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BAYONETTA An Action Game by Hideki Kamiya |OT|

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brandonh83 said:
I'm definitely going to have to go through the game again on easy or something. I'm just not very good at action games like this and DMC, never have been. I'm playing on normal right now and I'm at
Jeanne #3 on the side of the building
and I just see no hope for me winning this fight. I've been sort of struggling up to this point but I think this is finally where I just have to break over and set it to easy. Unless I'm missing something about the fight. Also, I'm not so sure that I'm really prepared enough, I haven't really been buying things other than life extensions and techniques.

Select the onyx roses, equip the flame durgas. Spam Punch + hold and repeat. When she jumps in the air, dodge her diving kick. The counter will blow up in her face, them do more durgas spam. Same for Gracious and Glorius. Flame durgas spam or breakdance spam.

Yea, I had a hard time with this game on normal too. Alot of gamers on this board have played DMC to death. I've never played DMC, or NG2, so I was new to this type of game.
 

-tetsuo-

Unlimited Capacity
Reading through the last few pages i kinda screwed myself :lol.

I just beat the game and through the whole thing I only upgraded my health once, magic 3 times and the only extra weapon I ever used was the Katana. No wonder some of the enemies pissed me off :lol
 

Aske

Member
jabipun said:
Truth be told I play this like Devil May Cry 3 w/ witch time LOL.

If I was playing this with a DS3, I bet I would too. But since the 360 pad is not built for constantly holding RB while hitting face buttons, I play it much more like Ninja Gaiden. I'm certain the game plays perfectly both ways (always locking on with R1 versus almost never) but it's probably a completely different experience depending on which way you do it: dueling with one enemy at a time while evading the attacks of the rest (DMC with R1 lock), or making opportunistic attacks on any adversary as soon as you see an opening (NG). I rarely use R1 modifiers in Bayonetta besides the Stiletto, whereas in DMC most of my gameplan was based around locking on and using them. I tried holding RB for a while during fights, but I had to switch to DMC style dodging (moving the stick and hitting jump rather than the dedicated dodge button), and it just didn't feel as slick. But I'm fairly sure the issue was with the pad rather than the game.

I should probably play the PS3 demo just to try out the game with a DS3, but I'd be so irritated if I massively preferred it and felt like both versions of the game were screwing me; one with performance, the other with the controller. I skipped both demos to avoid spoiling the game. Glad I did - the first few minutes almost melted my eyeballs with awesome.

ezekial45 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwGmtlWB1-g#t=3m18s

Finish 100 chapters on normal difficulty and above.

This is the only weapon I might cheat to unlock. I don't want to get bogged down in playing chapters just for the sake of it, and it'll be over six playthroughs before I have 100 chapters under my belt. I'd rather have SaiFon to use during those runs, when I'm aiming for Platinums or speed, not in the distance with Jeanne and the BoT as another tantalizing unlockable. But I'll feel so cheap if I use the code...


Edit:

Just realised something. Performing Dodge Offset while constantly holding R1 as I would in DMC would not be fun. The game really was designed around the 360 pad. Double tap the stick as an alternative inputs for most RB modifiers, dedicated dodge button...But I really like the way the camera stays where I need it to be when holding RB; and the RB+back+P/K is something I almost never use because it feels so much more like a move to use in the context of lock-on movement. I guess my solution would be a toggle lock-on for the 360. Tap RB and the camera would stay on one enemy no matter where I moved, and the controls would be and locked to the RB modified moveset until I hit RB again. Click the right stick to change targets. That would help so much with fights in the wider areas, and it would let me focus on moving in and out and working my RB modified attacks on one enemy any time I wanted without screwing up Dodge Offset.
 
What's the chapter you guys recommend for getting 100 chapters done? Or rather what's the quickest chapter.. and does the difficulty level count?
 

Monocle

Member
Dabookerman said:
What's the chapter you guys recommend for getting 100 chapters done? Or rather what's the quickest chapter.. and does the difficulty level count?
The Prologue is the fastest by far. Using the Kilgore exploit combo you can clear it in around 4 minutes. The difficulty needs to be set to Normal or above for finished chapters to count toward your completion total. The Climax Bracelet can be used if you have it.
 

ElyrionX

Member
Aske said:
This is the only weapon I might cheat to unlock. I don't want to get bogged down in playing chapters just for the sake of it, and it'll be over six playthroughs before I have 100 chapters under my belt. I'd rather have SaiFon to use during those runs, when I'm aiming for Platinums or speed, not in the distance with Jeanne and the BoT as another tantalizing unlockable. But I'll feel so cheap if I use the code...

