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[RetroGamingUK]

People who say “____ is the future of gaming” can fuck off.

I’ve heard it time and time again and it’s tedious now.

VR is PART of the future of gaming, not THE future.

 

[FunkMiller]

If we keep getting excellent VR games like Arkham Shadow, then I’ll be more onboard.

Sadly, I think games like that are few and far between. Most VR developers are still stuck in the 'gee shucks ain't VR great?' stage of VR games development, where they still treat the format as a novelty, and think it can do all the heavy lifting for them. That's why most games are short and/or shallow experiences that would be absolute trash if they were normal games. Arizona Sunshine for instance is shallow piss, with very little gameplay variety or storyline. But it's still hailed as being one of the best VR games. Blade and Sorcery is a dull, janky mess, once you get past the whole 'aren't the physics great' schtick.

Arkham Shadow is a genuinely great game regardless of it being VR. The platform isn't going to become actually successful until every game is like that.

Let's see how games like Behemoth fair in the future.

 

[Pejo]

I think he's mostly right. It's difficult to demo and not everybody can have a satisfactory experience currently with the tech that's available, but once you experience stuff like the Astro Bot VR game, you can see that even traditional 3rd person games can be really immersive and improved by VR.

 

[bundylove]

It will never be the future.
Based on my own experience and the 1/8 inch thick dust layer on my psvr2 it will never be the future.

Its too much work. And i cant play for hours like a normal game.

in the summer its a chore. Too hot too uncomfortable etc.

Games are fun but too much garbage.

And yes , would be nice to be able to play games in third person view with a normal controler, that would be huge for me but devs dont care.

Astro proved it can be done

 

[Shake Your Rump]

 

[RoboFu]

I've been very disappointed in vr but I would still love to Nintendo make a vr console.

 

[Edgelord79]

No it isn’t. Holodecks are.

 

[bundylove]

I've been very disappointed in vr but I would still love to Nintendo make a vr console.

BUt they already did

 

[dave_d]

I figure VR will really take off when the VR headset looks like a pair of sunglasses and is just as easy to put on.(Ok maybe a cable going to a pack on your belt.)

 

[Pejo]

I've been very disappointed in vr but I would still love to Nintendo make a vr console.

Uh...

 

[Mister Wolf]

Yeah but 3D is more dimensions than 2D. It’s immersive and realistic. Why, once the technology improves, nobody will ever want to look at an old fashioned 2D screen ever again

I'm using a top of the line brand new stereoscopic 3D display currently. It's niche. People don't care that much.

 

[StereoVsn]

Skyrim had er... acceptable vr controls and I agree it added a lot. I'm just saying I could go without if the developer decided it was enough of a challenge to not be worth it. For me, a vr headset alone is an awesome upgrade for input and output. If I could play rebirth or stellar blade all the same, but with a vr camera (able to look around, depth perception, sensory deprivation, otherwise "there"), I would be quite happy.

Oh, no I meant Skyrim and Fallout had terrible VR controls without a ton of mods.

Imagine Skyrim with proper VR controls so weapon actions, magic, items, doors, books, etc were used naturally, without friction a regular controller introduces.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

One day, one very distant day.

 

[rofif]

No. vr sucks.
This guy whole channel is vr focused so of course he will say that.
Vr = I can't be doing what eve in stellar blade is doing jumping around and shit. I can't do that

 

[bundylove]

VR is the future of porn, not videogames

Untill you walk out the door with your dick in your hand.
God help you out of that situation

 

[Wonko_C]

Starfield would be infinitely better in VR.

This. VR actually made me like Skyrim. I played it back in the 360 days and I hated it. Wonky combat, ugly characters. Earlier this year I bought Skyrim VR on sale and modded it with Mad God's Overhaul and now it's one of the best games I've ever played: Everything is interactive, you can grab stuff and pocket it into your "backpack", or you can even pull things to you like Alyx's gravity gloves. You can do the Palpatine with the electricity magic, melee combat doesn't suck now, archery is always cool, you can even speak the dialog with NPCs instead of selecting it from a menu, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Even if headsets were 100% perfect and free, it still wouldn't catch on, because it is this style of gaming itself that is unliked, not the barriers.

It's all well and good I can unindex my spreadsheet and treat it like it was a real object, but is it really necessary or helpful beyond the short term novelty?

It's cool for a time, then it wears off. I get it, I loved my virtual boy too, but this is that. Don't think you are experiencing a future we are too dumb or poor to partake in. We aren't. We tried it already and it wasn't good. To us. The younger you are the more you will like this and not for any existential reason, just that kids like novelty.

Don't be shocked nintendo never tried this. They did. Virtual boy is old old old. This sucks for the same reasons that did. Sorry fellas.

Uh...

The Virtual Boy wasn't a VR headset, it was just a playable peepbox, a monochrome 3DS for your face. They just plastered the world "virtual" for marketing reasons.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

No interest in VR and hope it takes as long as possible before it becomes the majority which will happen eventually.

