you nitpick this genre to the bone of it.

It's a good fight scene. He could have taken inspiration from a youtube video for all I care. It's what I wanted out of a Batman fight scene ever since Arkham Asylum came out.

I said this before, but I really don't hate that much about this scene. It's a good fight scene, the best in the movie. I just don't credit it's creation to Synder. That is all I'm saying about it.

 

[MrCunningham]

Those gifs prove that this is ione of the best looking movie ever made. For comic books, it's not even close.

The final sequence blew me away on digital.

Watching Batman V Superman a second time, I do have to admit that it is a really well shot movies at times. There are a lot of incredibly well framed shots. and I am not talking about action scenes or CG shots. I also like the visual contrasts between Gotham and Metropolis. Snyder did a good job setting these two cities apart visually, even though I am not a fan of how close Gotham is to Metropolis from a geographical point of view.

 

[BadAss2961]

cougharkhamgamescough

Arkham definitely inspired the warehouse fight, but it still had an identity of it's own. The chain rhythm and strategy were similar to the Arkham games, but Arkham fights aren't close to being that frantic or violent. Arkham fights are like a dance, they look super clean when you do them right. The warehouse scene was kinda survival horror, Batman style. Like brawls in The Last of Us where there's lots of struggle going on and damage being dealt both ways.

 

[cj_iwakura]

I assumed it was out physically too... yeesh, guess I'm waiting.

 

[Veelk]

Arkham definitely inspired the warehouse fight, but it still had an identity of it's own. The chain rhythm and strategy were similar to the Arkham games, but Arkham fights aren't close to being that frantic or violent. Arkham fights are like a dance, they look super clean when you do them right. The warehouse scene was kinda survival horror, Batman style. Like brawls in The Last of Us where there's lots of struggle going on and damage being dealt both ways.

I wouldn't agree it's survival horror, but the animator definitely missed a couple Y presses. So whoever held the controller didn't give a perfect performance. The biggest difference is the knife bit I think. I don't think Batman ever takes enemies knives to use them against the enemy, only to break them.

 

[BadAss2961]

I wouldn't agree it's survival horror, but the animator definitely missed a couple Y presses. So whoever held the controller didn't give a perfect performance. The biggest difference is the knife bit I think. I don't think Batman ever takes enemies knives to use them against the enemy, only to break them.

If it were Arkham, Batman would've resorted to tapping X, flipping from enemy to enemy in attempt to regain control of the situation.

 

[Ahasverus]

If it were Arkham, Batman would've resorted to tapping X, flipping from enemy to enemy in attempt to regain control of the situation.

Exactly. I say they lifted the guns disabler and some finishers, but the arkham combat is far more acrobatic. Whatever, I'm ready to leave this talk behind.

 

[Veelk]

If it were Arkham, Batman would've resorted to tapping X, flipping from enemy to enemy in attempt to regain control of the situation.

Which he does with the guys knifing him toward the end. When he got the guy who shot him twice in the head, he did a takedown though without building his combo meter up. Hacker.

Edit: Oh, you meant X as in jump. PS user I guess. You know, you can regain control of a situation just by punching out of it too, which is what he does since the thugs were within striking range, so there wasn't a need to flip.

When the thugs were far away, he does get acrobatic. Which is where you get the crate scene.

Lol best tactic and useful when going for the "use every ability in a single fight" trophy. It was hardest in Asylum where the controls were a bit clunky. Much easier in City. Haven't tried to do it in Knight yet.

True, but he's not going for creativity though, he just wants the thugs down. And since he got hit a few times, he's clearly not a master player. He might not know that leaping over enemies extends his combo timer.

 

[IconGrist]

If it were Arkham, Batman would've resorted to tapping X, flipping from enemy to enemy in attempt to regain control of the situation.

Lol best tactic and useful when going for the "use every ability in a single fight" trophy. It was hardest in Asylum where the controls were a bit clunky. Much easier in City. Haven't tried to do it in Knight yet.