Well you can stop thinking about it now because there isn't a code to unlock the sai fon.
 

Dreavus

Member
I just got the bangle of time after pushing my time to just under 2:59 (the one that lets you activate witch time whenever you want) and was disappointed to find out that you can't get witch time from a dodge with that thing on. Confused the hell out of me the first time I tried to use it. :lol

Still looking for a second accessory... the demon summoning one doesn't seem to do very much, and the "split into multiple forms" is also a bit underwhelming. I think I'm gonna save up for the "guard" one next, although somehow I doubt I'll have good enough timing to use it properly.
 

Footos22

Member
My brother let me play a part of his 360 version last night And after 10 mins off pure ownage. (i think im a natural). It was on chapter 6 i think. lava /city? I only got hit by an enemy once..
this is easily the best 10 mins of gaming ive played in a long time! So fluid, so smooth, so god damn awesome.

I have a PS3 and seeming im moving house again tomorrow i wont have the choice of borowing his 360.

Have i spoiled myself for loving the 360 version and then having to go to the PS3?
Is the difference really that bad?

I want this game so bad now its unreal
 
PowerSmell said:
Does anyone know how to perform the punish attacks consistently?

PPPKKP

Normally you's supposed to just floor an enemy then go up to them and use P or K. But that combo guarantees a P-Punish all the time.
 

ravien56

Member
So I must of spent maybe 30 minutes yesterday and another 30 minutes the day before trying to beat the prologue on hard and I'm just fucked. I cant do it. Whenever I fight Grace and Glory during the 3 torture attacks, they just keep hitting me, the most I got was 2/3 and then I die then I lose my patience and do shitty then turn off the game. Please someone, anybody, give me some tips on how to do this. Also, I just found out that when your equipping weapons, you can put certain items on feet, aka, daruga, so far all I got is the katana and Daruga, with handguns, whats the best combination?
 
Buy the accessory from the shop Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa that allows you to parry/block attacks. Its invaluable when fighting without witch-time and especially against Grace and Glory.

Also before doing a hard mode run through you should find all the other weapons in Normal mode, such as the Ice Skates, Bazookas and Whip.

My girlfriend is playing through Bayonetta now, and after I obsessed over the game to the point of 3-4 complete runthroughs, I have a strange empty void in my gaming life now that I know no other action game will live up to for a long while :(
 

Shito

Member
ravien56 said:
So I must of spent maybe 30 minutes yesterday and another 30 minutes the day before trying to beat the prologue on hard and I'm just fucked. I cant do it. Whenever I fight Grace and Glory during the 3 torture attacks, they just keep hitting me, the most I got was 2/3 and then I die then I lose my patience and do shitty then turn off the game. Please someone, anybody, give me some tips on how to do this.
If you just want to be done with this part, use a mega-yellow lollipop, and voilà!
If you want to beat it the legit way, know that you can skip it and finish the other chapters first (which are not quite as hard as this specific part), so to get a better grasp on hard mode and the increased aggressivity of the enemies.
 

Bernbaum

Member
Fuck yeah! Finished it - first playthrough on normal.

Wow. This really isn't my kind of game and I had more than my share of headaches, but goddamn if I didn't come away thoroughly entertained. The game doesn't let up to the very end, even during the final credits. Loved everything about the presentation, from Bayonetta's dripping style and sexuality to the music and cheesy dialogue.

I really learned a lot about how to play action games from Bayonetta and look forward to playing it again real soon to see how much I've improved. There are a few issues that I think will stand out regardless, such as the quicktime events and that fucking floating sphere, but I feel like I've just reached the tip of the iceberg with this game.

I found Father Balder reasonably easy and I must admit that any health lost to
Jubileus
was entirely due to my own poor timing and that beating that boss without continues is well within my grasp.

In hindsight, the only real brick walls that I hit were Grace/Glory and the later Jeanne fights, as well as that bloody floating ball. I would have liked more confrontations against vanilla enemies and perhaps there could have been a bit more variety in enemy types and less recycling of bosses, but it was all so much fun that it can be forgiven. I don't mind QTE's but I think Bayonetta's could have been better.

I'm in two minds about the AfterBurner/Bike sequences. They certainly break up the gameplay, which is refreshing, and it's hilarious that they've been included, but I can't help but feel that they drag on a bit. I enjoyed both on my first playthrough, but can see them being tedious in future.

