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[CharminUltra]

This show is pure delight. The way it subverts expectations. WOW.

 

[Sir Doom]

Chuck just pure asshole mode

 

[Einchy]

Oh shit Mike
Oh shit Jimmy

Lots of big things happened in this episode, it felt more like a midseason one than the second.

Also, lots of great shots this episode.

[edit]

Here's some cool ones that stood out to me.

Their DP uses DOF beautifully.

 

[BizzyBum]

This show is sublime.

 

[spawnsniper]

wow! amazing episode. shit hit the fan quick!

 

[Lord of Castamere]

1. I don't remember but in BB - Mike was Gus' bodyguard right?

2. Who was the guy in the black Cadillac that lured Mike out?

3. The secretary - was she in BB?

Mike was Gus' get shit done man. He did all hands on things that Gus needed, including body guarding, yes.

That was Victor. The guy that was Mikes right hand man in Breaking Bad. The one who got his throat slit by Gus in the opener of Season 4.

Yes. She was/will be Sauls receptionist in Breaking Bad.

 

[Einchy]

Mike was Gus' get shit done man. He did all hands on things that Gus needed, including body guarding, yes.

That was Victor. The guy that was Mikes right hand man in Breaking Bad. The one who got his throat slit by Gus in the opener of Season 4.

Yes. She was/will be Sauls receptionist in Breaking Bad.

I remembered Victor but I totally forgot that was his secretary.

 

[BizzyBum]

Also, lots of great shots this episode.

Yeah, this scene was badass, made it seem like it was a miniature toy model or something.

 

[Einchy]

Yeah, this scene was badass, made it seem like it was a miniature toy model or something.

Yeah, I thought it looked tiltshift-esque as well.

My favorite shot in the whole episode.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

I remembered Victor but I totally forgot that was his secretary.

To be fair, she's acting completely different right now. Very straight lace. The degradation of her character should be pretty fun too.

I'm more curious about Victor. I think Mike saw something in him, like with Jesse. He doesn't just let anyone watch his back. Victors arrogance won out in the end, but It'll be interesting to see their interactions.

 

[TheVampire]

How much trouble can Jimmy really be in just for breaking into his house ?

 

[Chumley]

Yeah, I thought it looked tiltshift-esque as well.

My favorite shot in the whole episode.

Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad always seemed like such fun shows to DP on because Gilligan and the directors seem to give them free reign to experiment and play around with any kind of shots they want to do. There's no rigid aesthetic.

Great ep tonight. Chuck is a complete fuck who deserves everything coming to him, but Jimmy was stupid to walk right into his trap. I'm also kind of annoyed at Ernie for even telling him in the first place.

I wonder if next week Gus just straight up says "hey, you tracked me down, that was pretty good. want to work for me?"

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

How much trouble can Jimmy really be in just for breaking into his house ?

I just rewatched that scene and dialogue-wise there's no direct admission but it could be seen as destroying evidence (in addition to the breaking and entering and threats). It's def going to be a problem for him.

Spoiler

One which we know he'll weasel his way out of

 

[Chumley]

That's not what enablement is and I really wish this stupid idea would die in a trash fire, where it belongs.

Chuck dicked Jimmy over. That's the extent of it.

Jimmy was a lying, cheating, ambulance chasing fraudster before any of this happened who, when he felt wronged, has responded with disproportionate (if nonviolent) retribution. "Oh fuck, that's the guy who my wife left me for? I'm gonna go shit in his car!"

Even during season 1, where Jimmy was genuinely trying to play be good, the very first episode has him trying to use those skateboarding idiots to solicit a case from the Kettlemen's, the fourth episode has him accepting a bribe and then staging a crisis for advertisement, episode 6 has him aiding and abetting Mike's theft of the policeman's notepad (who believes him to be a murderer, which for all Jimmy knows is true with no moral justification backing it up), and probably several more unethical infractions that I can't remember.

And what would have happened had Jimmy gotten the job at HHM? Probably the same thing that happened to him at Davis and Main. At that point, he had become everything he had aspired to be... and he didn't care for it. Jimmy likes lying, cheating, scamming and fraud.

So you have Jimmy being a criminal scum in childhood, in adolescence, before Chuck blocked him from getting the job he wanted, afterwards, and now. When, precisely, has Jimmy not been an ambulance chaser?

And don't take this to mean that I don't like Jimmy. He's great. And there's even good to be said about him as a lawyer. And Chuck's a jerk, no matter how you parse it. But when it comes to Jimmy, Chuck's been right about him in almost every instance.

And this Mesa Verde thing? He's committed a federal crime because he has a crush. Because that's what that was all about. Chuck didn't push him into it, nothing extraordinary happened. Mesa Verde just went with the lawyer that they believed could best take care of them and Jimmy decided it should be otherwise. If Jimmy is willing to do something like that for such a flimsy excuse, then I doubt that there's anything Chuck could have done to permanently make Jimmy a law abiding citizen. Not that he handled it in the ideal way either, because, like I said, he's a jerk.

