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Battlefield 1 |OT| Make War Great Again
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Jibbajabbawockky
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On PC anyway, I feel like performance overall took a big dive for me after this update. For whatever reason, I'm getting big hitches where the game just totally freezes for 5 seconds or so before coming back and that never ever happened before.
One of the support pistols has this, the Repetierpistole.
penis length is the obvious default acceptable measure
I could go 0-0 and as long as I win I'm happier than if I went like 30-5 and lost. I hate losing!
It's under custom games or something like that.
Man I suck in this new Battlefield. I skipped the beta as I was quite uninterested but felt like playing an FPS now so I picked it up for 40eur.
Went to play Domination and holeee shit i'm so bad nowadays. I can barely get a top 5 scoreboard result.
Also I'm not sure I like the Warbonds system..
Went to play Domination and holeee shit i'm so bad nowadays. I can barely get a top 5 scoreboard result.
Also I'm not sure I like the Warbonds system..
Warbonds mean absolute shit once you find the weapons on a class that you like. I have something like 11,000 just sitting there.
Psychoward
Banned
should be standard for all of them
it's especially silly with some of the reload animations because you're clearly ejecting the excess bullets lol
I only unlocked all the grenades and melee weapons
For every other class I only have two or three weapons unlocked
I understand why they did it this way, to balance the playing field by not locking all the weapons behind levels
Affeinvasion
Member
But they are behind levels too. At least class levels.
Disagree Guy
Member
Yeah it's hilarious. Last night defending Monte Grappa (second B bunker) Gaf had four players above 70 kills..... Like wtf....
I was getting like three to four kills every time I spawned (before immediately getting blammed by like 6 LMG guys). We weren't even inside the bunker! Just created a mobile defence force around it. The model 10 is incredible.
It didn't haha. I was purposefully TRYING to get long range kills again to prove that point last night and I got like 5 or 6 defending the church on Monte Grappa. They've once again tried to nerf it but imo they've increased the range killing capability again although - you do need to aim for the upper chest/head or it's still a two bang from around 20-25m
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Maaaaaaaaaaan I'd really, really, really love for DICE's technical team to seriously reduce the amount of sharpening TAA introduces when combined with resolution scaling. The covering is very nice but fuck me the sharpening is so aggressive. Normally I'm again post processing AA, but I'd happily use it here if the image wasn't sharpened so badly.
I feel it's being applied after the scaling when it really should be applied before. Like in my case render at 130% res scaling from native 1440p, apply TAA, then scale back down to my 1440p display.
I feel it's being applied after the scaling when it really should be applied before. Like in my case render at 130% res scaling from native 1440p, apply TAA, then scale back down to my 1440p display.
Disagree Guy
Member
GAF discord, 1st page of this OT for information
We are a few people that play regularly.
origin: steelchiliboy
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
How I feel when I read this.....
What does that mean to a techno n00b like me?
Aliasing is an side effect of rendering 3D assets, producing a jagged staircase effect on angled edges.
Anti-aliasing techniques aim to reduce or eliminate aliasing for more defined edges and clearer, more believable imagery.
Anti-aliasing techniques come in many forms and flavours with pros/cons as anti-aliasing in general is very difficult to implement.
Expensive (as in, to the framerate) techniques are complex mulit-sampling of the image and assets as they are rendered, or supersampling (very high resolution). Most effective, but very expensive on the hardware performance.
Cheaper techniques are usually post processing, meaning the image is rendered as-is usually without anti-aliasing, and algorithms comb over each rendered frame to smooth out edges. Cheaper because they're less technically demanding and "brute force", at the cost of not always producing a desired final image quality (as the anti-aliasing may 'blur' the final image a bit to smooth out aliasing instead of smoothing out during rendering).
Due to numerous factors modern engines in particular have a very difficult time doing rendered anti-aliasing (like MSAA and SSAA), the most effective, and instead usually rely on cheaper post processing AA. The quality of post-processing AA can vary wildly. Sometimes it's quite effective, cheap to render, and leaves a desirable image quality. Sometimes it's badly implemented, overly aggressive in its coverage, and blurs the image.
