This has some of the best scores I've seen all year and it will probably be beaten out by freaking Destiny. :
Such as? I just looked at the PS3/360 MCs for 91+, none of them sold that poorly.
Really? Big releases? Which ones?
Good scores.seems to be another one of the good games from Platinum Games.
Platinum Games good games: Bayonetta, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising
Platinum Games bad games: MadWorld, Anarchy Reigns, Wonderful 101
so with this one PG will have more good games than bad ones. lets hope Korra don't make it a draw again.
I want this game so bad
No idea about in Bayo 2, but she's a greatly empowered, potent sexual force in the first game, but it's not an exploitative thing really. She teases people with it, but she's wholly the one abusing it, not having it abused by others.I feel bad about agreeing with Polygon but the oversexualization of Bayonetta has always been off putting to me, moreso than with other female characters. Maybe it's better in the context of the full game but I have never been able to get past it and I don't know why it's so uniquely upsetting to me with this particular character. That said I wouldn't penalize the game heavily in a review for it, especially when the game sounds so great.
Honestly, they should run an ad ASAP with some choice quotes from those reviews. It's the only chance the game has at any sort of success, which sucks.
Why do you think that men aren't still the primary target audience for games? You have a couple examples of things moving in the right direction but in the grand scheme of things I don't think what you're saying is true at all.Oh come on now
why do people still feel the need to bring up the tired - and almost certainly erroneous - assertion that teenage boys are the primary game playing audience?
Assassin's Creed and MGS both have a massive female following and conversely Bayonetta and Tomb Raider have a massive male following.
Your stance or position seems to be of an inately divisive one where there is no convergence of ideas. the fact is female perspective on the issue will probably be as diverse as men's. There have been plenty of female posters in this thread alone. And I suspect the upcoming days and weeks will lend themselves to a lot of articles by women on the matter.
Sexualization and sexuality are two different things. And I imagine different women will view it differently depending on culture, experiences and natural affinity.
I'm saying that it's wrong there aren't more. I'm saying it's wrong that so many reviews of this game are by men. There need to be different perspectives in games and there aren't.I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. There have been several articles posted from female games writers that view Bayonetta as an empowering character. The reason there aren't more is simply because the industry with all it's underlying societal sexist tendencies unfortunately doesn't have more female writers (and I'm not trying to blame the outlets themselves, here).
Also, this isn't just about what women think, it's also about how this game changes (or doesn't) mens' view of females. In that sense, it is VERY relevant for men to discuss this issue as well, as they are a part of what causes sexism in society.
I feel bad about agreeing with Polygon but the oversexualization of Bayonetta has always been off putting to me, moreso than with other female characters. Maybe it's better in the context of the full game but I have never been able to get past it and I don't know why it's so uniquely upsetting to me with this particular character, maybe it's just the character design. That said I wouldn't penalize the game heavily in a review for it, especially when the game sounds so great.
I'm saying that it's wrong there aren't more. I'm saying it's wrong that so many reviews of this game are by men. There need to be different perspectives in games and there aren't.
And honestly, yes, this should mostly be about what women think. What they have to say on this subject is far more important than what men have to say, full stop.
Different people have different taste, but most of the time it goes like that considering most character designer are male.
But, in Nathan Drake case though, he seems stand in the middle ground.
Except setting it up for PC is a complete nightmare that I've never managed to solve. Gah.
I would classify MadWorld and Anarchy Reigns are experimental games that can be fun if you are willing to give it a shot. Wonderful 101 is hot mess though...Platinum Games bad games: MadWorld, Anarchy Reigns, Wonderful 101
That might be largely true for Western games, but it's not as true for Japanese games. Many Japanese character designer try to pander to everybody - fangirls are a big and important audience to them.
These are good points and yeah, you're right, I was mostly speaking on Western games.I wouldn't say every game that has a male in it is just for men. I admittedly play JRPG more than Western ones, and there's quite a lot of times where men are pretty much only have personalities built around by what they think females will find endearing or sexy if the game was targetted at a female audience.
But yeah, for a majority of the games, that is otherwise true.
It's only a matter of time before Platinum get major success, with one of thier games. It's going to happe, if not with Bayonetta 2.
I hate to say it but Gies is spot on.
This is one step too far.
Right, though Bayonetta's character designer is female. So is the Wonderful 101 character designer, by the way - Platinum apparently has several female character designers. And surprisingly, one of the designers most (in)famous for sexy girls, Kinu Nishimura, also happens to be female.Different people have different taste, but most of the time it goes like that considering most character designer are male.
But, in Nathan Drake case though, he seems stand in the middle ground.
Okami ):
Grim Fandago is one such case
While it ranges between 100k-500k, it's most possible below 500k
I know it was different genre, different platform, in different time, but high metacritic score doesn't instantly makes people went crazy and buy it. I hope for Bayonetta wouldn't be one of this case.
I hate to say it but Gies is spot on.
This is one step too far.
He would know.
Like, was he joking there or serious about that "vaginal companion" stuff ? Anyone got that podcast ?I only know about him because I listened to the "Rebel FM" podcast he did with Anthony Gallegos, and there were quite a few times where he came off like a complete tool.
