Marion Cobretti
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They want Clark to look up to Bruce.
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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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bigboss370
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that sounds horrible :/
Sibersk Esto
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Superman and Batman should be around the same height
+1 clay origin
+1 clay origin
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Deleted member 102481
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give me the actors who play arrow and flash on the cw series in batman vs superman
evil solrac v3.0
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this Superman better not scare. they already established him as someone who doesn't back down from a fight.
Sibersk Esto
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Nope
I don't think he'll "scare" but might definitely underestimate him at first
SCULLIBUNDO
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If Batman also has a bigger bulge than Superman I'm going to rage-fap so hard.
Discotheque
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I wouldn't mind that flash. He's parker-esque (not the asshole ASM version)
But I think they should aim higher than a TV actor for the character
sketchsanchez
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I'm willing to bet they wanted a taller batman so they can have a scene of him slowly rising up from a crouch or something like this scene in back to the future only replace Marty with Superman and Biff with Batman obviously
http://youtu.be/zZJ7cq6T3v4
go to the 00:22 mark
http://youtu.be/zZJ7cq6T3v4
go to the 00:22 mark
Discotheque
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Superman is a few inches shorter, not a few feet
sketchsanchez
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Batman's gonna wear lifts
Bobby Roberts
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You unfocus your eyes just a little bit and this is Antonio Sabato Jr.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I still don't know how I'm going to suspend my disbelief that Batman will be able to touch Superman after Man of Steel. Armored power-suit or not, I'm going to have a real hard time believing that Batman's reflexes would allow him to see Superman move, let alone be able to hit him. I hope Snyder sticks to what he said a couple of comic-con's ago and shows how silly a scenario it is to put them head to head in a brawl, showing Superman mop the floor with Batman with little effort. Nerfing Superman would irk me big time.
Yeah, it's the only thing I see. It's eerie.
Father_Brain
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So they actually are using the Greek pantheon and not amalgamating Themyscira with New Genesis or whatever? Thank god.
Discotheque
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did he say that? because i find that hard to believe with this frank miller boner he got going on.
if so that would be cool though. i love batman (moreso than superman) but him against the man of steel...lolno.
unless his suit is made of kryptonite or he fights in a controlled environment.
GringoSuave89
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My thoughts exactly. Really hope Gal knocks it out of the park
Wiktor
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Meh. It would be nice too see them, but it would screw up the tv shows and as much as I hope BvS will be great, it's just one movie. In three years it takes to make it CW will produce over 130 hours of DC superhero content. No point in shackling them with shared universe.
And he wouldn't even have kryptonite to depend on!
GringoSuave89
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I kinda figure, if it's any kind of fight, it'll be more Superman avoiding hits going "come on, this is unnecessary" while Batman tries every trick in the book to try and hit him
at least until the big armor brawl.
Ninja Scooter
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I could see them making it where Batman is more of a nuisance, setting traps, hitting and moving, rather than a straight up one on one brawl.
karasu
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She's probably the most boring Lois ever. Throw her in the corner and put up a fence.
Discotheque
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Wiktor
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MoS Supes is pretty nerfed though. Kryptonians move fast there, but not fast enough that's it's impossible to see them by human eye.
karasu
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Yeah, there's no way his eyes are fast enough to track that movement they were doing in a combat relevant fashion. Least of all a single punch. Punches are hard enough to see coming at normal human speeds.
Marion Cobretti
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I'm guessing they won't be beefing too long if Brainiac is en route.
Guys think Lex and Brainiac will be homies if he is indeed in the movie?
Guys think Lex and Brainiac will be homies if he is indeed in the movie?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Fuck that. I want to see Batman's genius come out. Show me Batman utilizing his own superpower in this film - his cunning. A smartly written encounter that doesn't lazily play down the potential of each character would be much preferred to a lazy slugfest ripped from the pages of Miller's overrated tripe.
Discotheque
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i know how much you like bale's wayne but i think affleck can beat it. he had this aloof moron quality to him in gone girl. the type of guy that you would never believe is capable of being cunning.
i hope they do introduce batman's ingenuity in this film though for sure. he was more a brawler with gadgets in all the other films.
Marion Cobretti
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Batman will likely be ultra genius in this movie. He's veteran Batman, and they really seem to be pushing him as a Batman that's at the top of his game.
If Brainiac is indeed en route, it'll probably be Bruce or Lex that figure it out.
If Brainiac is indeed en route, it'll probably be Bruce or Lex that figure it out.
Marion Cobretti
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One of the producers just said in an interview that Bruce would be a social super dude.
bigboss370
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most things i'm hearing about this movie makes it seem like there's an incoming superman nerf and propping up batman on a pedestal :/
Marion Cobretti
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What are you guys basing this on? The fact that they're selling Batman so hard?
