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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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You'd have to be a pretty fucking big geek to write visualize and direct a movie like sucker punch.
It is funny how he really is a geek and meathead in one.
BadAss2961
Member
Rumor about Scoot McNairy's role. (small spoiler if true)
Shall throw it up on my Scoot Scoop
(I believe 4th character he is rumored/suggested to be playing so far)
Though if true, an interesting twist and it really does seem like the events of Man of Steel will form a lot of this film's plots
Rastafarian42
Member
That sounds pretty good if true.
lovely ladies
Member
Did they ditch the Jenny character then?
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Wat? I thought Jimmy is now Jenny the cute girl that gets trapped under the rubble....
Seems odd..like...why add that addition? Who cares?
thefreecheese
Member
Yeah... If they want to reference the amount of damage done to Metropolis, there are plenty of other, logical ways, to do so. Something as simple as Lex holding a press conference or talking on some news network panel about how much of a menace Superman is and how he destroyed half of the city. Or Bruce talking to Alfred in the cave about how this Superman must be contained, etc.
We don't really need a new backstory for Jimmy Olsen...
Holding out hope that Scoot is The Flash but my faith in Snyder and Goyer after MoS is pretty low.
BadAss2961
Member
The roles are similar, but its not the same person. I wouldn't mind seeing her back though.
Discotheque
Banned
I didn't like him until I saw the rover. He has a small role but he's pretty good in this
Not sure a new character is that face though. Just seems weird to me. It doesn't sound like jimmy at all other than name. They should just make it a new character. I didn't care when they made female jimmy for seemingly no reason, and I don't really care here, it just seemed unnecessary. Oh well, it will probably be fine in the movie
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Your example is not as good as if Clark Kent comes face to face with the destruction he caused through a colleague.
Rastafarian42
Member
It makes sense Jimmy Olsen loves Superman as a friend in the comics it would mean a lot that he still appreciates him even though the fight in Metropolis caused him to lose his legs.
BadAss2961
Member
Agreed.
I wouldn't mind this addition to Jimmy. Since he'd only get but so much screentime in this universe, this is good way of making his role more memorable and meaningful than it would be otherwise.
thefreecheese
Member
Couldn't that be done via any of the Daily Planet workers featured in the first film? Or some connection to them? Perry White could come into the Planet flustered and upset with a vendetta against Superman because the chaos he brought upon Metropolis caused his (insert relative) harm.
My point is just that these movies continue to stray from source material when they have creators like Johns heading the creative side of production to point to and get script advising. It's been a constant detriment to DC on film to ignore the comics and try to inject some sort of "edginess" that doesn't necessarily need to exist.
I don't prefer Marvel in any way: comics, animation or film; but at least in their film adaptations they are pooling the comics. Winter Soldier and Guardians are as close to direct adaptations as Hollywood will ever get.
I just wish DC and Warner Bros. would adhere to what makes these stories special for us and stop trying to rewrite what was already sufficient in the comics.
He's great in Halt and Catch Fire as well.
Discotheque
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while i kinda enjoyed that show he was such a whiny shit in that. he played the role well but god-damn...
his wife better leave him next season.
...yeah he was pretty good in the show, my judgement of his character is clouding his performance.
GOTG is not even close to a direct adaptation of any part of the comics. Which is fine, it's a great film on its own rights. But Nolan's trilogy (which actually takes elements from Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Killing Joke, No Mans Land, Year One and Dark Knight Returns) is extremely faithful.
As for veering away, what's wrong with that?
It should only matter that it's good, not whether it's faithful, in the end. LOTR films aren't that faithful beyond basic plot, and they're universally acclaimed.
OneEyedKing
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The Marvel movies have a lot of deviations from the comics...
thefreecheese
Member
Perhaps not a direct adaptation but GOTG takes from the 2008 series. And yeah, you're right. The Nolan trilogy borrows bits from all of those and was smart for doing so. But as high as I place those films on the pedestal, they injected a lot of needless bullshit in lieu of canonical reference. Rachel Dawes did not need to exist. There are already love interests for Bruce, and she refocused the narrative of those films to make it seem that Bruce wanted to do what he did in order to impress her and eventually be with her.