In most post processing anti-aliasing solutions a "sharpening" post processing render is also applied. Pretty much all post-processing anti-aliasing solutions will blur the image to some extent (that's why it's so cheap and efficient), and sharpening exists to offset it a little and retain some degree of clarity to the final image.
Badly implemented sharpening post processing unfortunately results in a weird grainy look to the edges of objects as the sharpening renderer is trying to compensate the anti-aliasing blur with a cheap, fake effect.
This hurts overall image quality as the game looks oddly grainy at times.
In Battlefield 1 on my hardware I am using two methods of "anti-aliasing".
The first is "resolution scale", which is supersampling, the first type of anti-aliasing I spoke about. This renders every single frame at a resolution higher than what my monitor can output, so each frame has more "information", and thus downsampled to my display helps reduce aliasing with high quality and very little blur and sharpening. This is an effective method of anti-aliasing, but also very expensive.
I have also applied TAA (temporal anti-aliasing), which is the second type of effect; post processing anti-aliasing that is applied after the image is rendered in full and using edge detection algorithms approximates and blurs remaining aliasing for maximum image clarity.
Unfortunately Battlefield 1's resolution scale anti-aliasing applies a slight sharpening post processing to the image after it's downsampled to my monitor display, and applies another to the TAA. So my image when both are inable are double sharpened, resulting in a weird, obviously grainy look to edges.
It's not horrendous, but it's highly unnecessary. The solution on my end when it annoys me is to simply turn off the TAA post processing anti-aliasing and stuck with just the resolution scaling anti-aliasing. But the combined effect of resolution scaling and TAA, sharpening excluded, is brilliant at eliminating aliasing across the entire image. Very nice quality. The doubled up sharpening, or more aggressive sharpening, whichever it is, from the two combined is just a very unfortunate side effect that I hope DICE address in future patches.
Disagree Guy
Member
I've learnt something today. I've heard of Aliasing, but had no real idea what it was.
Out of interest could you post some screens of what your game looks like after you've fine tuned it? I'm assuming this is a PC thing so it's interesting to me as a PS4 pro user to see the difference.
Not as a 'my shit's better than your shit' or whatever, but just out of interest.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Not the best example, but I just made this. A better example would be more than just a single object, but a scene with lots of trees or a city or something. Lots of hard edges.
Aliasing is a "problem" for everyone as it's just a technical hurdle with 3D rendering and something developers are still trying to find solutions to. Different engines have different means if implementing anti-aliasing. Before the advent of modern engines (most of which use what is called deferred rendering) anti-aliasing solutions like MSAA (multi-sampling aliasing) were viable, if expensive, and very effective as they weren't post-processing solutions. But deferred rendering engines, which are very efficient at approximating complex effects cheaply, do not play well with MSAA. So it's like we had one really great anti-aliasing solution that is no longer compatible with modern engines, that in turn are capable of more complex and impressive rendering anyway. Pros and cons of technical leaps.
Disagree Guy
Member
Not the best example, but I just made this. A better example would be more than just a single object, but a scene with lots of trees or a city or something. Lots of hard edges.
Aliasing is a "problem" for everyone as it's just a technical hurdle with 3D rendering and something developers are still trying to find solutions to. Different engines have different means if implementing anti-aliasing. Before the advent of modern engines (most of which use what is called deferred rendering) anti-aliasing solutions like MSAA (multi-sampling aliasing) were viable, if expensive, and very effective as they weren't post-processing solutions. But deferred rendering engines, which are very efficient at approximating complex effects cheaply, do not play well with MSAA. So it's like we had one really great anti-aliasing solution that is no longer compatible with modern engines, that in turn are capable of more complex and impressive rendering anyway. Pros and cons of technical leaps.
It's subtle but you can definitely tell the difference. That's a really good explanation.
