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Battlefield 4 |OT| Prepare to Leave Beta... Nevermind

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Seanspeed

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Anton Sugar said:
Even though he's insufferable, Pwnstar thinks Silk Road is one of the best CQ maps in the Battlefield series. His reasoning is that, if you want to play infantry combat, there are infantry-specific modes for that
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Oh yea, of course. Its good to divide your playerbase up like that. Makes it so we're basically only getting half the maps it says we are, because only half of them will be useful to us! Great idea!

Ideally, the best maps make either playstyle viable. Its not hard. Many maps are very good at this.
 
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Anton Sugar

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Seanspeed said:
Oh yea, of course. Its good to divide your playerbase up like that. Makes it so we're basically only getting half the maps it says we are, because only half of them will be useful to us! Great idea!

Ideally, the best maps make either playstyle viable. Its not hard. Many maps are very good at this.
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...that's what he's saying. The best maps have a good mix of infantry and vehicle combat. I think he means that BF is wasted on 64 player Operation Locker and Metro, stuff like that.

Unless I'm missing something in your statement?
 
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Felix Lighter

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Anton Sugar said:
...that's what he's saying. The best maps have a good mix of infantry and vehicle combat. I think he means that BF is wasted on 64 player Operation Locker and Metro, stuff like that.

Unless I'm missing something in your statement?
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There is a specific type of map that is missing or at least not well represented. It's the medium-smallish sized maps with an Infantry focus but with some vehicles. Like Stalingrad from 1942 or Grand Bazaar in BF3. Some of the Conquest Small variants kind of do it but the maps don't feel designed for it. I do despise Operation Locker/ Metro style pure infantry maps but we could do with a little more infantry focused maps. I haven't played China Rising yet.
 
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mercenar1e

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The Battlefield 4 update on the PS4 got me excited so It installed and after starting it all I see is black... I hear the audio but no visual lol wtf is dice doing?
 
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Ocho

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Felix Lighter said:
There is a specific type of map that is missing or at least not well represented. It's the medium-smallish sized maps with an Infantry focus but with some vehicles. Like Stalingrad from 1942 or Grand Bazaar in BF3. Some of the Conquest Small variants kind of do it but the maps don't feel designed for it. I do despise Operation Locker/ Metro style pure infantry maps but we could do with a little more infantry focused maps. I haven't played China Rising yet.
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Flood Zone, Zavod, Shangai, Dawnbreaker, Hainan.
 
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BPoole

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Just finished a match where I had over 100k XP after awards and evrything and the game crashed while loading the enxt match. Of course none of the progress from the previous game was saved so it was all for nothing. Normally I wouldn't mind so much but I was using the Engineer class which has an awful starting gun and I had unlocked some new guns to use. Now I egt to do it all over again
 
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Overdoziz

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Why is there no overtime when M-COMs are armed with zero tickets left? Only having 75 tickets already makes it hard enough for the attackers on a lot of the maps, there's no reason to not have it in the game. No really sure why there are only 75 tickets for the attacking team either. The playercount has increased from 24 to 32 and the killtimes are faster so you'd think they would increase the ticket count to at least 100 or something.
 
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Anton Sugar

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I finished a match yesterday--no crashes, nothing, I leveled to 49, we started the next map, and I left. Later that day, I had to level to 49 again :-|
 
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Felix Lighter

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ocho said:
Flood Zone, Zavod, Shangai, Dawnbreaker, Hainan.
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Shanghai and Dawnbreaker wouldn't fit that category for me. I love both those maps but I would consider Shanghai a larger vehicle focused map and Dawnbreaker a good balance between infantry and vehicles. I'd also consider Zavod a balanced map.

Hainan, maybe could fit what I'm thinking of but there is so much open ground to cover for infantry.

Flood Zone is a little bigger but closer to what I was thinking, until the flood waters rise and infantry has a much harder time getting around.
 
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zma1013

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Anton Sugar said:
I finished a match yesterday--no crashes, nothing, I leveled to 49, we started the next map, and I left. Later that day, I had to level to 49 again :-|
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That's most likely a scoring discrepancy. There's a threshold if you get really really close to the next level, say within 1000 points, in-game it will say you leveled up, but you actually haven't breached the level yet.
 
