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Bayonetta 2 |OT| The time has come, and so have Wii!
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Astral Dog
Member
Im not a fan of the "twist" either, but retconning it? isnt it just filling the gaps? If you are talking about
Balder
I havent watched all of the ending
Coffee Dog
Banned
how do you unlock
in tag climax?
edit: lol someone answered that on the page before this. nvm.
baldur and rodin
edit: lol someone answered that on the page before this. nvm.
You either play online or play with CPU.
Lady Siara
Member
Hm, are you sure about this? I just finished the port of 1 and towards the second half, there were times where it felt like the game was dipping into 20fps or less territory.
Iv had some sound issues myself but I think it's the game
The VO work sounds very low quality it's almost scratchy on my set up
Astral Dog
Member
Well, i havent played the more demanding parts of the port yet, but it seems to be more or less the same than on 360, my point was that the port felt smoother than Bayonetta 2, were the framerate is more noticeable.
Saint Gregory
Member
Why did I not unlock Bat Within sooner? OMG it makes the timing for Witch Time so much more forgiving I'm getting platinums left and right now.
it almost feels like cheating!
Are any of you playing this with randoms online? Any good?
I'm afraid that once people find the broken stuff/glitches, online with randoms will be ruined.
I like the game so far (Chapter 7), but it almost seems like the designers are stubborn in correcting the actually annoying issues with the first game. The cutscenes and writing are still terrible, which usually doesn't bug me, but they're so...frequent that it becomes annoying to even skip them. The game visually looks so much better than the first, though I guess that comes at the cost of performance. Really crappy performance. PS3 Bayonettaish almost.
The mission/level design structure feels disjointed to me still with very unclear transitions between areas and a confusing lack of believability in the locales. I don't really care, but it plays tricks on my mind and makes me feel like the pacing is off.
I don't like the big aerial boss battles or whatever. I think they're boring and just become dodgefests but the humanoid battles (like the
) take the strengths of the first to a whole nother level. God, it's so good.
I can't be the only one that just wants to go from combat arena to combat arena. The game truly shines in those circumstances. Every other part of the game I just think is so lacking. But I thought that about the first too.
The mission/level design structure feels disjointed to me still with very unclear transitions between areas and a confusing lack of believability in the locales. I don't really care, but it plays tricks on my mind and makes me feel like the pacing is off.
I don't like the big aerial boss battles or whatever. I think they're boring and just become dodgefests but the humanoid battles (like the
Lumen Sage
I can't be the only one that just wants to go from combat arena to combat arena. The game truly shines in those circumstances. Every other part of the game I just think is so lacking. But I thought that about the first too.
Same, Bat Within is dope.
Anyone beat the first challenge room where you have to defeat enemies to increase the timer? It's the first one that truly had me stumped.
Uh...I mean I don't know what to say. It's not even close.
edit: Unless you played on PS3, in which case it's actually way closer than it should be.
Astral Dog
Member
I have to say one thing, i dont like the voice of the Masked Lumen,i know its Crispin Freeman, but i didnt like him as Sundowner either.
He just sounds dull/forced.
He just sounds dull/forced.
Saint Gregory
Member
I think I've done four of those increase timer challenges so far. The first two really weren't that bad but the last two... dear god I never thought I would finish them ;_;
Edit: Oh, I guess it would have been helpful to give a tip. Lock on so you can focus on one enemy at a time if you aren't already then use Ultimate Climax as soon as it builds up. No torture attacks as they waste too much time.
I played them back to back yesterday. The performance seems to get much better later in the game but Bayo1 is running at least 10fps faster.
Really? I've never heard that opinion honestly. Boring action games are ones where all you are doing is going from room to room killing enemies, it gets boring no matter how good the combat system is. The world, atmosphere, and pure spectacle is what makes Bayonetta 2 standout from the crowd in my opinion.
I feel so sad that you guys are all playing through the games and I'm here sitting for my shitty country to get some stock in a decent store..
I seriously do not want to pay $100 for the only game I could find in almost all the country
I seriously do not want to pay $100 for the only game I could find in almost all the country
(I was seriously considering paying that much... because dem hype)
No way. Bloody Palace is where it's at.
I hate to pick out this sentence, but did you play the first game primarily on PS3? It's not even remotely close to being anywhere near as bad as that game performed. There were full verses/levels running at sub 30 in that game.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I've played both B1 and B2, I can't see people using WAY/MUCH/REALLY to describe the difference in performance between the two. They both aint 60 most of the time in combat, and neither was Wonderful 101.