Cheers mate
Lazy Lemmy
Neo Member
As long as you balance it with the SPM you're laughing.
I sit around a KDR of 2.1 with a SPM of around 800, which I think is a decent balance of combat and objective work
Lazy Lemmy
Neo Member
I'm top 1% in Infantry KD and top 5% for heals ......all the rest are fair to middling
Disagree Guy
Member
As long as you balance it with the SPM you're laughing.
I sit around a KDR of 2.1 with a SPM of around 800, which I think is a decent balance of combat and objective work
Mine is well off skew
My KDR is like 1.36 but my SPM is like 1380
My KDR looks average but my SPM is much higher than average. That's due to relentless objective capture/defence in Operations. My KDR is low because I run shotty.
SPM largely is dictated by class use aswell. Scout will always find it harder to get a top SPM when compared with other classes because their guns lend to the ability to sit back so the extra capture points just don't come up much.
So the medic class.
I've been reading everyone's post and trying to adhere to the advice given.
I ended up choosing the Selbstlader Factory. For my play style it feels the most balanced and I feel more capable and effective defending. And IMO, I think I'm starting to see that
that the medic class is more of a defensive class and clearly not aggressive. Obviously I'm sure some of you would disagree, but that's just my opinion.
I played with my buddy last night and I ended up going 24-20 and fourth place on my team and we ended up winning the match. I got a shit ton of revives and heals in so I guess I should be happy with it.
I'm gonna keep playing the class and see if it gets better but at the moment I'm not having that much fun with it.
I've been reading everyone's post and trying to adhere to the advice given.
I ended up choosing the Selbstlader Factory. For my play style it feels the most balanced and I feel more capable and effective defending. And IMO, I think I'm starting to see that
yes finally
I played with my buddy last night and I ended up going 24-20 and fourth place on my team and we ended up winning the match. I got a shit ton of revives and heals in so I guess I should be happy with it.
I'm gonna keep playing the class and see if it gets better but at the moment I'm not having that much fun with it.
Disagree Guy
Member
Based on the last point alone I'd change class. There is no point forcing yourself if you aren't enjoying it.
It'll just lead to you hating the game.
ShadowsFell
Member
To be honest, I just don't enjoy playing the Medic class for the most part, nor do I enjoy the Medic weapons. So I don't play the class very much.
Yeah I think I might. I was trying to be decent at all the classes but I'm starting to think it's not worth it anymore.
Disagree Guy
Member
With the DLC not out til March this game will start to get stale quite soon.
Sure, with all the xmas n00bs joining in it'll add a little more fresh meat to the slaughter but you are going to want to enjoy it haha
my advice, and take that as you will, is to find a class you enjoy and just try to perfect it. You can use the shit guns when the new DLC comes out and the game feels brand new again haha
WhiskerFrisker
Member
How can you say this? A high SPM tells you that the person plays the objective frequently. A person with a K/D and SPM means they are very efficient at playing. A person with a high K/D and low SPM most likely camps back. I don't understand how you can just wave off stats like it doesn't give an idea if a person's efficiency. I feel like this is done by people with average stats. The fact of the matter is someone with a high score in both categories, as well as win is just better than you. Trying to belittle how the person received a high SPM because they used a system in the game is incredibly petty.
If a person has a great number in all if this, including win/loss, they are a good player.
Disagree Guy
Member
Rate my stats
85% win ratio
1380 SPM
Around a 1.3 - 1.4 KDR
49 service stars Model 10 (most in UK)
2.8mil score Assault
Only 253 games played haha
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Rant time! Come along folks and enjoy the hate.
I think support class is making me hate the game. ive had two very frustrating nights with barely any wins. My KDR sucks which i dont care about much but it is frustrating to die 5 times in a row in less than a minute. The LMGs are just too heavy to use, by the time i start firing the enemy has already gotten the first few shots in. i did much better in domination going 10-1 and 9-2 most rounds at the end of the night, but those rounds are over in a flash and its no fun waiting in post match/loading screen/pre match screens for like 3 minutes after a 5 minute round.