I'm with you again, that veering away CAN be okay and in some examples it can be preferable to the source. But every time that DC has done it on film it just causes my eyes to roll. Man of Steel was a huge victim of that for me, and I worry for BvS that MoS is the launch pad for the DC cinematic universe. I liked the wandering Superman, searching for a place he belongs. I hated the Pa Kent encouraging him to hide.
I just want them to do great and I don't want to constantly feel my palm gracing my face as I sit in a darkened theater in 2016
thefreecheese
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I know that, I mean that the more recent iterations and what it seems they are building to in some sort of Infinity Gauntlet story- they've been using actual stories with contributions from creators to guide the narrative in their movies. DC cherry picks from certain stories to inject a little here or there, while ignoring certain parts of canon that could have made the movies better.
I think the point is (If this is true), "Stop hating on the destruction in MoS, even Jimmy Olsen is ok with it!". Seems like they're trying to alleviate some of the ill will from MoS.
Has a sequel ever been this effected by fan reaction to the previous movie?
There was a lot less Jar Jar in Episodes 2 and 3
Schweinehund
Member
I find that rumor semi believable, mostly because I thought he would be jimmy when I first saw his rumored picture.
Just a random reaction: To this day, there are people who think Jenny is a gender-swapped Jimmy because of pre-release rumors that people accepted as fact.
I think I'd save Jimmy for the solo sequel.
My mental fanfiction that will never happen, is that Lex Luthor is "Superman's Pal".
To me, that makes much more sense than trying to antagonize an unkillable demigod who saved the planet. What does it profit Lex to make Superman his enemy? Whereas imagine the profit if Superman's your pal... access to Superman's Kryptonian technology, him as a live test subject (people enjoy that All-Star scene where Superman benches for Quintum), merchandising, poster boy for need to develop anti-extraterrestrial incursion weaponry, and so on.
From Superman's perspective, it's mutually beneficial, the alliance is private- rather than being beholden to the government- and Luthor's money provides a lot of the lubricant to made superheroing realistically plausible. Teams of high-payed lawyers to run interference with press, public, government, etc. Someone of high station to speak publicly on his behalf. Someone with a track record of philaptropy. Someone who can rebuild.
Luthor's profit motive makes him an independent / intelligent agent rather than a ridiculous bigot, and will make the betrayal more meaningful when he fields his anti-Kryptonian counter measures based on the tests and technology Superman voluntarily undertook and shared.
Plus you get the scene where Lex and Lois each sarcastically call each other, "Superman's Pal" and "Superman's Girlfriend" respectively.
I think I'd save Jimmy for the solo sequel.
My mental fanfiction that will never happen, is that Lex Luthor is "Superman's Pal".
To me, that makes much more sense than trying to antagonize an unkillable demigod who saved the planet. What does it profit Lex to make Superman his enemy? Whereas imagine the profit if Superman's your pal... access to Superman's Kryptonian technology, him as a live test subject (people enjoy that All-Star scene where Superman benches for Quintum), merchandising, poster boy for need to develop anti-extraterrestrial incursion weaponry, and so on.
From Superman's perspective, it's mutually beneficial, the alliance is private- rather than being beholden to the government- and Luthor's money provides a lot of the lubricant to made superheroing realistically plausible. Teams of high-payed lawyers to run interference with press, public, government, etc. Someone of high station to speak publicly on his behalf. Someone with a track record of philaptropy. Someone who can rebuild.
Luthor's profit motive makes him an independent / intelligent agent rather than a ridiculous bigot, and will make the betrayal more meaningful when he fields his anti-Kryptonian counter measures based on the tests and technology Superman voluntarily undertook and shared.