 

[Crayon]

No. vr sucks.
This guy whole channel is vr focused so of course he will say that.
Vr = I can't be doing what eve in stellar blade is doing jumping around and shit. I can't do that

Don't be so negative. I bet you can do backflips, roundhouse kicks, and we can squeeze you into those outfits too.

 

[poppabk]

I want full vr modes for existing games MORE than dedicated vr games. And trying to translate a flat game to hand controls is a big ask for those conversions. I'm cool with a controller. Astrobot, Wipeout, RE7, Polybius, plenty of games are great seated with a controller and/or 3rd person. It's not much to ask ESPECIALLY when sony hinted this was in the cards.

It's not that big an ask when modders can do it.

 

[cash_longfellow]

This mfers common sense died late 2019 with the rise of Covid

 

[cyberheater]

It needs to be as easy as putting on a pair of glasses and instant on.

 

[diffusionx]

2D->3D->VR. It's a whole new paradigm for videogames. it just did not have the transition the way 3D has.

 

[ZehDon]

As a massive VR fan, I'd disagree. VR is simply another way for games to be enjoyed. It's a genre, not a medium.

I don't want every game in VR, and I don't want tacked on "VR Modes" in every game. I want purpose built VR games that are designed to take full advantage of it. Into the Radius is the high point - it's every gameplay system is designed around the tactile nature of VR interaction. More of that, please.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I think it's awesome to have VR support for those that love VR. But, I still don't think "VR is the future". Until they can find a way for VR not to make people sick (which isn't possible as far as I know), it's always going to be held back.

 

[KXVXII9X]

Saying such a thing at a time when VR is slowly dying, is kinda stupid.

Slowly dying?

This has probably been the biggest period for VR since 2020. I'd say it is finally starting to really take off again after a little detour.

 

[Romulus]

Even if headsets were 100% perfect and free, it still wouldn't catch on, because it is this style of gaming itself that is unliked, not the barriers.

It's all well and good I can unindex my spreadsheet and treat it like it was a real object, but is it really necessary or helpful beyond the short term novelty?

It's cool for a time, then it wears off. I get it, I loved my virtual boy too, but this is that. Don't think you are experiencing a future we are too dumb or poor to partake in. We aren't. We tried it already and it wasn't good. To us. The younger you are the more you will like this and not for any existential reason, just that kids like novelty.

Don't be shocked nintendo never tried this. They did. Virtual boy is old old old. This sucks for the same reasons that did. Sorry fellas.

It wouldn't be dominating all game consoles on Amazon if it was a fad or "wore off."

Virtual boy? Lmao.

Both versions of quest have been above all game consoles for a month, even the $500 version.

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[ap_puff]

There's still too many barriers imo. I think it'll be difficult to be mainstream as long as it's tied to a headset.

 

[ArtHands]

Saying such a thing at a time when VR is slowly dying, is kinda stupid.

Just because PSVR2 died doesn’t mean VR is slowly dying

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Every game is playable and arguably in most cases better in vr some of you have no idea how amazing 3rd person games are in vr also in the future we need every game to atleast have a vr "toggle"

 

[Blank Space Invader]

 

[Codes 208]

“Its the future of gaming! Please be excited”
-some guy trying to justify their purchase

 

[Romulus]

“Its the future of gaming! Please be excited”
-some guy trying to justify their purchase

He's not justifying anything. He truly enjoys it and has for years. When done correctly, a proper VR game feels leagues above the non VR version. Even wonky conversations often feel way better. I played AC7 VR mod back when it was incomplete and it was still magnitudes better than the non VR version. I was dealing with bugs and glitches every 15 minutes and even crashes. It's fine now but that to me just proves the tech is superior.

 

[Codes 208]

He's not justifying anything. He truly enjoys it and has for years. When done correctly, a proper VR game feels leagues above the non VR version. Even wonky conversations often feel way better. I played AC7 VR mod back when it was incomplete and it was still magnitudes better than the non VR version. I was dealing with bugs and glitches every 15 minutes and even crashes. It's fine now but that to me just proves the tech is superior.

VR isnt terrible, but its nothing more than complimentary to a more traditional system.

I love games like blade and sorcery but you’d be crazy to say I believe thats where games should follow

 

[Esparadrapo]

I'd miss even more of the directing part in games than I miss in FPS now. Fuck this shit.

 

[Romulus]

VR isnt terrible, but its nothing more than complimentary to a more traditional system.

I love games like blade and sorcery but you’d be crazy to say I believe thats where games should follow

Why would I be "crazy?" Not saying every game should be VR only anyway. Did you know people can like different things without trying to fuck over everyone else? I don't think non VR comes even remotely close in terms of immersion. Taking away real world scale alone is a deal breaker, but depth also? Hell no.

I'd say the new batman game proves VR development has a huge range that people didn't expect even 2 years ago. The speed and precision of fighting and flying around in that world is next level.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

VR is the future of gaming as much as 3D was the future of cinema.

 

[Griffon]

That's what I've been saying for years.
VR games should just be an immersive VR mode of existing full normal games, no separate arcadey trash.

Any dev making games exclusive to VR are dumb, do simultaneous releases of flat and VR modes at least.

