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BBC's The White Queen |OT| A war that won't be won on the battlefield

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Wes

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Warning: This series premiere's in the UK on June 16th but not until August 10th in the US. There may be open spoilers in here between now and the Starz launch.

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Production
The BBC's flagship summer drama this year is an adaptation of Phillippa Gregory's historical fiction series The Cousin's War. Each episode cost more than £1million to make with a total budget of £25million. Shot on location in Belgium.

Synopsis
The year is 1464 and England has been at war for nine years battling over who is the rightful King of England – it is a war between two sides of the same family, The House of York and The House of Lancaster.

The White Queen is the thrilling story of the women caught up in the ongoing conflict for the throne – they are some of the most ruthless players in history and will stop at nothing to support their own causes and those of the ones they love.

Characters

House of York
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  • Rebecca Ferguson as Elizabeth Woodville

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    Elizabeth was married to Sir John Grey, who died at the Second Battle of St Albans in 1461 fighting for the Lancastrian king, Henry VI. Elizabeth’s father, Baron Rivers, also supports the House of Lancaster. Her mother Jacquetta is a relation to both Henry VI and his wife Margaret of Anjou.

    One morning Elizabeth begs the new York king, Edward IV, for mercy and to have her late husband’s land returned to her and her two sons. Edward – who has a reputation as a bit of a playboy – falls for her instantly.

    She is warned by her family to stay away, she is a Lancaster and a commoner, the York King will never make an honest woman of her. But will love conquer politics?


  • Max Irons as Edward IV of England

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    Born in 1442 to Richard, Duke of York. He was the great-great grandson of Edward III, where his claim to the throne lies.

    With the support of his cousin Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick – also referred to as the Kingmaker – he defeated the Lancastrian forces and was declared King at just 19.

    Three years into his reign, he meets Elizabeth Woodville a widow and a Lancastrian supporter. They fall in love much to the displeasure of Warwick, who feels their relationship undermines the Yorkist campaign. Warwick would rather Edward marry a French princess for diplomatic reasons. Can he defy the man who helped him become King?


  • James Fran as Lord Warwick, "the Kingmaker"

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    Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, was pivotal in Edward IV being crowned King of England, and is also known as Warwick the Kingmaker.

    He does not approve of Edward’s relationship with Elizabeth Woodville, a widow and a Lancastrian supporter. He wants Edward to have a diplomatically advantageous marriage to a French princess, so that his reign may be more secure.

    He has two daughters, Isabel and Anne, who is determined to marry off to influential families.


  • Janet McTeer as Jacquetta Woodville

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    Jacquetta was the daughter of Count Peter of Luxembourg. When she was 17 she married John of Lancaster, Henry V’s brother. He died two years later and the marriage was childless.

    Sir Richard Woodville was John’s chamberlain and accompanied the young widow back to England from Normandy. On the voyage they fell in love and were married in secret. This caused a huge scandal at the time, as Richard was a commoner. They were fined £1000 as they had not sought permission from King Henry VI.

    Richard was later made Baron Rivers and helped Henry VI in his battles against the York claimants to the throne. They had 14 children including Elizabeth Woodville.

    Although Jacquetta supports, and is related to, the Lancastrian King Henry she recognises the importance of staying on the side of power. She encourages and aids Elizabeth’s relationship with Edward, while hiding it from her husband.


  • Faye Marsay as Lady Anne Neville

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    Lord Warwick's daughter—a pawn in her father’s battle for control
    as Princess of Wales (House of Lancaster) and eventually queen consort to King Richard III (House of York).

  • Caroline Goodall as Cecily Neville, Duchess of York, a granddaughter of John, Duke of Lancaster, she was mother of Edward IV, George of Clarence, Richard of Gloucester, and aunt to Lord Warwick.



  • Eleanor Tomlinson as Isabel Neville, Duchess of Clarence, wife of George, Duke of Clarence and elder sister of Lady Anne Neville.

  • Ashley Charles, as the Prince of Wales
    (later King Edward V), eldest son and heir to Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville; later one of the Princes in the Tower.

  • Freya Mavor as Elizabeth of York,
    eldest daughter and child to Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville, later consort to Henry VII.


House of Lancaster
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  • Amanda Hale as Margaret Beaufort

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    A fierce Lancastrian supporter, Margaret was married to the half-brother of the Lancastrian King Henry VI. Her husband, Edmund Tudor, died in battle shortly after they were married. She had her only child, Henry Tudor, when she was just 13.

    A wealthy heiress, she will not accept Edward as King, especially with Henry VI still alive. She is disgusted with Jacquetta Woodville for switching to the House of York.