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Bloodbathnbyond

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So what game type has the best odds of getting a china rising map??? And don't say air superiority. Ps4 version. There really is no server just for the new maps?????
 
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zma1013

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ocho said:
Flood Zone, Zavod, Shangai, Dawnbreaker, Hainan.
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I think he's more referring to maps that have only a few tanks and jeeps and nothing else. Stuff like Grand Bazaar or Seine Crossing or Karkand, basically, maps without air vehicles, and I agree with him. Flood Zone, Zavod, Dawnbreaker, and Hainan all have helicopters, and the latter 2 even have jets. Those are the opposite of what he's talking about. We need more middle, no air support maps.
 
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Ocho

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Felix Lighter said:
Shanghai and Dawnbreaker wouldn't fit that category for me. I love both those maps but I would consider Shanghai a larger vehicle focused map and Dawnbreaker a good balance between infantry and vehicles. I'd also consider Zavod a balanced map.

Hainan, maybe could fit what I'm thinking of but there is so much open ground to cover for infantry.

Flood Zone is a little bigger but closer to what I was thinking, until the flood waters rise and infantry has a much harder time getting around.
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zma1013 said:
I think he's more referring to maps that have only a few tanks and jeeps and nothing else. Stuff like Grand Bazaar or Seine Crossing or Karkand, basically, maps without air vehicles, and I agree with him. Flood Zone, Zavod, Dawnbreaker, and Hainan all have helicopters, and the latter 2 even have jets. Those are the opposite of what he's talking about. We need more middle, no air support maps.
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Yeah, I somehow skipped that he wanted infantry focused maps, not maps were infantry still has a huge impact in the game, even with vehicles. I prefer the later, though. Maybe DLC will help with that.
 
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TheSeks

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Overdoziz said:
Why is there no overtime when M-COMs are armed with zero tickets left?
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There is!
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BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT NO ONE CAN SPAWN

If you're down to 5 tickets tell your team to STOP SPAWNING. As soon as it hits 0, you hit "overtime" but if SOMEONE SPAWNS you lose.

I know because I've had overtime on a set ONCE on Operation Locker Rush second set.
We lost the third set
 
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Overdoziz

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TheSeks said:
[size=14pt]There is[/size]! BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT NO ONE CAN SPAWN

If you're down to 5 tickets tell your team to STOP SPAWNING. As soon as it hits 0, you hit "overtime" but if SOMEONE SPAWNS you lose.

I know because I've had overtime on a set ONCE on Operation Locker Rush second set.
We lost the third set
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TheSeks

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Yes, it's a really weird change. I thought there wasn't either until I told people to stop spawning and arm A second set. As soon as that happened I continued to yell "DON'T SPAWN" in text-chat and held it with a few others. 0 tickets left, BOOM. NEXT SET.
 
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The Faceless Master

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TheSeks said:
wUYCW5N.gif
There is!
wUYCW5N.gif
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT NO ONE CAN SPAWN

If you're down to 5 tickets tell your team to STOP SPAWNING. As soon as it hits 0, you hit "overtime" but if SOMEONE SPAWNS you lose.

I know because I've had overtime on a set ONCE on Operation Locker Rush second set.
We lost the third set
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i guess that fixes one thing about BF3. attackers could continue to respawn on 0 tickets if the objective was armed. *still remembers that 0 ticket overtime double triple reverse arm 2nd set on Damavand*
 
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TheSeks

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On one hand, I can see why they did the change. On the other, I can see why it doesn't make a lick of damn sense.

Honestly, I'm with Over and prefer the BF3 version. If you armed and you're down to 2 tickets and two people get taken out? It should set to overtime. HOWEVER it should also NOT allow people to spawn to where the defense can take ya'll out if you aren't careful an d you lose.
 
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Seanspeed

Banned
Anton Sugar said:
...that's what he's saying. The best maps have a good mix of infantry and vehicle combat. I think he means that BF is wasted on 64 player Operation Locker and Metro, stuff like that.