I can say that there was only one fight in Chapter 10 where the framerate got to me, which is more than I can say for all the Vorkken fights/final boss/ice level in Wonderful 101, or that last Tower platforming section in Bayonetta 1/the climbing the building section near the end that is just perpetual Ninja Theory, even on 360. And screen tearing, lots and lots and screen tearing. On top of that weird piss filter that made the whole game look dull and muted.
Hyperbole running wild in this mothafucka
I can say that there was only one fight in Chapter 10 where the framerate got to me, which is more than I can say for all the Vorkken fights/final boss/ice level in Wonderful 101, or that last Tower platforming section in Bayonetta 1/the climbing the building section near the end that is just perpetual Ninja Theory, even on 360. And screen tearing, lots and lots and screen tearing. On top of that weird piss filter that made the whole game look dull and muted.
Hyperbole running wild in this mothafucka
It may be a fun mode, but that's a seperate mode and should be treated as such. Am I the only one who thinks the story isn't that terrible in this game? It brings back Devil May Cry feels for me.
Tag battle is pretty nice for the "lets just fight some goddamn angels" and I like how there are so many stages. Is there a solo "bloody palace" in this game somewhere also?
Yes, I have both versions. This sits just north of 30 for a lot of verses. I'm not sure "not remotely close" is fair. What do you think the average framerate is of the game?
No idea. My memory might be failing me but I remember PS3 Bayo to be quite painful, to the point where I stopped going back to the game at all despite it being one of my favourites. This one has never felt that bad for me yet, except during select torture attacks (like the spiked wheel one on those
Bayo 1
Yeah, nothing's come close to the "fighting on top of the cars" or "giant statue room" levels from the PS3 game.
9 chapters in. None in sight.
Astral Dog
Member
For what it is, it isnt bad,Bayonetta 1 had the best story in the "series" behind DMC 3 imo, it has colorful characters over the top action, and looks "stylish".
But really, it has more personality than most action games, or other genres ,also a lot of lore for this type of game.,i prefer that to other games.(ehem ,Destiny,DmC).
I havent finished Bayonetta 2, but the cutscenes are a huge upgrade,also it was written by the DMC 3/DMC 4 scryptwritter, so its maybe that
badcrumble
Member
Umbran Climax is such a great way to even better smooth out that super-continuous Bayo difficulty curve. Use your magic meter for higher damage + health regen to make the game slightly easier in a pinch, or do Torture Attacks for bigger score bonuses to actually get those delicious Pure Platinums. So good.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I know you can play Tag Climax with the CPU but are you able to play this mode completely offline or do you have to connect to the internet?
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Still taking a while for me to get used to how the combat works in this game.
Bayonetta is so weak outside of Umbran Climax and Witch Time. It seems to be that way on purpose to emphasize the importance of both those modes they toned down her Wicked Weaves and moves outside of them.(Which I guess is why Witch Time is still present on NSIC)
Moves that would have sent Beloved sized enemies flying across the screen now don't even break auto guard for enemies half its size, or only stagger.
So it's been kind of awkward for me trying to play the game that way.(Barely using the meter options like in the first game) It's too early to say it's not doable, just at this point of the game it's not any fun compared to the firepower of Umbran Climax.
but unfortunately starting out, the duration of the mode is so short it's hard to get and practice and figure out what each string with each weapon does in the mode.
Those claims about combo potential being nerfed make more sense to me now though. It's not that bayonetta's combo potential got nerfed, just normal bayonetta in general seemed to. Inside Witch Time and Umbran Climax she seems to behave alot more like her base form in the first game.(Turned up to 100 in UC obviously)
Obviously I prefer how the first game works at this point since it's familiar, but I'm interested in seeing which approach I prefer in the long run.
Bayonetta is so weak outside of Umbran Climax and Witch Time. It seems to be that way on purpose to emphasize the importance of both those modes they toned down her Wicked Weaves and moves outside of them.(Which I guess is why Witch Time is still present on NSIC)
Moves that would have sent Beloved sized enemies flying across the screen now don't even break auto guard for enemies half its size, or only stagger.