  • Joey Batey as Edward of Lancaster, son of Henry VI and Margaret of Anjou.
    Edward is married to Lady Anne Neville as her first husband.


  • Oscar Kennedy portrays a youthful Henry Tudor and Michael Marcus as Henry VII of England;
    only son and heir of Lady Margaret Beaufort by Sir Edmund Tudor.



  • Tom McKay as Jasper Tudor, brother-in-law to Lady Margaret Beaufort and uncle to Henry Tudor.


Trailers
BBC Launch Trailler
BBC Series Trailer
BBC Director's Cut Trailer
Starz Series trailer

Series Info
Series 1 - 10 Episodes.

Broadcast Info
UK - BBC One - Starts 9pm-10pm, June 16th. Broadcasts every following Sunday.
US - Starz - Starts 9pm/8c, August 10th.


NB: As this is a fictional drama based on historic events I have marked in spoilers major events for the characters.
 

Effect

Member
I hope the blu-ray comes soon after it finishes airing. I don't have Starz. I really enjoy historical dramas like this. That is if it won't be getting a BBCAmerica release at some point.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Any impressions, UK GAF?

In UK Debut, Starz/BBC Drama ‘The White Queen’ Wins Sunday Night Ratings Crown

Starz/BBC series The White Queen launched on BBC One on Sunday night with an average 5.33M viewers, according to overnight data. That was enough to win the night with a 22.83% share from 9PM-10PM, but was off about 600,000 viewers from the slot average, according to Broadcast.

Looks like the show if off to a nice start.

Also,

When the series kicks off on Starz on August 10, viewers will see a slightly different version than in the UK. Irons recently told Britain’s Metro, “You get a lot more arse in the Starz version – the cameras kept rolling after the BBC stopped the scene.” A spokeswoman for the series confirmed to The Telegraph that the an additional 30 seconds on “two or three” occasions had been filmed, but said there were no extra scenes written or shot for the Starz take.

dat Starz mandated nudity
 

Empty

Member
i watched a bit of this last night and wasn't impressed. max irons is incredibly hot but terrible at acting and the script leaves a lot to be desired.

i also thought it was pretty funny how the opening title music sounds really similar to game of thrones then it suddenly cuts to someone in armour wandering through a ominous snowy forest.
 
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Looks interesting. I also had no idea that Jeremy Irons had a son, who was also an actor.
 

Wes

venison crêpe
Any impressions, UK GAF?

Very much a "first episode". In fact it reminded me a lot like a pilot for a US show. We were thoroughly introduced to the titular character and the basic premise/motivation for the show. Lots of exposition. All the interesting conflicts were mainly done off screen unfortunately, but I guess these will become clearer in later episodes.

Max Irons annoyed me greatly, but the lead actress was really good.

The locations and costumes looked nice, but the set design was a bit lackluster.

It has my interest piqued but it wasn't the barnstormer all the hype had led me to believe it would be.
 

f0rk

Member
Pretty much agree with Wes. Was OK will watch next week

Slightly off topic, are there any good books in the vain of Rubicon: The Last Years of the Roman Republic about The War of the Roses? Not interested in historical fiction
 

f0rk

Member
I don't think so but there was some weird pagan magic stuff.

Is this normal for the series, I never read the book.

Wikipedia says the mother was trialled for witchcraft at one point but cleared so I'm guessing the writer of the book picked it up and ran with it. Why I don't really like historical fiction much, easy for them to take liberties with the sources and blow things out of proportion.
 

Ducarmel

Member
Wikipedia says the mother was trialled for witchcraft at one point but cleared so I'm guessing the writer of the book picked it up and ran with it. Why I don't really like historical fiction much, easy for them to take liberties with the sources and blow things out of proportion.

Wiki says the Phillippa is a fantasy writer and has a habit of not being historically accurate, I dont mind that but I would have liked to be warned of it, the witchcraft surprised me a little felt a little out of place.
 
I thought it was boring, but then I was constantly comparing it to The Tudors. It just didn't hold my attention as much TD, the actors were all dull, general tone and direction was dull and lacking, no real ambition behind this.

Will stick around for episode 2 as it seemed more meaty in the preview, but disappointing first impression.
 

Wes

venison crêpe
Second episode is about to start. Hoping for some in depth introductions to the other characters.
 

Wes

venison crêpe
Well, that was a frighteningly disappointing episode. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if CW's Reign turns out to be better series than this. So much nonsense in the way the story is being told alongside some terrible editing that I found myself losing interest.

Such a pity as it's such an interesting period in history.
 

