BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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I would've platinumed MvC3 if it weren't for those fucking trials ;_;
Being bad at fighting games is the single most frustrating thing in my gaming history
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I would've platinumed MvC3 if it weren't for those fucking trials ;_;
AnkiRendan
Member
This is me, right here. And after playing on GAF I'm starting to doubt the Smash Bros part too, LOL.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I can't play traditional fighters either; I just don't have the time and dedication to learn combos, matchups, etc.
That's why I play DOA.
That's why I play DOA.
Nocturno999
Member
This. Even functional online fighting games can be misleading for measuring skill.
This too. Don't try to emulate pros 100%. In practice you will get overwhelmed by all the info and will naturally forget a lot of theory or crazy combos mid fight.
Wreck-It Ralph
Member
There's a huge learning curve for sure. I'm decent at them, but I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes you fight against someone who's just so much better than you that you have no idea what to do. I've been going to MKX tournaments lately and I've definitely had matches where I felt the exact same way.
The two things I can advise:
1) Practice combos until you can do them in your sleep. After that, it's just all about overcoming your nerves so you can pull them off during an actual match. I know exactly what it's like to have your brain suddenly go blank and become unable to do any combos so you just start mashing buttons. It still happens to me. But part of learning fighting games is just learning to deal with that.
2) Play against people who are around your skill level, preferably slightly better than you. You won't learn anything from people who just completely destroy you, nor will you learn anything from people you beat with ease. It can unfortunately be hard to find these people if you don't have friends who are into fighting games. The best I can suggest is to find tournaments near you (check testyourmight.com) and play a bunch of friendlies.
The two things I can advise:
1) Practice combos until you can do them in your sleep. After that, it's just all about overcoming your nerves so you can pull them off during an actual match. I know exactly what it's like to have your brain suddenly go blank and become unable to do any combos so you just start mashing buttons. It still happens to me. But part of learning fighting games is just learning to deal with that.
2) Play against people who are around your skill level, preferably slightly better than you. You won't learn anything from people who just completely destroy you, nor will you learn anything from people you beat with ease. It can unfortunately be hard to find these people if you don't have friends who are into fighting games. The best I can suggest is to find tournaments near you (check testyourmight.com) and play a bunch of friendlies.
Watched many streams and tournaments that made me realize quick that emulating them is not something you can do after seeing it. Better to pick a single main you like in a new fighting and maybe an extra and then stick to them and learn the basics and mechanics of that game. Otherwise you might get alot of stuff in your face that you would not understand.
Wheresmycoffee
Member
The Skullgirls tutorial teaches a lot of stuff really really well. My roommate, who only plays smash bros gave the tutorial a shot and he actually learned how to play traditional fighting games. Overheads, high/lows, punishing, safe moves, blocking mixups, doing mixups, theory on how to break grabs, all kinds of things.
If you have Skullgirls, give it a shot. If not, it's only $15!
And of course, playing against other people in the same room will help tremendously, as long as they're not way way better than you.
If you have Skullgirls, give it a shot. If not, it's only $15!
And of course, playing against other people in the same room will help tremendously, as long as they're not way way better than you.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Regarding forgetting everything when you actually fight real people: http://kayin.moe/?p=2047
Anybody who ever wants to learn how to play fighting games should read this. Amazing article.
edit: Yeah there's some NSFGAF vernacular there, but super good information for newbies still.
Anybody who ever wants to learn how to play fighting games should read this. Amazing article.
edit: Yeah there's some NSFGAF vernacular there, but super good information for newbies still.
ShinMaruku
Member
Love that article. Only when you get deep into these games do these things get clear to you.Regarding forgetting everything when you actually fight real people: http://kayin.moe/?p=2047
Anybody who ever wants to learn how to play fighting games should read this. Amazing article.
edit: Yeah there's some NSFGAF vernacular there, but super good information for newbies still.
Passive Assassin
Member
online mkx is lol.
MegamanPoweredUP
Member
I love fighting games since I was a little kid but I never had time to really master combos and advanced techniques.
My playstile is very rough and it's all about reading the opponent. Sure I can't play tournaments yet I manage to win many fights.
From my experience: reading the opponent > technique.
My playstile is very rough and it's all about reading the opponent. Sure I can't play tournaments yet I manage to win many fights.
From my experience: reading the opponent > technique.
GodParticle
Member
I think new people to fighting game focus too much on combos. Combos are the end game. Focus more on learning spacing, frame data/when to punish, normals ranges
Wreck-It Ralph
Member
Yeah, fighting game tutorials are pretty notoriously terrible. You kinda have to reach out to online sources to really "get" how to play them.
If you ever want to give fighting games another shot, try asking GAF for help. I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would be willing to help. I know I am.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Yeah, I find fighting games too hard now. I mean back in Snes era I was pretty good and was able to do all combos in Street fighter and older Mortal Kombats. Then I stopped caring about fighting games and went back when Killer Instinct came on Xbone. And damn do I suck, I cant do simple combos and lose to AI in heartbeat.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I feel that learning the fundamentals and then getting into the head of your opponent is a better strategy then perfecting high level execution. You can beat 90% of the people you face just by understanding the basics of each character and knowing what your opponent will probably do in a given situation. Yeah, that last 10% will wreck you with their complete mastery of the game's more complex systems, but it's a small price to pay for not having to practice for months/years in order match them toe-to-toe.
justsomeguy
Member
Why waste time in a genre you can't enjoy? Move on, don't play fighting games ...