Otherwise, it was a hell of a ride and I'm a better action game player because of it.
 

alu

Member
I bought this for the PS3, because this is my only choice as of now, and performance-wise, well... it's playable. Screen tearing and loading times can be annoying though, especially when you don't have the luxury of having a lot of free time.

I'm almost at the end, and it was definitely more of a frustrating experience than it was fun. I might've done a couple things "wrong" reading this thread, but I still played it like most people did. It feels weird when random enemies are much harder than any kind of endboss at times, and the game helps you sometimes when you absolutely don't need it and vice versa.

Over all I wouldn't want to play it again, but I did have some fun with it.

My advice to anyone that gets this and isn't used to action games like this: Play it on easy.
 

Dave1988

Member
Aske said:
I really like the Old costume. It's the only one that gives Bayonetta the sheet of flowing hair that she gets during the boss fights ('Serious' in the gallery). I wish the Serious costume was available to buy (regular costume plus boss fight hair). I also like d'arc for a bit of variety.

Get the Climax Bracelet. You'll be in "Serious" mode all the time then.
 

LiK

Member
ravien56 said:
So I must of spent maybe 30 minutes yesterday and another 30 minutes the day before trying to beat the prologue on hard and I'm just fucked. I cant do it. Whenever I fight Grace and Glory during the 3 torture attacks, they just keep hitting me, the most I got was 2/3 and then I die then I lose my patience and do shitty then turn off the game. Please someone, anybody, give me some tips on how to do this. Also, I just found out that when your equipping weapons, you can put certain items on feet, aka, daruga, so far all I got is the katana and Daruga, with handguns, whats the best combination?
You better practice against them more often. Grace and Glory are common enemies in Hard and there are a few parts where they throw 3 or more at you in one area.

I've gotten used to them. The only enemies that annoy me more than them in Hard are the Joys and the dogs.
 

Draft

Member
Augemitbutter said:
nice trolling right there, keep it up!
He's just trying to help multiplatform owners make an informed buying decision.

Much better than trying to confuse and obfuscate to support a system warrior agenda.
 

ElyrionX

Member
I've never been particularly good at action games like these though I do enjoy them immensely. Having said that, I don't get why people are having trouble with this game. Needing to press only a single button to dodge and the Witch Time mechanic are huge crutches for inexperienced gamers.

Also, since everyone is asking about where to find weapons, this link might be helpful. I've been using it all the time to make sure I'm not missing out on anything:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=946345&topic=52403547
 
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Think I'll definitely be picking these up, since the no doubt awesome KOTOBUKIYA statue will be crazy awesome yet crazy priced.
 
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Deleted member 30609

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weird tangential post: the Jeanne concept art in the extras menu is really cool
 
Learn to parry dammit!
It's incredibly easy to do(really all that matters is that you're facing the direction the attack is coming from). While some enemies can be pretty tricky in how they attack the Gracious family is very straightforward for the most part. As long as you're parrying one they're essentially locked down and can't do much of anything to retaliate. Even if they block your stuff and go for the counter you can simply parry that back and continue the assault.

Plus if you parry at just the right moment you trigger a counter attack. This gives you a ton of witch time(cept on Inf. Climax), a decent attack, and a small health boost. The witch time alone is usually enough to clear the entire area of enemies.

Parry is also great for the worms since you can hang back and throw their fireballs right back at them instead of contending with their constant tail-swinging.

It's easily the best accessory in the game imo.
 
I don't want to say something crazy like this was the best game I've ever played or anything but I'd be hard pressed to think of another game that had such a satisfying and enjoyable and ridiculous last hour or so.

Absolutely fantastic experience. Now I'm off to get the rest of the weapons!
 
alu said:
I bought this for the PS3, because this is my only choice as of now, and performance-wise, well... it's playable. Screen tearing and loading times can be annoying though, especially when you don't have the luxury of having a lot of free time.

I'm almost at the end, and it was definitely more of a frustrating experience than it was fun. I might've done a couple things "wrong" reading this thread, but I still played it like most people did. It feels weird when random enemies are much harder than any kind of endboss at times, and the game helps you sometimes when you absolutely don't need it and vice versa.

Over all I wouldn't want to play it again, but I did have some fun with it.

My advice to anyone that gets this and isn't used to action games like this: Play it on easy.