But Jimmy gonna Jimmy, and there doesn't seem to be anybody in the world who can do anything about that. Even when Kim, his beloved friend and now lover, when she straight up asked him if he was going to continue to be an ambulance chaser, he started lying. He stopped, to his credit, but his first impulse was nevertheless to lie to her, his truest friend, so he could get her to do what he wants her to.


That by itself wasn't too bad, but he just kept blatantly staring directly at the guy and his handbag. Anybody would have made him.

I fucking despise posts like this - "Chuck's always been right about him"

Every single step of the way Chuck has thrown wrenches into Jimmy's path to make sure he continues being "right" about him. His only goal has ever been to make sure Jimmy fails because he's always resented him for his own failings. Not only has this scumbag never done anything to help him, he's actively made efforts to fuck him over whenever he could. If Jimmy were a heroin addict, Chuck would be a family member sighing and nodding his head saying "if only you'd change" while handing out a fucking needle.

It's completely irrelevant whether or not he's technically right about the things Jimmy does when you stop and look at why Jimmy has done them.

 

[Veelk]

I fucking despise posts like this - "Chuck's always been right about him"

Every single step of the way Chuck has thrown wrenches into Jimmy's path to make sure he continues being "right" about him. His only goal has ever been to make sure Jimmy fails because he's always resented him for his own failings. Not only has this scumbag never done anything to help him, he's actively made efforts to fuck him over whenever he could. If Jimmy were a heroin addict, Chuck would be a family member sighing and nodding his head saying "if only you'd change" while handing out a fucking needle.

It's completely irrelevant whether or not he's technically right about the things Jimmy does when you stop and look at why Jimmy has done them.

Just because you despise them doesn't make them any less true. There are innumerable instances where Jimmy failed to live up to moral expectations that have nothing to do with his brother.

That heroin comparison? Complete bullshit. He'd be more akin to Jesse Pinkmen's parents, who see that their son has failed again and again and have stopped trying to help him because they have lost all hope of him changing. And he HAS helped him before, since he brought up the time Jimmy took a dump in that car, and has mentioned helping him in similar situations only to have Jimmy fall back into those bad habits. As I said, I am not discounting the effect that Chuck has had on Jimmy's life. Both Pinkman's parents and Chuck are still jerks, sure, but it's complete lie to term them as enablers. They just don't want to deal with their bullshit by the point of the story we see them.

And Jimmy's failings are his own. They are. They're not made irrelevant just because Chuck doesn't want to see Jimmy succeed, and it's an incredible disservice to the writing to try to pretend that Jimmy's inculpable for his crimes because his brother is mean.

There is no 'technically' about Chuck being right. He's just right. There's no rational person in the world who will accept "I had to take the bribe because my brother didn't give me the job I wanted" as an excuse to take a brible. Jimmy did the crimes he's being accused of. Jimmy likes doing the crimes he's accused of. Chuck recognizes this and in every instance you see Jimmy falling into the pattern Chuck predicts even if he has nothing to do with the situation.

And that's the tragedy of the show. As lovable as Jimmy is, he isn't someone who should be practicing law. If you read on the news that someone did the things he did, you'd want them disbarred. The strength of the show is that it humanizes the criminals it depicts so well that you feel a great sense of empathy for them. But there is no point to it if you forget the basic norms of civilization like that what Jimmy does is wrong, and that it is done within his own power.

 

[Chumley]

Just because you despise them doesn't make them any less true. There are innumerable instances where Jimmy failed to live up to moral expectations that have nothing to do with his brother.

That heroin comparison? Complete bullshit. He'd be more akin to Jesse Pinkmen's parents, who see that their son has failed again and again and have stopped trying to help him because they have lost all hope of him changing. And he HAS helped him before, since he brought up the time Jimmy took a dump in that car, and has mentioned helping him in similar situations only to have Jimmy fall back into those bad habits. As I said, I am not discounting the effect that Chuck has had on Jimmy's life. Both Pinkman's parents and Chuck are still jerks, sure, but it's complete lie to term them as enablers. They just don't want to deal with their bullshit by the point of the story we see them.

And Jimmy's failings are his own. They are. They're not made irrelevant just because Chuck doesn't want to see Jimmy succeed, and it's an incredible disservice to the writing to try to pretend that Jimmy's inculpable for his crimes because his brother is mean.

There is no 'technically' about Chuck being right. He's just right. There's no jury in the world who will accept "I had to take the bribe because my brother didn't give me the job I wanted" as an excuse. Jimmy did the crimes he's being accused of. Jimmy likes doing the crimes he's accused of. Chuck recognizes this and in every instance you see Jimmy falling into the pattern Chuck predicts even if he has nothing to do with the situation.