I like playing Operations but getting 10-15k points in 25 minutes is not rewarding at all. since i keep losing more games than winning, i dont get the bonus either. Even when i did win a round, i only got 40k points instead of the the 50k+ points im used to getting with medic and assualt on a 2.5x major victory. They really need to make sure the losing team gets at least a 1.25x or 1.5x bonus for every enemy battalion they hold off.
Another reason why its so frustrating is because i feel like ammo isnt really as useful to earn points as healing. i would drop a med pack in a bunker and earn like 500 points just like that. with ammo i get maybe 60 points. repair tool is useless now that tanks can heal themselves but i do appreciate the crossbow so i can take out tanks at a distance without going on a suicidal run to drop the mine.
And lastly, i have just been playing poorly lol. I still end up at the top of my team but I feel i am personally responsible for the team losing because of not finishing off kills that allow them to take objectives with just a few tickets left and not taking objectives because i failed to go on streaks i just go on with my medic and assault classes. Last night on the very last battalion we got them down to zero tickets but they took both objectives as died like a little bitch three times in less than a minute.
What's everyone's favorite LMGs? I want something that is quick and snappy, good sights and has more than 20 bullets.
Oddly enough, my SPM is still higher than it was for assault and medic but thats probably because i mostly played domination with those two classes.
I think support class is making me hate the game. ive had two very frustrating nights with barely any wins. My KDR sucks which i dont care about much but it is frustrating to die 5 times in a row in less than a minute. The LMGs are just too heavy to use, by the time i start firing the enemy has already gotten the first few shots in. i did much better in domination going 10-1 and 9-2 most rounds at the end of the night, but those rounds are over in a flash and its no fun waiting in post match/loading screen/pre match screens for like 3 minutes after a 5 minute round.
I like playing Operations but getting 10-15k points in 25 minutes is not rewarding at all. since i keep losing more games than winning, i dont get the bonus either. Even when i did win a round, i only got 40k points instead of the the 50k+ points im used to getting with medic and assualt on a 2.5x major victory. They really need to make sure the losing team gets at least a 1.25x or 1.5x bonus for every enemy battalion they hold off.
Another reason why its so frustrating is because i feel like ammo isnt really as useful to earn points as healing. i would drop a med pack in a bunker and earn like 500 points just like that. with ammo i get maybe 60 points. repair tool is useless now that tanks can heal themselves but i do appreciate the crossbow so i can take out tanks at a distance without going on a suicidal run to drop the mine.
And lastly, i have just been playing poorly lol. I still end up at the top of my team but I feel i am personally responsible for the team losing because of not finishing off kills that allow them to take objectives with just a few tickets left and not taking objectives because i failed to go on streaks i just go on with my medic and assault classes. Last night on the very last battalion we got them down to zero tickets but they took both objectives as died like a little bitch three times in less than a minute.
What's everyone's favorite LMGs? I want something that is quick and snappy, good sights and has more than 20 bullets.
Oddly enough, my SPM is still higher than it was for assault and medic but thats probably because i mostly played domination with those two classes.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
You actually play the objective. If I saw you on the other team I'd think to myself: "Okay, Squidge is going to be so annoying because he's always on the objective. I better watch my surroundings carefully.
Plus he is a dirty shotgun user huehuehue
Disagree Guy
Member
If you saw me on the other team your first thought would be -
"Ignore that guy - Redders is 5k score more" haha
To be fair I know my stats are above average but pretty much all of UKps4Gaf are around the same skill wise. It's ridiculous really.