Plus you get the scene where Lex and Lois each sarcastically call each other, "Superman's Pal" and "Superman's Girlfriend" respectively.
Scooter155
Member
Just a random reaction: To this day, there are people who think Jenny is a gender-swapped Jimmy because of pre-release rumors that people accepted as fact.
I think I'd save Jimmy for the solo sequel.
My mental fanfiction that will never happen, is that Lex Luthor is "Superman's Pal".
To me, that makes much more sense than trying to antagonize an unkillable demigod who saved the planet. What does it profit Lex to make Superman his enemy? Whereas imagine the profit if Superman's your pal... access to Superman's Kryptonian technology, him as a live test subject (people enjoy that All-Star scene where Superman benches for Quintum), merchandising, poster boy for need to develop anti-extraterrestrial incursion weaponry, and so on.
From Superman's perspective, it's mutually beneficial, the alliance is private- rather than being beholden to the government- and Luthor's money provides a lot of the lubricant to made superheroing realistically plausible. Teams of high-payed lawyers to run interference with press, public, government, etc. Someone of high station to speak publicly on his behalf. Someone with a track record of philaptropy. Someone who can rebuild.
Luthor's profit motive makes him an independent / intelligent agent rather than a ridiculous bigot, and will make the betrayal more meaningful when he fields his anti-Kryptonian counter measures based on the tests and technology Superman voluntarily undertook and shared.
Plus you get the scene where Lex and Lois each sarcastically call each other, "Superman's Pal" and "Superman's Girlfriend" respectively.
Isn't there a fan theory that Quintum actually is Luthor in the future or an alternate version of himself or something?
I like that theory. I like All Star Superman...
keltickennedy
Member
I really like this idea. Does a nice job of putting a face to the Metropolis destruction.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Just a random reaction: To this day, there are people who think Jenny is a gender-swapped Jimmy because of pre-release rumors that people accepted as fact.
I think I'd save Jimmy for the solo sequel.
My mental fanfiction that will never happen, is that Lex Luthor is "Superman's Pal".
To me, that makes much more sense than trying to antagonize an unkillable demigod who saved the planet. What does it profit Lex to make Superman his enemy? Whereas imagine the profit if Superman's your pal... access to Superman's Kryptonian technology, him as a live test subject (people enjoy that All-Star scene where Superman benches for Quintum), merchandising, poster boy for need to develop anti-extraterrestrial incursion weaponry, and so on.
From Superman's perspective, it's mutually beneficial, the alliance is private- rather than being beholden to the government- and Luthor's money provides a lot of the lubricant to made superheroing realistically plausible. Teams of high-payed lawyers to run interference with press, public, government, etc. Someone of high station to speak publicly on his behalf. Someone with a track record of philaptropy. Someone who can rebuild.
Luthor's profit motive makes him an independent / intelligent agent rather than a ridiculous bigot, and will make the betrayal more meaningful when he fields his anti-Kryptonian counter measures based on the tests and technology Superman voluntarily undertook and shared.
Plus you get the scene where Lex and Lois each sarcastically call each other, "Superman's Pal" and "Superman's Girlfriend" respectively.
Luther's motivations have always been more than money. I think he has an interesting motive - that Superman can be too great a threat for humanity but also that he makes humanity looks insignificant. That's a good reason to hate him.
Sure, no one is just money, but I mean more "ideologically pure" motives rather than bigotry. I disagree that the insignificance of humanity is a good reason, generally speaking (you can make it work, like any author can may anything work).
First, it makes Luthor seem insecure. Second, it makes Luthor irrational. Outside of comics, the idea of "peak humanity" is absurd. We understand that specialization is inevitable and no one can be the best at all things... much less, be worried about how much better others outside our species are at those things. In the DCU at large, Superman is hardly the only example of humanity's insignificance... singling Superman out for that reason is irrational.