It's been, like, four years since I dropped that podcast, so my memory of specific things is mostly gone. But there are two instances that stick out to me. The first is Gies him bringing a guest on the podcast who went out of his way to brag about how often his girlfriend gave him blowjobs, a diversion that Gies had no qualms with and seemed to encourage. The second is Gies constantly using the phrase "vaginal companion" to refer to his girlfriend, because--as he explained on the podcast--the word "girlfriend" just sounded silly to him.
What you're doing is merely looking at her through a glance.
Her whole persona is defined as she doesn't care what you or others think, as she has her own destiny. She likes to flaunt herself because she knows she's that good.
Also, I've seen many people comment that she's apparently unattractive due to her odd proportions. How can that be a male gaze? That's like drawing a stickman with boobs, zoom on them, and call it a male gaze.
What you are doing (and essentially many people) is that you are looking at her without context.
I've only played the demo of the first game so I'm freely admitting that I do not have all the information necessary to reach a full conclusion. Just as an outsider who has mostly seen trailers, it's actually made me want to play the games less.No idea about in Bayo 2, but she's a greatly empowered, potent sexual force in the first game, but it's not an exploitative thing really. She teases people with it, but she's wholly the one abusing it, not having it abused by others.
Good scores.seems to be another one of the good games from Platinum Games.
Platinum Games good games: Bayonetta, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising
Platinum Games bad games: MadWorld, Anarchy Reigns, Wonderful 101
so with this one PG will have more good games than bad ones. lets hope Korra don't make it a draw again.
Who is she flaunting for though?!
No idea about in Bayo 2, but she's a greatly empowered, potent sexual force in the first game, but it's not an exploitative thing really. She teases people with it, but she's wholly the one abusing it, not having it abused by others.
For reference, all of Platinum's meta scores:
Bayonetta 2 - 91 (WiiU)
Bayonetta - 90/87/84 (360/PS3/WiiU)
Vanquish - 84 (360 and PS3)
Metal Gear Rising: Revengance - 83/82/80 (PC/360/PS3)
MadWorld - 81 (Wii)
The Wonderful 101 - 78 (WiiU)
Infinite Space - 75 (DS)
Anarchy Reigns - 73/71 (360/PS3)
that comic has been proved wrong so and so many times
Right, though Bayonetta's character designer is female. So is the Wonderful 101 character designer, by the way - Platinum apparently has several female character designers. And surprisingly, one of the designers most (in)famous for sexy girls, Kinu Nishimura, also happens to be female.
Nice scores. Sucks that the game is gonna sell like absolute crap.
That's not true. All you need is an adapter. It's so easy and it's a joy of using the Wii U Pro Controller on PC:
If you manage to work your way through all that, there's Tag Climax's two-player online co-op to master too. Not only does Tag Climax let you do battle with enemies not in the main game, it's actually also one of the best ways to acquire halos (Bayonetta 2's in-game currency), if you've got the chops for it. You can wager halos against your online partner as to who will get the highest score, with larger wagers upping the difficulty as well as the potential reward. Then, at the end of six rounds of furious battling, a winner is declared. Shared abilities like Witch Time and Umbran Climax ensure that there's an element of teamwork to these cooperative battles, and on higher wagers, they can get incredibly challenging.
This post makes me want to give the character/series another shot. I'll shut up now.Exactly!
The problem with Polygon's review is that Bayonetta is a fucking feminist.
Just because we aren't used to see females who enjoy to be sexy - because of our machist society - that the game is machist. On contrary, she uses her sexuality to make FUN of her enemies.
I understand that Bayonetta is a game made by and for men, but it's so hard to see such a STRONG female characters that I feel sad that these guys don't get it.
Btw, great scores, but I was expecting. Bayonetta 2 seems to be the GOTY.
I found this weird quote via google:
Like, was he joking there or serious about that "vaginal companion" stuff ? Anyone got that podcast ?
Who is she flaunting for though?! Is it for the random angel things shes about to perform a special move on and kill? I think it's for me and you. Why?
I think we can both agree that she is meant to be attractive, despite random outlier opinions.
And I think the context of this game being made by mostly a bunch of dudes for mostly a bunch of dudes makes this feel a certain way. It feels like the attempt of some guys to empower the type of characters that they've been making for forever, but they don't go all the way in doing it. It feels like they attempt to empower her by saying that she makes the choice to be a sex object rather than it being a thing thrust upon her, but the thing is that Bayonetta is a fictional character, so she doesn't really chose anything, she is whatever her makers want her to be. So here we are again with a female character defined by her sexuality and pretty much nothing else. In a world where that is exactly what most female characters are. I think that context will make this game feel creepy to some people.
Do you have other examples?
At least it seems to be quite rare. Okami in from 2006 and Grim Fandango from 1998.
BAYONETTA 2: Game Of The Year: http://youtu.be/gOJTTvDztEo
Nice scores. Sucks that the game is gonna sell like absolute crap.
I found her to be a really enjoyable character. I was surprised how much I enjoyed the story, as I expected nothing of it. In that first game, she becomes something of a reluctant guardian of a little girl, and her pull between being this sexy superhero, and this responsible adult who now has someone she has to take care of was actually pretty interesting. Similarly, the main male character, Luka, is torn between his hatred for Bayonetta on a moral level, with his attraction to her.I've only played the demo of the first game so I'm freely admitting that I do not have all the information necessary to reach a full conclusion. Just as an outsider who has mostly seen trailers, it's actually made me want to play the games less.
But hey, I enjoyed Lolipop Chainsaw so I can be won over.