We still know almost nothing about this movie. I see no reason to expect Superman to be nerfed. If anything he should be stronger than ever with even more abilities.
We still know almost nothing about this movie. I see no reason to expect Superman to be nerfed. If anything he should be stronger than ever with even more abilities.
bigboss370
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pretty much. the way they even introduced the movie was all sorts of wrong.
Wiktor
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Some sort of combo of drugs and partially automated combat system in armor should cover that, allowing him to land punches with relative ease.
that said, I do hope their confrontation won't be a stupid brawl. Bruce needs to outsmart Supes, not beat him up.
karasu
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Superman Vs Batman is a fight that's never made any sense, ever. The fact that it's even seen as a serious contest is amazing. The characters just don't really relate on that level. If Superman were as strong as someone like Spiderman, okay maybe Batman could take him. If he were only as fast as Wolverine, than okay maybe Batman's bionic suit would make sense. But he's so far beyond those levels. It's like a leaf against a hurricane. The idea of Batman just whipping up technology more powerful than essentially every force of nature on this planet, just because he has to beat Superman in a fight, is ridiculous. If he's capable of that he should have created the suit years ago and been a more effective batman.
Wiktor
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I think it worked in DKR, because it was set up properly there, with years of planning and using knowledge of Clark's psyche to his advantage. The other attempts felt flat for me.
Bruce should be easily able to compete with Clark, but by using his brain, not in direct fight. Afterall, Lex Luthor is the most classic Superman villain and he also fights with brain.
Their fight in BvS will boil down to:
It's their ideologies that'll clash. Hence Batman V Superman, not Batman VS Superman.
Its cavill and routh
How would it screw up the tv shows?
That would brake my heart more than Episode 1 did.
You are completly rigth Sculli, it would bother me a lot too.
And I love the damn Bat too, but this is Supes time to shine.
Nice, I never saw it like that.
Is it? Outside the circle of fandom- and even within it- I think most people get that Superman is more powerful than Batman and would win a non-contrived fight. Jon Stewart lays it out:
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/h7hzpu/ben-affleck
It's a stratified population of fandom that thinks Batman reliably takes down Superman. That said, it's an over sensitive fandom that thinks Batman could not conceivably "win" against Superman under a specific set of circumstances and with "win" defined accordingly.
The contest between the two has largely be in ideologies and popularity. In terms of fights, Batman "wins" have been defined as when he just manages to have an effect on Superman.
DKR works only from Batman's perspective- which is exactly how you presented it- with all those attempts at building some semblance of an advantage, get a few strikes in, then playing possum as a "win."
However, DKR makes no sense from Superman's perspective. Prior to their showdown, the President wants Superman to bring Batman in alive, something Superman also desires but regretfully believes is impossible. So, as written, Superman is interested in: 1) Arresting Batman; 2) Preserving Batman's Life.
None of those interests come into play as DKR unfolds!
Instead of coming to Batman in his sleep with knockout gas, or hobbling him from space, or having the Flash pick him up... instead, in service to the contrived situation Miller wanted told, Superman burns "WHERE?" into the ground to set up an appointment for Batman to be- what, arrested?- or merely raise the risk of collateral damage, physical conflict, and harm to Bruce? Yes, Batman gets to use his vaunted "prep time" but now, Superman is reducing his chance of successfully arresting Batman and preserving Batman's life, the very two interests Miller wrote into the story prior!
Even throughout the fight, Superman is holding back... not unplugging Bruce from his lamp post, etc... but, naturally, it escalates to the point that the very interest that Superman is implied to have- protecting Batman's life- is believably jeopardized and extinguished!
DKR doesn't successfully explain Superman's motivations for a high noon showdown.
While there are some valid parallels here, I disagree with the blanket characterization. The main distinguishing factor between Bruce and Lex is that Bruce has a compulsion to engage his enemies in a direct fight. It's why Bruce is Batman, bloodying his fists, and not merely the CEO of a privatized police force. Conversely, outside of Power Armor renditions, Lex is perfectly comfortable hiding behind the law and plausibly deniable puppets. That direct vs. indirect conflict makes all the difference when most of Superman's powers only mean anything in direct conflict.
That said, I agree that for the purposes of this film Batman should engage some of Superman's interests indirectly as a means of raising conflict. It will all depend on what Batman's "win" condition is (which is almost never to kill or KO Superman). For example, if Batman's position is that Superman is only "one bad day away" from enslaving humanity, to him, a "win" might be provoking Superman to anger to prove he is or could be made to go out of control (control Batman has spent a lifetime trying to cultivate). That doesn't require Batman KO Superman, but still get his kicks in.
Baron_Calamity
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I just realize this movie is a year and a half away and I feel like its been in production forever. When is principal shooting suppose to be?
Its been shooting since May.
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