Unless I'm missing something in your statement?
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Ah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure Silk Road is the worst multiplayer map of all-time. Not really, but I do hate it. I'm usually all for variety and I hate it when people play with just a handful of maps on rotation, but I would be quite glad to never play Silk Road again.

I feel bad saying that because I know some people probably worked hard on that, but I would like to know what the general 'idea' for it was and how they thought it was a good idea.
 
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Grief.exe

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Seanspeed said:
Ah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure Silk Road is the worst multiplayer map of all-time. Not really, but I do hate it. I'm usually all for variety and I hate it when people play with just a handful of maps on rotation, but I would be quite glad to never play Silk Road again.

I feel bad saying that because I know some people probably worked hard on that, but I would like to know what the general 'idea' for it was and how they thought it was a good idea.
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They took the idea of Firestorm (BF3/Second Assault), just an empty desert with some building placed randomly and ran with it.

They did do some upgrades to Firestorm, such as varied terrain height and more interesting infantry encounters in buildings, but that is it.

They basically took the most mundane map from BF3 and iterated on it...yet they are bringing the mundane map over to BF4 via Second Assault.
 
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Seanspeed

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Grief.exe said:
They took the idea of Firestorm (BF3/Second Assault), just an empty desert with some building placed randomly and ran with it.

They did do some upgrades to Firestorm, such as varied terrain height and more interesting infantry encounters in buildings, but that is it.

They basically took the most mundane map from BF3 and iterated on it...yet they are bringing the mundane map over to BF4 via Second Assault.
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It doesn't feel like Firestorm at all to me, though. The capture points are all spread out. There are no proper buildings to speak of. Its just a largely open map with a few small dunes to stop from having end-to-end sightlines.

EDIT: Just read your comment about 'more interesting infantry encounters in buildings'. What are you talking about? What buildings? What 'interesting encounters'? No offense, but have you actually played the map? :/
 
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Grief.exe

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Seanspeed said:
It doesn't feel like Firestorm at all to me, though. The capture points are all spread out. There are no proper buildings to speak of. Its just a largely open map with a few small dunes to stop from having end-to-end sightlines.

EDIT: Just read your comment about 'more interesting infantry encounters in buildings'. What are you talking about? What buildings? What 'interesting encounters'? No offense, but have you actually played the map? :/
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I haven't, watched videos of the Domination matches going on in the hangars with all of the metal boxes spread out all over.

Makes for some very interesting infantry battles.
 
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TheSeks

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The Faceless Master said:
infinite tickets in overtime? i mean, it helped us get past that set but ... SO BROKEN

the real solution would be the game not letting attackers spawn until the set ends one way or another but DICE
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Right. That's the way it should work.

Arm and hit 0 tickets: No one can spawn after that point. Hold it for dear life. If you all die or if they defuse you lose.
 
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EVIL

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Scuderia said:
Just tried the ACE, i liked.

What's the best LMG?
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The M249 is really good, (200 rounds, almost lazer accuracy (short bursts), good fire rate.

2 loadouts I use:

Medium to long range LMG (Stubby Grip + Compensator + holosight + magnifier)

Close range LMG (Ergo Grip + Supressor + Tactlight or lazer + red dot - prefer my coyote for this.)
 
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TheSeks

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The Faceless Master said:
if you all die and they don't defuse, you should still move forward!
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I'm mixed on that.

If you armed just as you hit 0 tickets, you'd normally lose if you didn't arm. So if they kill you all in over-time and don't disarm, why should they lose for going out of their way to clear you all out?

On the other hand, I can see where you're coming from and that game should continue forward because they didn't defend/disarm the crate. But...
 