 

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Every game should have a VR mode where you can pause the game, put on the headset and float around like some God who can just manipulate and interact with the world and all it's objects. Like, I'd pause Stellar Blade, throw on the VR and just play with dem tiddies like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Every game should have a VR mode where you can pause the game, put on the headset and float around like some God who can just manipulate and interact with the world and all it's objects. Like, I'd pause Stellar Blade, throw on the VR and just play with dem tiddies like there's no tomorrow.

It's a great idea. Even without mammary assests I would like to Walking Sim around worlds without having to dodge zombies, bullets and blades.

 

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It's a great idea. Even without mammary assests I would like to Walking Sim around worlds without having to dodge zombies, bullets and blades.

Yeah it's crazy that nobody seems interested in implementing this. Like, nothing you do in the VR mode would affect your progress or the game experience because it's more like a museum, or amusement park type of mode where you can just float around and look at all the assets, manipulate them like maybe change their size or color. If it was a game like Half Life 2 maybe you could play with the physics engine features, idk. If every game had this kind of VR mode available I would have bought a VR headset day one because this, for me, would be far more interesting and compelling than an actual VR game. Say I'm playing RE4 and I'm walking up to the castle for the first time I pause, put on the VR and take a tour of the exterior before going in. Or Doom 2016 when I drop onto Mars I put the VR on and tour the Martian landscape before continuing. I think that a lot of people would enjoy this type of feature if given the opportunity.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

If they ever conquer the motion sickness issue then maybe.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

This guy is an asshole. Gamers don’t care about VR or wearing a totally encapsulated headset. Its however sold blockbusters on any platform, and there are no games that are “must haves”. It’s a niche product as it pertains to gaming. Other applications in other industries, sure, VR could be very useful. Ask Sony what the attach rate is for PS4/5 and VR1 and VR2. It’s not worth it and after this last. R2 beating financially you’ll see even Sony, PlayStation the most popular having console and name in the industry, if they can’t make it work, have success, make it more mainstream, nobody can.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

hope it keeps maturing, because when it works well it looks amazing

but it's a bit like thinking headphones are going to replace speakers

 

[Chronos24]

Man...give me the Star Trek holodeck. That's when VR is gonna be the thing. I currently love VR and think several games would benefit from a VR option but as others said it's still unfortunately a price thing and a niche. Also, motion sickness has got to be solved along with FOV.

 

[Zathalus]

I think the past 5 years have proved that it is not. At least not the near future.

Try again in 20 years.

 

[Romulus]

This guy is an asshole. Gamers don’t care about VR or wearing a totally encapsulated headset. Its however sold blockbusters on any platform, and there are no games that are “must haves”. It’s a niche product as it pertains to gaming. Other applications in other industries, sure, VR could be very useful. Ask Sony what the attach rate is for PS4/5 and VR1 and VR2. It’s not worth it and after this last. R2 beating financially you’ll see even Sony, PlayStation the most popular having console and name in the industry, if they can’t make it work, have success, make it more mainstream, nobody can.

Most out of touch post in this thread, and that's saying alot. Guy has never heard of the Quest platform. Forget outselling other vr headsets, BOTH versions of Quest 3 are outselling all gaming hardware on Amazon and has been most of the holiday season.

Much of the reason is because there is a must have pack in game.

 

[Wonko_C]

Every game should have a VR mode where you can pause the game, put on the headset and float around like some God who can just manipulate and interact with the world and all it's objects. Like, I'd pause Stellar Blade, throw on the VR and just play with dem tiddies like there's no tomorrow.

At that rate just let us play it normally but with the addition of the VR view... I think that's exactly what I'm going to do with Stellar Blade once it comes out on PC: Inject UEVR and let Eve rip. (And I guess Metal Gear Solid Delta while we're at it)

 

[odhiex]

VR is a really fascinating platform that it is hard to convey it to people who have yet to try it.

On the other hand, it still has major obstacles like that bulky and not so comfortable headsets, (mostly) solitary experiences, nauseating (motion sickness to some people, including me if playing for long sessions) and price.

The AR/MR gaming is also cool, but the today's cameras on these headsets are still doesn't cut it. Maybe it is more suitable for something like the Meta AR glasses or Hololens lol. We need hologram tech in come to our homes soon.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Most out of touch post in this thread, and that's saying alot. Guy has never heard of the Quest platform. Forget outselling other vr headsets, BOTH versions of Quest 3 are outselling all gaming hardware on Amazon and has been most of the holiday season.

Much of the reason is because there is a must have pack in game.

It’s dead Jim, they can keep trying to push it, but BABE gaming will never be mainstream like a traditional PlayStation hooked up to a hi def display. Sorry it hurts your feelings, it’s niche. Never be mainstream.

 

[Romulus]

It’s dead Jim, they can keep trying to push it, but BABE gaming will never be mainstream like a traditional PlayStation hooked up to a hi def display. Sorry it hurts your feelings, it’s niche. Never be mainstream.

Nobody who knows anything believes that. This is the best quarter for VR games ever, but the guy who didn't even know what a Quest 3 is thinks VR is dead? Lol imagine that. Out here thinking Sony is pushing the VR industry. Welcome to 2017.