Just play the game and don't read about it, hardly anyone's ever going to talk about the actual gameplay.
Exclusivity > Sales > Sexism > She almost landed on a poor squirrel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>combat/enemy design, etc...
What did you score it???
Ate they mentioning the value proposition of Bayo 1's inclusion in the reviews?
Ate they mentioning the value proposition of Bayo 1's inclusion in the reviews?
The best version of Bayo 1 no less. It's all just so good.Ate they mentioning the value proposition of Bayo 1's inclusion in the reviews?
Not surprised at Polygons review, even if I think I'm going to disagree with them. Part of the problem is, from what I've seen, Bayonetta games do suffer from an inconsistency. Character animation, voice acting, and character design are all communicating a hyper-sexualized character who is entirely in control of their own sexuality. However the camera movements do then undo some of that by reverting back to almost voyeuristic male gaze swooping and zooming. I've tried to figure out how to reconcile that with the more positive sexuality on display in every other aspect of the character and I don't think I really can, it really does seem like one aspect that's not on the same page as the rest. However the Polygon review is frustrating because I feel like it misses that point, while I'd like to think Gies has his heart in the right place, I think he is too quick to jump on "sexy = bad" at the moment.
What's fascinating about Bayonetta is that she works as a character because she's so much more then "a sexy female who kicks ass". Out pop-culture, geek pop-culture specifically, is littered with that archetype and its still done for the favor of a largely male audience. She even (moreso in the first game then what I've seen of the second) has a dominatrix like affect going on, and that is (often) the literal definition of submissive indulgence from a position of apparent dominance. But the way she carries herself and the way that she acts and reacts communicates a character who is in complete ownership of their actions and their appearance, something that is very often missing when it comes to "sexy kick-ass heroines"
Alright it's 5am here so I'll attempt to put something at least a bit coherent out there.
Bayonetta is a female main character, that's pretty unique in the gaming world. When discussing sexualization of female characters(and really female sexuality in general) I would much rather hear from women because they can actually express a point of view that is wholly unique. Women who play games have probably seen countless examples of blatant sexism and sexualization across hundreds of game. Men can of course recognize this too but it actually doesn't affect us the same way at all. Women have to constantly put up with the bimbo characters with completely unrealistic proportions. Or the completely wasted potential of female character ex: Miranda from ME having her ass be the focus instead of her character(thank you fidelio for that perfect example). Women barely ever get a reprieve from this it's so prevalent in games. The quality female characters are pretty few and far between.
So when a character like Bayonetta comes along that may be challenging these conventions I absolutely want to know more about it from their perspective. Men don't have to deal with that kind of thing, we have thousands of strong male characters that get to be the hero. We don't have the same perspective on this thing. Men see Bayonetta and automatically think "whoa she kicks ass, great female character!" Basically because she's different from the norm that she's automatically better. That isn't enough though, it deserves more critique than that. And I firmly believe that is a critique that women are way better suited to give because it's so specific to their particular perspective on their representation in games. What Bayonetta means to them is way more important than what any dude has to say on the subject.
Ate they mentioning the value proposition of Bayo 1's inclusion in the reviews?
You seem to paint sexuality as a war between males and females, and i don't get why.
IGN lists it as a pro.Have any of the reviews touched on the amount of unlockable content? There was a shit ton in Bayo 1 and I'm expecting the same or more for Bayo 2..
GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
Not all reviews. Some websites reviewed the first one separately. Why they don't review the entire package like The Orange Box?
GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
I like to think this video is a nice criticism of the whole argument: http://youtu.be/2uyj1nvMQus?t=2m13s Nostalgia Chick is Polygon in this case.GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
I don't pretend to act like males get off without being sexualised either. Pretty seems to be the standard of making a character "important" or "sympathetic". .
Nothing more broad minded than saying ALL OR NOTHINGThat reasoning is flawed, narrow and simplistic
Everyone should be able to critique the game and whatever themes it may carry.