Wes

venison crêpe
Third episode is about to start. I'll catch it later on the iPlayer, I'm too disappointed in how it turned out in the second episode to want to watch it live.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
So yeah, The White Queen premieres in the US next Saturday on Starz. I see there are three episodes left in the UK - what say you UK TV GAF? Yea or nay?

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RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Hm, The Daily Beast doesn't have very many kind things to say about it...

There is a great deal of sex in the first episode [...]

Fortunately the actors are not plagued by the usual health and dental issues that affected people of all rank in the Middle Ages. As tastefully shot but historically dubious soft-core porn, The White Queen certainly ticks all the available boxes.

The real problems, of course, arise when our principals put their clothes on and attempt to act their way through a script that charges through its plot with expository dialogue that we expect from a Lifetime movie, not a distinguished 10-part epic. It could have been a classic had it not taken so many wrong turns. The endless barrage of errors (Drainpipes in the Middle Ages? Zippers? You cut your own neck hard enough to draw blood, and it doesn’t even leave a mark?) gives an impression of laziness.

Truly, this is no Game of Thrones, Downton Abbey, or Brideshead. Fortunately for Starz, the viewers might just keep hanging on for the next time the lead actors get their tunics and corsets off and put a little fizz into this otherwise sparkle-free show.

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TCRS

Banned
The endless barrage of errors (Drainpipes in the Middle Ages? Zippers? You cut your own neck hard enough to draw blood, and it doesn’t even leave a mark?) gives an impression of laziness.

lol yeah I read about that a while ago. There is also supposed to be a stainless steel railing in one of the shots lolol. Looks like they rushed through the production to jump on the GoT bandwagon and as a result we got a pretty shoddy show.
 
The show was just a load of bollocks, the BBC trying very hard to copy GOT vibe.

The BBC is best when it's doing something original, but when it's copying it's always substandard.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I watched the pilot and bailed, and I almost never do that to a show. It was awful.

Better or worse than Ray Donovan? ;)

Shame this show sucks, maybe I'll give it a try when this season is over.

Yeah, me too. I might just wait until the season is over and then watch it all at once. (I'm a sucker for period pieces and can't resist even the shitty ones)

It would be hilarious if Reign ended up being the superior "queen" show.

The CW making a better period drama than the BBC? What is the world coming to?!
 

Wes

venison crêpe
So yeah, The White Queen premieres in the US next Saturday on Starz. I see there are three episodes left in the UK - what say you UK TV GAF? Yea or nay?

I bailed. For a series that got such promotion as the BBC's main weekend drama over the summer the bits I saw (I only watched the first 3 episodes in the end I think) were pretty terrible. The script was horrendous. Some of the acting was atrocious. The set design was strangely lackluster considering it was all shot on location and cost over a £1m each episode.

I think the three female leads will probably come out of it with some credit and they'll go on to do other large TV dramas in the near future but there's not much else promising from this series.

I repeat, that's only my opinion after seeing 3 episodes. It may have got better, but I doubt it.
 

Timbuktu

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The show was just a load of bollocks, the BBC trying very hard to copy GOT vibe.

The BBC is best when it's doing something original, but when it's copying it's always substandard.

For me this was just completely upstaged by The Hollow Crown last year, especially Richard II. That looked fantastic and they could not have matched that cast and of course, it was Shakespeare.

Really want the BBC/HBO Wolf Hall adaptation to be great.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I bailed. For a series that got such promotion as the BBC's main weekend drama over the summer the bits I saw (I only watched the first 3 episodes in the end I think) were pretty terrible. The script was horrendous. Some of the acting was atrocious. The set design was strangely lackluster considering it was all shot on location and cost over a £1m each episode.

Yikes, sounds like a disaster! I guess I'd be better off just waiting until it's over and then marathoning it all at once.
 

Empty

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not only is this terrible but it's the rare bbc drama to get ten episodes and a huge budget. ffs.

Really want the BBC/HBO Wolf Hall adaptation to be great.

this is a thing?! and looking it up it's written by someone who worked on the tinker, tailor, soldie, spy. uh holy shit
 

Clevinger

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Arrow is enjoyable bad? Others on GAF would have me believe it's enjoyable good. Hm.

I'm pretty hard to please. You should listen to them more than me. And I prolly shouldn't say it's strictly bad because there are great things about it (the action, it imitating Nolan's Batman films), but it has plenty of flaws and those flaws are enjoyably bad.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Series premiere on Starz is tonight!

In Love With The King

'In Love With The King' In 1463, the lust between a Lancastrian commoner and Yorkist King turns into a secret wedding and a new Queen of England. But two women not so smitten with the arrangement vow to take her down.
 
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