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The Faceless Master

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so in XBL news, is profile recovery a Gold only feature now?

on Monday i couldn't connect to XBL and was like "ugh... whatever" and did something else. so now on Tuesday i have the same issues and check online and everything is fine and check the network test and it passes and check another profile and it logs in fine so i delete my profile and try to recover it... and it gets to about 8% then i get a 800704DC error. i try this a few times and i get the same error.

so i head to Xbox.com and log in and everything works fine and i try again on the 360 and get the same 800704DC error. not knowing what else to do, i hit up text chat support and spent an hour plus with tech support as we tried all sorts of things:

change password (800704DC error)
doublecheck storage for account still being there then clear cache (800704DC error)
re-check all account information (800704DC error)
turn secondary authentication on (800704DC error)
try account password instead of app password (password error duh!)
turn secondary authentication off (800704DC error)
clear system update, download it again and try (800704DC error)
so the rep is like "well, we've tried everything, i'm gonna escalate this, someone should contact you in 24-48 hours"

then today i got an email that said this:

Dear Xxxxxxx

My name is Yyyyyyy; I am with the Xbox Customer Care Advocacy Team. We would like to thank you for taking the time to contact us in regards to your Xbox LIVE issue.

I have reviewed your account and discovered your Live subscription has expired as of 12/03/13, currently this is the reason why you are unable to connect to live.

If you have any concerns regarding this notice, you may either reply to this message or contact Xbox Customer Support directly using the information available at http://www.xbox.com/support/contact, and reference the Service Request number above, and someone would be happy to assist you further.

We thank you for your patience while this issue was resolved and appreciate your continued use of the Xbox LIVE service. See you online!

Sincerely

Yyyyyyy

Xbox Customer Care Advocacy Specialist
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and of course i'm thinking to myself 'what the fuck? do you even read bro?' and fire back an angry email disparaging the ability of the rep to do their job.

then i'm like "but i need that BF4 gun!" in my head so i call up MS tech support and the phone system recognizes i have an open issue and i talk to a rep and explain what's up and she looks over the issue while i'm on hold and then she comes back and we try a few more things...

*puts me on hold for a while*
clear cache and check to see if error still happens (800704DC error)
*puts me on hold for a while*
change primary alias on account (800704DC error)
*puts me on hold for a while*

and then finally, she comes back and says "lets try one more thing" and she gives me a 1 month XBL gold code and i redeem it on the website.

i try to recover again and it pauses at the same 8% spot like the dozens of times before this... then after a few seconds, it just continues and completes.

so was the email from the specialist right? is profile recovery now a Gold only feature?
 
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Milennia

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The Faceless Master said:
so in XBL news, is profile recovery a Gold only feature now?

on Monday i couldn't connect to XBL and was like "ugh... whatever" and did something else. so now on Tuesday i have the same issues and check online and everything is fine and check the network test and it passes and check another profile and it logs in fine so i delete my profile and try to recover it... and it gets to about 8% then i get a 800704DC error. i try this a few times and i get the same error.

so i head to Xbox.com and log in and everything works fine and i try again on the 360 and get the same 800704DC error. not knowing what else to do, i hit up text chat support and spent an hour plus with tech support as we tried all sorts of things:

change password (800704DC error)
doublecheck storage for account still being there then clear cache (800704DC error)
re-check all account information (800704DC error)
turn secondary authentication on (800704DC error)
try account password instead of app password (password error duh!)
turn secondary authentication off (800704DC error)
clear system update, download it again and try (800704DC error)
so the rep is like "well, we've tried everything, i'm gonna escalate this, someone should contact you in 24-48 hours"

then today i got an email that said this:



and of course i'm thinking to myself 'what the fuck? do you even read bro?' and fire back an angry email disparaging the ability of the rep to do their job.

then i'm like "but i need that BF4 gun!" in my head so i call up MS tech support and the phone system recognizes i have an open issue and i talk to a rep and explain what's up and she looks over the issue while i'm on hold and then she comes back and we try a few more things...

*puts me on hold for a while*
clear cache and check to see if error still happens (800704DC error)
*puts me on hold for a while*
change primary alias on account (800704DC error)
*puts me on hold for a while*

and then finally, she comes back and says "lets try one more thing" and she gives me a 1 month XBL gold code and i redeem it on the website.

i try to recover again and it pauses at the same 8% spot like the dozens of times before this... then after a few seconds, it just continues and completes.

so was the email from the specialist right? is profile recovery now a Gold only feature?
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Wtf, i used to recover every time i went to a buddys house... Maybe the cloud as a whole is gold locked?
 
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TheSeks

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It shouldn't be gold exclusive, but I wouldn't be surprised with Microsoft if it totally is now.
 
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