So it's been kind of awkward for me trying to play the game that way.(Barely using the meter options like in the first game) It's too early to say it's not doable, just at this point of the game it's not any fun compared to the firepower of Umbran Climax.
but unfortunately starting out, the duration of the mode is so short it's hard to get and practice and figure out what each string with each weapon does in the mode.
Those claims about combo potential being nerfed make more sense to me now though. It's not that bayonetta's combo potential got nerfed, just normal bayonetta in general seemed to. Inside Witch Time and Umbran Climax she seems to behave alot more like her base form in the first game.(Turned up to 100 in UC obviously)
Obviously I prefer how the first game works at this point since it's familiar, but I'm interested in seeing which approach I prefer in the long run.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Thats why im not going to use a pro controller.
Closest thing to a 360 controller I can find.
Long term though, im hoping this works well:-
Nintendos controllers aren't shit for this type of game. Sorry.
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
I realy love these games holy shit. I can't believe I missed out on Bayonetta for all these years. Just ordered this beauty:
Oh neat! Was worried some of the characters would be online only
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
To be honest, im enjoying weak Bayo. My biggest criticism of the first game is it never felt that Bayonetta was in danger. Even if you was crap at the game generally, it felt like Bayonetta was overpowered and was basically going through the motions.
Bayo 2 without UC feels closer to Ninja gaiden. Yes you can fuck shit up, but make a mistake and you will get your shit pushed in, even by a basic grunt. I have no problems playing this way, even more so taunting and eventually equipping GoD.
Generally Bayo 2 feels eaiser, but I feel that you can make it much harder for yourself than Bayo 1, especially if you refuse to use items or buy bat within.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I'll say this, I can probably count the number of Torture Attacks I used on either of my 3rd Climax runs on one hand. With Umbran Climax, its like..why? lol. Umbran Climax can do just as much damage, hit more people, you don't have to use the full bar, generally faster, gets more points, etc. Yeah, you get the angel arms, but eh.
I think ThoughtsonSpeaking is right as seeing Bayo 1 and 2 as companion pieces, not narratively, but gameplay wise, too. I think Bayo2 is better than Bayo1 in several areas(visually, the gimmick sections, boss fights, weapon design, alt. costumes), but a lot of stuff is not necessarily worse, just different. Instead of working in TAs or back-forward instant weaves, I use Umbran Climax. Not really sure which one I prefer, its just..different.
I think ThoughtsonSpeaking is right as seeing Bayo 1 and 2 as companion pieces, not narratively, but gameplay wise, too. I think Bayo2 is better than Bayo1 in several areas(visually, the gimmick sections, boss fights, weapon design, alt. costumes), but a lot of stuff is not necessarily worse, just different. Instead of working in TAs or back-forward instant weaves, I use Umbran Climax. Not really sure which one I prefer, its just..different.
Just played the first two chapters after finishing Bayonetta 1 again to refresh my memory. Quite an amazing improvement so far. Bayonetta 2 looks better, plays smoother and feels a lot more polished. I've not seen much yet, but what little I've seen makes me very, very happy.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
I thought B2 was actually harder on NSIC but way easier on 3rd climax than normal/hard B1, theres no pain in the ass like G&G till NSIC.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Yeah. I honestly feel like Bayo 1&2 are basically Sonic 3 and Knuckles of action games. Without spoiling them both, it feels that gameplay wise Bayo 1 builds up to a climax and Bayo 2 basically holds it there.
I think that anyone who hasnt played either is in for a treat. These are two games that are going to feel so good to play in one or two sittings over a weekend.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Yeah the game is really missing a Gracious and Glorious.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ha, yeah that's a good comparison. I was also thinking of Metal Slug X to Metal Slug 3. X builds up to an alien invasion finish, and then 3 just ups the spectacle from level 1 onwards to a crazy ass finale. I love both, but my favorite of the two is...whichever one I played last, lol. They basically sit in the same spot in my head for favorite games, and I think in the long run Bayo 1/2 are gonna be the same thing.
edit: man, they nerfed the fuck out of G'n'G in this game. You can just air combo/relaunch them to hell and back. Its other enemies that are kinda dicks, breaking guard and what not. The Ardor type dudes in this game will just say "nah, nigga aint going out like that" and just combo break your ass.
Astral Dog
Member
I dont remember, but can you deactivate combat skills that you bought? that breakdance move is getting annoying.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I dont think so.
I dont think ive bought that or the portal move since my very first bayo 1 playthrough. They are useless IMO outside the odd combo video.