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Battle for Mosul has begun. 1 million civilians trapped inside the city ruled by ISIS
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mercenar1e
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the Kurdish fighters are surprisingly well equipped.
The PMF/militias are a total hodgepodge of stuff. I've seen them running around with German G36s at one point. The proper Iraqi army has a lot of armored humvees and MRAPs that the US left behind/gave them, so they tend to roll through a town slowly by surely. They've even got some M1 Abrams equipped units up and running.
I guess if that report is to be believed, ISIS figures they have a better chance of surviving in Syria where the U.S. can't project quite as much power.
They've been in the fight for a long time and are reliable. Wouldn't surprise me if they got the lion's share of aid.
Forerunner
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Yeah, the MRAP started to replace them back in like 07. An EFP can still fucks them up bad, but an EFP pretty much fucks anything.
I'd prefer a mass defection, personally
Brainwashing and fear.
Look at some of the methods of execution in the OP. ISIS have gone full-medieval.
ISIS believes that a ton of Muslims are actually heretics so they don't have a problem with killing them.
fabricated backlash
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The Iraqi Army... yeah excuse me for not having faith in them acomplishing anything. A noble goal, but I don't think they'll be able to retake Mosul.
MisterFalcon
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The Iraqi Army, as in the army of the state of Iraq is not doing this. It's all sectarian militias, some of whom have more modern battle tanks then many NATO states.
The front is being led by the Iraqi Gold Division which is a phenomenal special operations unit with an incredible track record with regards to fighting ISIS. They are heavily integrated with Western SOF and operate almost on par. US SOF are also on the ground "advising" via dropping bombs with radios.
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The problem is the very nature of urban warfare against an enemy that can and will use civilians as shields.
Even under the best circumstances and plenty of supplies and coordinated air recon such a goal would be extremely hard.
Still, don't get me wrong, I'd rather have them win this.
You'd be right a few years ago, but they've since been reformed. Even the worst fighter stands pretty tall when they've got A-10s doing gun runs for them. The longest and hardest part will probably be clearing every nook and cranny rigged with explosives, even if there is no big fight.
True, but then what are you going to do with tens of thousands of psychopathic murderer types?
Yes but see this even say.. London or Birmingham. Supporters in the street bleating on about western interference and killing their brothers. Not once in any of the videos have I watched do they mention the mass slaughter of Muslim innocents by their so called brothers.
I think they are very blinkered in their views.
evil solrac v3.0
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if ISIS doesn't retreat and stay and fight it will make the Fallujah fight look like little league.
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I saw the video of them killing the 25 civilians in the same style as an animal slaughter house. I hope every one of the murderers in that video dies a horrible, painful death in the next few days/weeks.
Awful situation for the population, but what else can be done? These monsters can't be bargained with, the only thing they understand is death.
I hope they pull out before it gets too bad like they have in other areas.
Awful situation for the population, but what else can be done? These monsters can't be bargained with, the only thing they understand is death.
I hope they pull out before it gets too bad like they have in other areas.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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What am I missing here and I readily state I'm oversimplifying but how is it a million civilians get held hostage by only 10,000-15,000?
they have guns?
apparently this is the answer but it's 2AM and I don't have 90 minutes right now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OuxgHojAis (posted earlier)
MarkMclovin
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ISIS supporters in Mosul must lead a lovely life.
Kids killed by chainsaw, lowered into a vat of acid, drowned, flamed, shot and beheaded.
How does this not start some sort of civilian revolt?
Kids killed by chainsaw, lowered into a vat of acid, drowned, flamed, shot and beheaded.
How does this not start some sort of civilian revolt?
There is a resistance group that has been gunning down ISIS folks inside Mosul for awhile. They probably don't have the means to take back the city on their own, though. ISIS would also probably mow down every single person that lifted a finger against them, given the chance.
MisterFalcon
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Apparently these million defenseless civilians will still create the next ISIS from the 'every terrorist killed creates 10 new ones' theory.
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And if the revolt fails it will be their children and babies getting lowered into acid and killed with chainsaws.
ISIS have tanks and other military hardware, and you expect civilians who at the most would be armed with shitty old AK's to stand up to them?
Chaos2Frozen
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One side has all the guns and the willingness to lower living human beings into a pool of acid.
Kill Your Masters
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Probably because of chainsaws, acid, beheading...civilians must be scared to death, disorganised, and desperate. I cannot phantom what kind of atrocities we will find out about when/if ISIS is finally wiped out or at least significantly weakened.
Palette Swap
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I can't begin to imagine how you purge such a large city, let alone how people are going to rebuild and live after that, being trapped inside with these animals for years.
I mean, occupied France had something like 50k nazi soldiers.
That's not necessarily surprising. Occupations usually rely on organization, collaborators, threats and setting examples.
I mean, occupied France had something like 50k nazi soldiers.
I wonder what ideology it is that draws people to become part of this group. After indoctrination they see others as subhuman. Their influence is far-spread despite the terrifying nature of their reign. I suspect a lot has to do with facilitating a cult and isolating their members from any outside influence. It is frightening how easily people fall in to these groups.
You can can tune into some local news stations here. Can't seem to find anything in English though.
I just watch some woman walking around in myanmar, a drunk dude with his shirt off in tel aviv, and a radio show in the philippines from the comfort of my phone. My mind is pretty blown right now.
I just watch some woman walking around in myanmar, a drunk dude with his shirt off in tel aviv, and a radio show in the philippines from the comfort of my phone. My mind is pretty blown right now.
You may be shocked to learn the force that took Mosul was only 1,300 strong at the most. Security forces outnumbered attackers by more than 15-to-1.
MisterFalcon
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Once Mosul has been taken there will surely be attacks on the Shia forces that took the city. The main reason ISIS did not face a revolt was that most of the population tolerated a Sunni party in charge no matter how loathsome they were.
CyberPunked
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They seem to execute more of themselves than they do of other people.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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That is nuts. Is it just fire-power then?
Well, you only get to see what the media think is interesting for western audience. Having the choice between footage of muslims protesting other muslims or muslims protesting the west, they'll always show the footage of muslims protesting the west.
Everyone should watch this.
Yes, it's 90 minutes. But anyone who expects an explanation of the current situation and the whole mess that's been made in the region to take about five minutes or some choice-quotes is a bit naieve.
Looking at the wikipedia article for the second battle of Mosul you can see the leadership are being killed of like flies.
It must create a lot of disorganization and chaos having so much of the leadership gone before the battle.
I wish the Iraqi's and Kurds good luck.
It must create a lot of disorganization and chaos having so much of the leadership gone before the battle.
I wish the Iraqi's and Kurds good luck.
This. Lets hope the civilians will be able to escape in time, or atleast minimize the amount of casualties on the ground.. Man, reading that timeline is horrifying.
Starfish_Oxide
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Wonder how many civilian casualties there will be? I'm sure they will all because of ISIS and not our friendly militias nor the airstrikes into a populated city.
Can't wait till we get to do this again in Damascus, r-right guys?
Can't wait till we get to do this again in Damascus, r-right guys?
Captain Smoker
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If anyone is interested, here is a news page with a live map: http://isis.liveuamap.com/
So you are saying they shouldn't remove it from ISIS hands?
the Iraqi troops abandoned their posts and fled in droves ahead of the (vastly outnumbered) ISIS forces, leaving behind tanks, figthing jets and other highly advanced military equipment. That's why no one has/had any confidence in their army
That has happened several times since the Nazis.
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