Now that Luthor can be petty and human, and therefore irrationally jealous, is plausible too... but I think in a realistic / grounded approach, to take on Superman and potential real-world consequences, you need a villain that is hyper-competent... and that means someone's who's efficacy shouldn't be hamstrung by psychological disorder or bigotry (at least public, all-out, acted upon). Not to the degree that it plagues Luthor in the comics (shooting up venom, trying to conquer Metropolis in a warship, etc).
Just a random reaction: To this day, there are people who think Jenny is a gender-swapped Jimmy because of pre-release rumors that people accepted as fact.
I think I'd save Jimmy for the solo sequel.
My mental fanfiction that will never happen, is that Lex Luthor is "Superman's Pal".
To me, that makes much more sense than trying to antagonize an unkillable demigod who saved the planet. What does it profit Lex to make Superman his enemy? Whereas imagine the profit if Superman's your pal... access to Superman's Kryptonian technology, him as a live test subject (people enjoy that All-Star scene where Superman benches for Quintum), merchandising, poster boy for need to develop anti-extraterrestrial incursion weaponry, and so on.
From Superman's perspective, it's mutually beneficial, the alliance is private- rather than being beholden to the government- and Luthor's money provides a lot of the lubricant to made superheroing realistically plausible. Teams of high-payed lawyers to run interference with press, public, government, etc. Someone of high station to speak publicly on his behalf. Someone with a track record of philaptropy. Someone who can rebuild.
Luthor's profit motive makes him an independent / intelligent agent rather than a ridiculous bigot, and will make the betrayal more meaningful when he fields his anti-Kryptonian counter measures based on the tests and technology Superman voluntarily undertook and shared.
Plus you get the scene where Lex and Lois each sarcastically call each other, "Superman's Pal" and "Superman's Girlfriend" respectively.
Huh. I always thought she did play Jenny Olsen because the actress says she does in this interview. Though most other signs point that she's not Jenny Olsen. Her ID Tag in the movie says Jenny Jurwich, which is probably the best proof.
Schweinehund
Member
you can't make me! It's been a long time since I've seen it.
Looks like the Cologne Cathedral.
SeventhSon
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Schweinehund
Member
I don't know if I'd call this funny, Adam's quip not withstanding.
The funny part was when PG asks if its necessary, and BA says yes.
SeventhSon
Member
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Batman skips leg day huh?Looking good there Mr Batman
itchy. tasty
Member
Looks good, seeing some vascularity on his bicep in those pics.
I never realised he had no neck though... or is his head too small for his body?
I never realised he had no neck though... or is his head too small for his body?
evil solrac v3.0
Member
let's try this again as you seem to want to make this an issue. the comics and the characters from these particular franchises (Superman, Batman) are not what I would call laugh a minute funny or for the most part have mild humor. I can name you more if you wish every day ongoing series that aren't exactly brimming with humor. the movies reflect this.
you're reaching. this is just a rumor at this point.
Schweinehund
Member
Yeah they said that in one of the articles, I'm not holding my breath for any movie that isn't Batman or Superman at this point though, giving how much development hell Shazam or Wonder Woman has gone through over the past decade.
or Batman Begins
I guess that falls into Nolan's interpretation (a plain ass building) but I still want the Akrham from comics or the game
.Extra Sauce
Member
The truth of the matter is that most mainstream superhero comics contain humor. Even the darker stuff like Batman needs a bit of levity once in awhile to put things in perspective. But you probably know that already, which is why you changed your tune from "most comics are humorless", to "they don't make me laugh", to now "Batman is not laugh-a-minute funny".
Sure, Batman is not laugh-a-minute funny. Let's agree on that and move on.
MisterHero
Super Member
I bet that second chin is made of musclesLooking good there Mr Batman
ffejeromdiks
Banned
I'd love to see Black Adam and Sinestro team up onscreen. Save Darkseid, have the Secret Society form for JL. Then just use the one from Forever Evil (Luthor, Cold, Adam, Bizarro, Manta, Sinestro and throw in Cheetah too.)
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