Thats like saying only Black people critique San Andreas or only Asians can critique Sleeping Dogs because both demographics are just as marginalised in the gaming space.
Either everythign is open to critique from all aspects or nothing is
Not all reviews. Some websites reviewed the first one separately. Why they don't review the entire package like The Orange Box?
Of course it is, it has practically no competition.Still not enough to win the game of the year 'action' game award by your mainstream journalists.
GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
I have no clue, it was because people judging the game early and Toadette is a "damsel in distress" despite us knowing nothing how the game plays out. So pretty much people jumping to conclusions.OK.. can someone tell me what the controversy around Captain Toad is?
For one thing, why is there controversy around a game starring Toads?
Indeed, I miss the days when we could just enjoy a video game for being silly.Another quality review thread.
Isn't it fumny that the people who bitch about this ignore every other facet of Bayonetta's strength and with so they can just talk about how offended they are by her ass? It's sad.
D-D-D-DAMN
Seeing all these day of release embargos lately and then Platinum straight up not giving a fuck with close to two weeks before release is some cut throat type of shit.
They already know.
OK.. can someone tell me what the controversy around Captain Toad is?
For one thing, why is there controversy around a game starring Toads?
GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
Read their Hyrule Warriors review. That'll be enough.Think Polygon's Bayonetta review is horrible now, wait till Captain Toad is released.
OK.. can someone tell me what the controversy around Captain Toad is?
For one thing, why is there controversy around a game starring Toads?
Have any of the reviews touched on the amount of unlockable content? There was a shit ton in Bayo 1 and I'm expecting the same or more for Bayo 2..
Sometimes, I wish I could be half the woman Bayonetta is.
Might have to finally get a Wii U...
Alright it's 5am here so I'll attempt to put something at least a bit coherent out there.
Bayonetta is a female main character, that's pretty unique in the gaming world. When discussing sexualization of female characters(and really female sexuality in general) I would much rather hear from women because they can actually express a point of view that is wholly unique. Women who play games have probably seen countless examples of blatant sexism and sexualization across hundreds of game. Men can of course recognize this too but it actually doesn't affect us the same way at all. Women have to constantly put up with the bimbo characters with completely unrealistic proportions. Or the completely wasted potential of female character ex: Miranda from ME having her ass be the focus instead of her character(thank you fidelio for that perfect example). Women barely ever get a reprieve from this it's so prevalent in games. The quality female characters are pretty few and far between.
So when a character like Bayonetta comes along that may be challenging these conventions I absolutely want to know more about it from their perspective. Men don't have to deal with that kind of thing, we have thousands of strong male characters that get to be the hero. We don't have the same perspective on this thing. Men see Bayonetta and automatically think "whoa she kicks ass, great female character!" Basically because she's different from the norm that she's automatically better. That isn't enough though, it deserves more critique than that. And I firmly believe that is a critique that women are way better suited to give because it's so specific to their particular perspective on their representation in games. What Bayonetta means to them is way more important than what any dude has to say on the subject.
GAF loves to hate polygon but they are 100% right about the hyper sexualization of women in this game, it's laughable in most cases in this game actually
OK.. can someone tell me what the controversy around Captain Toad is?
For one thing, why is there controversy around a game starring Toads?
OK.. can someone tell me what the controversy around Captain Toad is?
For one thing, why is there controversy around a game starring Toads?
To be fair many places did review those separately too. And I seem tI recall it was Portal receiving the game of the year awards not Orange Box.
I agree with your whole post, but I especially appreciated this line. It's a weird truth of so much media/fiction, especially since there isn't really a correlation IRL.
Of course it is, it has practically no competition.
Pretty much. I look at it as the same as when I watched Panty and Stocking. It is so absurd and silly that it is hard to be offended. Bayonetta's clothes are her hair for petes sake.I see the sexualization in Bayonetta as a self-aware and ironic thing, but whatever.