Karsticles
Member
You don't charge smash attacks most of the time in high level Smash play. Maybe once a match depending on the character.
The thing with new people is that they lose a bunch of matches and then give up. Well guess what. Even the pros loses thousands of matches to get where they are it. Fighters are the epitome of grinding and grinding to get better. You will not get better in a day, a week or even a month. Some things do not register until much later when you suddenly can do something you couldn't before.
OP, I understand. I've never been able to get past the scrub stage of fighting games. I think I'm doing alright and then I go online and get worked. I won a game of Persona 4 Arena online against a Japanese player once and cried tears of joy.
Very proud of my six online wins as Cassie Cage in MKX. Won't disclose how many losses there have been.
Very proud of my six online wins as Cassie Cage in MKX. Won't disclose how many losses there have been.
I THULSA DOOM I
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threelights
Member
You shouldn't be trying to learn with online matches in MKX.
Other than that, it takes time. Don't think fighting games is just learning combos and going online.
Reading some guides might help, or having a friend that can teach you is even better.
And don't worry OP, I pretty much already learned every system in a bunch of fighting games and I still suck at all of them, it's just that hard to get good at them.
Other than that, it takes time. Don't think fighting games is just learning combos and going online.
Reading some guides might help, or having a friend that can teach you is even better.
And don't worry OP, I pretty much already learned every system in a bunch of fighting games and I still suck at all of them, it's just that hard to get good at them.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
I didn't realize online was broken.
I guess I should sell it, since nobody is around to play.
I guess I should sell it, since nobody is around to play.
That damn tekken series. Made me hate the game and stop playing it all together.
I didnt own it myself, so I would only play it at a friends house. Didnt do too bad in tekken 2, but starting with 3 I would get killed with new things I didnt even know was possible (king grab combo). And i didnt play enough to learn how to counter all the moves.
But i'm going to buy the next one. I will crush my friends to make up for the years of beatdowns.
I didnt own it myself, so I would only play it at a friends house. Didnt do too bad in tekken 2, but starting with 3 I would get killed with new things I didnt even know was possible (king grab combo). And i didnt play enough to learn how to counter all the moves.
But i'm going to buy the next one. I will crush my friends to make up for the years of beatdowns.
skLaFarebear
Member
At first, playing against AI that fights back and other players is FAR more important to getting good than learning combos. There's no point in learning combos if you never get the opportunity to use them if you don't have a grip on the fundamentals. And trying to execute combos on moving players is way harder than executing them on standing training dummies or weak AI.
You need to lose a lot to understand what you're bad at and need to work on.
You need to lose a lot to understand what you're bad at and need to work on.
You basically described my experiences with MK X, and all I'm doing is trying to beat the AI on medium. Getting timing down is very challenging; it feels like I am constantly having to remind myself every so often that I'm not hitting the buttons fast enough in the combo string. Then that's further complicated by the fact that timing combos is even more challenging when you're trying to do it against an opponent that's constantly moving, blocking, and trying to attack you back. I don't think there's any combo with 3 button inputs or more that I can do with consistency in an actual match. I wind up doing the very noob thing of using 2 fingers on the face buttons to make up for my slower thumb movement, though I realize that doesn't leave you in a great position to do more advanced moves.
And forget about blocking. Switching between inputting my attack combo to hammering that block button as an opponent attacks is something I don't see myself ever having the mental reflexes of performing.
Still, I do have fun playing. I think with MKX especially, there's an offline difficulty that's accessible to anyone, and the characters I've played have at least one easy brutality and fatality each so regardless of how bad you play, if you can pull one of those off you can end the match feeling pretty good about yourself.
And forget about blocking. Switching between inputting my attack combo to hammering that block button as an opponent attacks is something I don't see myself ever having the mental reflexes of performing.
Still, I do have fun playing. I think with MKX especially, there's an offline difficulty that's accessible to anyone, and the characters I've played have at least one easy brutality and fatality each so regardless of how bad you play, if you can pull one of those off you can end the match feeling pretty good about yourself.
soxinthebox
Member
This is key IMO
I honestly think MKX is the worst game you could possibly pick to play online :
1. The netcode is absolutely trash , last gen games do it better
2. Online competition is a mix of people ranging from hardcore to noobs with a mix of cod kids which will spam only one attack and make you really annoyed
3. Some of those spammable moves need to get their frame advantages changed which will probably happen as it did with the last one
All of those points are being implemented by the number 1 ranked player online , just looking at the way he plays makes me cringe. The game is still fun but until NRS fixes those issues or some of the online "competition" will move one i will not be touching it for a while, have loads of other fighting games to play online.
PS: do not play this game with cpu on highest difficulty , as it is completely broken with the ability of reading your input, you will not win.