Forerunner
Member
I'm still top 1% for cavalry. I don't know why more people don't use it. Half the time I don't even use the horse. I just dismount and melee everyone. The sword has ridiculous lunge range and you still have extra health even after you dismount. It's pretty much like a hero pick up.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
First things first, the MG.15 is a solid LMG. The Bar is my favorite but you don't want guns with only 20 in a magazine, so try that. Secondly, if you're constantly dropping ammo pouches/crates to everyone you see, you'll get a decent amount of miscellaneous score. Not as much a medic, but a good amount. Staying around B bunker in Monte Grappa also helps.I like playing Operations but getting 10-15k points in 25 minutes is not rewarding at all. since i keep losing more games than winning, i dont get the bonus either. Even when i did win a round, i only got 40k points instead of the the 50k+ points im used to getting with medic and assualt on a 2.5x major victory. They really need to make sure the losing team gets at least a 1.25x or 1.5x bonus for every enemy battalion they hold off.
Another reason why its so frustrating is because i feel like ammo isnt really as useful to earn points as healing. i would drop a med pack in a bunker and earn like 500 points just like that. with ammo i get maybe 60 points. repair tool is useless now that tanks can heal themselves but i do appreciate the crossbow so i can take out tanks at a distance without going on a suicidal run to drop the mine.
And lastly, i have just been playing poorly lol. I still end up at the top of my team but I feel i am personally responsible for the team losing because of not finishing off kills that allow them to take objectives with just a few tickets left and not taking objectives because i failed to go on streaks i just go on with my medic and assault classes. Last night on the very last battalion we got them down to zero tickets but they took both objectives as died like a little bitch three times in less than a minute.
What's everyone's favorite LMGs? I want something that is quick and snappy, good sights and has more than 20 bullets.
Oddly enough, my SPM is still higher than it was for assault and medic but thats probably because i mostly played domination with those two classes.
Thirdly, just learn from your mistakes and know the maps; Awareness helps you get the drop on opponents and get easy kills. If you use the MG.15 and get behind the enemy team, you will get a 5 piece easily.
VincentMatts
Member
I dont think its possible to actually play the objective and have a K/D higher than that
Offcourse its possible. Many people have it.
VincentMatts
Member
The people i know with a higher K/D ratio than that also have a much lower score per minute and lower skill rating than me. That to me are people who dont PTFO as much
The guys i play with and myself have all arround 3 kd and 1100 to 1400 SPM. And we PTFO like crazy. Top 4 of the team is usually us.
VincentMatts
Member
Yeah thats skill
WhiskerFrisker
Member
My two friends that I play with have SPM close to that. 1288 and 1240 respectively. One has a 2.91 k/d and the other has a 3.57. It's doable. I have a 920 SPM but it's going up.
Disagree Guy
Member
Yeah that's definitely skill.
UKps4Gaf usually has top 10 as all gaffers in every single game.
Usually the same people near the top but all of us have good KDR/SPM. It's only me with terrible KDR around 1.3 but it's just not possible to be a shottie user and have a higher much KDR whilst also playing objective. It's just not possible lol.
Ending an operation either attacking or defending with over 20k score is a sign of a good player. It's as simple as that.
Last night we were getting 38-40k for defending Monte Grappa and that's before the bonus haha
VincentMatts
Member
yeah thats good.
I play on ps4 pro, im consistently on top of the leader-board in pretty much 90% of the games i play in and my stats are:
K/D: 1.40
Score/Min: 914.32
Skill: 409.64
And thats with me being on top most of the time on ps4. Stats also depend on the platform youre on i think.
But i must say SPM gets less and less a factor if the game is longer out.
First if you play Operations the most you probably have a higher SPM then if you play CQ the most. And now the game is longer out the changes of someone from your group having a squad boost is also bigger. And we get 2XP events in the future. Wich influences SPM way to much.
First if you play Operations the most you probably have a higher SPM then if you play CQ the most. And now the game is longer out the changes of someone from your group having a squad boost is also bigger. And we get 2XP events in the future. Wich influences SPM way to much.
The Janitor
Member
The sharpening wasn't in the beta, god knows why they turned it up so much for the final game. This guy found the parameter for the sharpening, but you can't change it.
As you can see it's set to 4 in BF1, and only 0.1 in Battlefront.