Is it really THAT BAD? I ask this because I was thinking about picking up the PS3 version after work. I'm not much of a trade-in sort of guy, but Gamestop has a promotion where I can get it for $20 if I trade in Tekken 6 (hate, hate, hated that game). For reference, I thought the PS3 version of Ghostbusters was quite playable.
 

Shito

Member
It is bad, but if you only have a PS3, nothing that should prevent you from playing this awesome game. Plus, if you never play the 360 version, you'll never know.
 

LiK

Member
RedNumberFive said:
Is it really THAT BAD? I ask this because I was thinking about picking up the PS3 version after work. I'm not much of a trade-in sort of guy, but Gamestop has a promotion where I can get it for $20 if I trade in Tekken 6 (hate, hate, hated that game). For reference, I thought the PS3 version of Ghostbusters was quite playable.
If you have both consoles, get the 360 version. Nuff said
 
Shito said:
It is bad, but if you only have a PS3, nothing that should prevent you from playing this awesome game. Plus, if you never play the 360 version, you'll never know.

I guess ignorance is bliss then. I do have a 360 (my 6th one in fact), and with the way it sounds now I don't think I'll be able to make it through the game without a RROD. A little screen tearing and whatnot doesn't bother me, I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't borderline unplayable like a lot of reviews would lead me to believe. Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
 

LiK

Member
RedNumberFive said:
I guess ignorance is bliss then. I do have a 360 (my 6th one in fact), and with the way it sounds now I don't think I'll be able to make it through the game without a RROD. A little screen tearing and whatnot doesn't bother me, I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't borderline unplayable like a lot of reviews would lead me to believe.
Read reviews online, most of the PS3 issues are listed or mentioned. They're noticeable to the point that the scores reflect it. But hey, it's your money, you have been warned :)
 
LiK said:
Read reviews online, most of the PS3 issues are listed or mentioned. They're noticeable to the point that the scores reflect it. But hey, it's your money, you have been warned :)

Fair enough. I've read quite a few of the reviews, but I find that most of these sites tend to exagerate things a bit. I was looking for more of a "man on the street" perspective. Regardless, I think I'll take my chances.
 
Draft said:
He's just trying to help multiplatform owners make an informed buying decision.

Much better than trying to confuse and obfuscate to support a system warrior agenda.

what are you even talking about? he's called sigma 2 a "crappy port" which is just stupid. you seem bitter about the facts for both bayonetta versions, so if you can't take it, better stay out of it.
 

LiK

Member
RedNumberFive said:
Fair enough. I've read quite a few of the reviews, but I find that most of these sites tend to exagerate things a bit. I was looking for more of a "man on the street" perspective. Regardless, I think I'll take my chances.
If you wanna compare, just play the demo for both consoles.
 
LiK said:
If you wanna compare, just play the demos for both consoles.

Does the PS3 demo reflect the quality of the final game? If so, I had no huge issue with it, but I do realize that sometimes these demo levels are finely tuned.
 

Shito

Member
The PS3 demo reflects the quality of the final game, except for the worst offender: loadings are longer when playing from the disc.
I guess your choice boils down to how much you can stand long loading times.
 
RedNumberFive said:
Does the PS3 demo reflect the quality of the final game? If so, I had no huge issue with it, but I do realize that sometimes these demo levels are finely tuned.

you won't have any issues then, the game runs fine, you'll just have to live with long loading times, but at least the tearing is minimal. if you can appreciate better sound, the PS3 version features a DTS track, 360 doesn't have this.
 

Draft

Member
Augemitbutter said:
what are you even talking about? he's called sigma 2 a "crappy port" which is just stupid. you seem bitter about the facts for both bayonetta versions, so if you can't take it, better stay out of it.
Why would I be bitter? I own the objectively superior version of Bayonetta. It's great.
 

LiK

Member
RedNumberFive said:
Does the PS3 demo reflect the quality of the final game? If so, I had no huge issue with it, but I do realize that sometimes these demo levels are finely tuned.
Wish my PS3 ver arrived by now so I can give you a definitive answer. I already played the 360 ver to death so I can point out the differences myself.

But if you're dead set on the PS3 ver, go for it. Sega gets the money either way
;)
 
Draft said:
Why would I be bitter? I own the objectively superior version of Bayonetta. It's great.

while the 360 version is technically "objectively superior," people are carrying on about it in a very "console warrior" sort of way. And that shit riles people up, and those who are doing it fucking know it.
 
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