1. The netcode is absolutely trash , last gen games do it better
2. Online competition is a mix of people ranging from hardcore to noobs with a mix of cod kids which will spam only one attack and make you really annoyed
3. Some of those spammable moves need to get their frame advantages changed which will probably happen as it did with the last one
All of those points are being implemented by the number 1 ranked player online , just looking at the way he plays makes me cringe. The game is still fun but until NRS fixes those issues or some of the online "competition" will move one i will not be touching it for a while, have loads of other fighting games to play online.
PS: do not play this game with cpu on highest difficulty , as it is completely broken with the ability of reading your input, you will not win.
For me the problem always seem to be I just can't hit buttons fast enough to perform/buffer some moves. I've recently been playing DOA 5 PC and it has some moves that have like less than a half second window for a continuation move. I know they're not necessary but I sometimes wonder who designs the games so that you have to have superpowers to perform some of them.
I need slow paced fighting games.
I need slow paced fighting games.
hokagespit
Member
don't stare at the other players character so much or you get the weird tunnel effect of seeing things hit you and having no ability to do anything about it. watch the area between more so. making that change and getting it set increased my ability alot. idk why i didn't do it before, when i play something like geometry wars i never look at myself but i was doing it my whole life in fighters until my brother pointed it out to me not long ago.
playing until you are familiar with every characters move set is crucial too, so you can know what to expect and start gaining the ability to make predictions.
playing until you are familiar with every characters move set is crucial too, so you can know what to expect and start gaining the ability to make predictions.
Monocle
Member
I'm pretty awful at any kind of competitive game. Shooters are the worst, but I'm capable of breathtaking awfulness in fighting games too.
I get too angry when I feel like I know what to do but can't quite execute it, so I generally stay away from competitive modes now. I don't have the time to spend as many hours as I'd need to to get decent at any single game, never mind all the different ones I wish I could play well.
I get too angry when I feel like I know what to do but can't quite execute it, so I generally stay away from competitive modes now. I don't have the time to spend as many hours as I'd need to to get decent at any single game, never mind all the different ones I wish I could play well.
Blackage
Member
Footsies is non-existent in Mortal Kombat, and it probably has the worst neutral of any fighting game.
Yeah I hear you man, the I always avoided playing online cause I had a fear that getting constantly bodied would lead to me losing interest in the game. In the end I just chucked on a podcast and just went online and decided I would stop giving two shits about my stats. The result is I'm having a lot more fun and I'm gradually learning how to go abouts fighting other people.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Play Divekick.
hokagespit
Member
play eggnog+!
I can hold my own with 3D fighters, but am completely abysmal with 2D/2.5D ones. It's really frustrating, as I really like the characters and style of SF, BlazBlue, KoF etc., but I just get my ass kicked everytime. Going online with SF4 was one of the most depressing experiences I've had in gaming.
Didn't help that those rare wins I did have were usually coupled with hate mail telling me I was shit anyway 
bobawesome
Member
I'm just the absolute worst at fighting games, especially anime fighters. That didn't stop me from wasting my money on a BlazBlue game and Arcana Heart 3: LOVE MAX!!!!!, though. 
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
"Another fucking blanka spammer who only knows how to mash A"I can hold my own with 3D fighters, but am completely abysmal with 2D/2.5D ones. It's really frustrating, as I really like the characters and style of SF, BlazBlue, KoF etc., but I just get my ass kicked everytime. Going online with SF4 was one of the most depressing experiences I've had in gaming.
Didn't help that those rare wins I did have were usually coupled with hate mail telling me I was shit anyway
Yeah well that Blanka spammer still beat you. You must be extra shit. Ah the glory days of playing SF4 online.
don't, they are good for nothing but unwinding.
CadetMahoney
Member
Going online with SF4 was one of the most depressing experiences I've had in gaming.
Didn't help that those rare wins I did have were usually coupled with hate mail telling me I was shit anyway
heh
Beelzebufo
Banned
It's not broken for you if you haven't noticed. I have lag-less connections almost exclusively on PS4. Just don't use a wireless connection if you start noticing lag, it's just that simple.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
I have a group of friends that are active members of the fgc and I find it really hard to hang out with them since I'm not on their level. Even speaking to them is hard since they use a whole different terminology when talking about fighting games. Granted, it's hard to learn anything at all since they're speaking to you like you already know all that stuff.
Also, they seem to love experimenting in training mode. For me though, it all boils down to a slow grind, worse than grinding in RPGs since progress is not always guaranteed. I just can't muster myself to put in the hours necessary to get to a passable level, especially when I know they are years ahead of me -__-.
It would be fun to be able to participate on a level where I feel I can actually contribute, but there's just a too large a barrier of unfun to penetrate before you can get to the fun parts.
Forever a scrub, I guess.
Also, they seem to love experimenting in training mode. For me though, it all boils down to a slow grind, worse than grinding in RPGs since progress is not always guaranteed. I just can't muster myself to put in the hours necessary to get to a passable level, especially when I know they are years ahead of me -__-.
It would be fun to be able to participate on a level where I feel I can actually contribute, but there's just a too large a barrier of unfun to penetrate before you can get to the fun parts.
Forever a scrub, I guess.