Pieces of shit like Chuck use the boundaries of the law to screw people over without committing any crimes, including his brother. Just like the rich people of the world, he wields the law like a weapon. Jimmy, just like everyone in the world with the deck stacked against them (and in his case, the deck was stacked at least in part by his brother), turns to crime to get ahead because it was either that or abandon law altogether. Sure, he enjoys it, but he's been doing it for so long that it was inevitable he'd end up enjoying what he became good at.

The idea that Chuck tried time and time again and now has "given up" is utterly laughable and tells me you haven't been paying attention at all. If he ever helped, it was only a means to get Jimmy to an even worse place than before he helped him with any given situation. The dude straight up enables and pushes Jimmy into self-sabotage, because he knows him and he knows the law. Arguments about Chuck and Jimmy that are only founded in who broke the law and who didn't are actively repulsive to me because they don't take into account the deeper, more abhorrent issues at play. It's about class, family, empathy, and basic humanity.

All Jimmy ever wanted was for his brother to love him, and all his brother ever wanted was for him to be punished for being everything he's not. At the end of the day that's what it's all about, not the law or whether or not Jimmy should be a lawyer.

 

[Veelk]

Pieces of shit like Chuck use the boundaries of the law to screw people over without committing any crimes, including his brother. Just like the rich people of the world, he wields the law like a weapon. Jimmy, just like everyone in the world with the deck stacked against them (and in his case, the deck was stacked at least in part by his brother), turns to crime to get ahead because it was either that or abandon law altogether. Sure, he enjoys it, but he's been doing it for so long that it was inevitable he'd end up enjoying what he became good at.

The idea that Chuck tried time and time again and now has "given up" is utterly laughable and tells me you haven't been paying attention at all. If he ever helped, it was only a means to get Jimmy to an even worse place than before he helped him with any given situation. The dude straight up enables and pushes Jimmy into self-sabotage, because he knows him and he knows the law.

So you're going to argue that Jimmy working in the mailroom at HHM is worse than being in jail for a felony charge? Because that's basically what you're saying if you want to argue that Chuck has NEVER helped Jimmy.

But okay, so how you do you explain shit like Jimmy ripping off his own fucking father as a child? Because he did that when that conman encouraged him. It's only after he got threatened with jailtime that he decided to the change for the better, mind you. Before that, he was an adolescent, but he already made enough of a name for himself to be called Slippin' Jimmy.

So the show establishes that he's done this as a kid and done this well enough atleast up to when he was in his midtwenties atleast (I'm guessing, since at that point he's been married AND divorced, so...), until he finally got arrested and faced jailtime. So, pray tell, what was Chuck doing to push Jimmy into crime when he was 5? What when he was 10? 15? 20?

That's the ridiculousness of your argument. You're literally arguing that Chuck hung over Jimmy his literal entire life pushing him to do crime. When precisely did this start, do you think? Did Chuck try convincing Jimmy to steal more of his mom's nutrients while he was in the womb too? And it's an incredible disservice to the writing of the show. So literally none of Jimmy's failings are his fault? What a shitty character then, because that means he has no agency. He doesn't make his own choices, it's just Chuck pulling at the strings.

Lets get one thing straight here: All Chuck ever did, career-wise, was deny Jimmy a job at HHM. Dick move, yes. But you're assuming that they would have hired him if he hadn't, which is unlikely given Jimmy's dis-credible college, though if Chuck had been accommodating, he might have gotten in that way. Still, dick move. But lawyers have made it in other ways beyond nepotism. As shitty as it was, Jimmy was doing the same thing many other lawyers have to do: Take public cases, work to build a larger case like he did with Sandpiper, get recognition from other parties. It sucks about HHM, but Chuck isn't fucking Sauron here. His reach doesn't extend beyond HHM. That's why Jimmy did make it with Davis and Main, until he blew that up (also by his own doing with no prompting by Chuck).

Chuck's true betrayal isn't taking actions to prevent Jimmy from succeeding. It's an emotional betrayal. Like Kim said, he never believed in him. And when Jimmy idealizes Chuck so much and looks to him for guidance, that's an incredibly shitty thing to do. Chuck is a shitty person, that is not something anyone can argue against. But that doesn't mean he's the fallguy whenever Jimmy's actions come to bite him in the ass.

Arguments about Chuck and Jimmy that are only founded in who broke the law and who didn't are actively repulsive to me because they don't take into account the deeper, more abhorrent issues at play. It's about class, family, empathy, and basic humanity.

All Jimmy ever wanted was for his brother to love him, and all his brother ever wanted was for him to be punished for being everything he's not. At the end of the day that's what it's all about, not the law or whether or not Jimmy should be a lawyer.

That much, I agree with, as I said in the last part about this post: It's about morality. But you don't get to turn that off when Jimmy does something shitty. The law isn't just made at random. It's made, atleast in part, because that everyone agrees something is wrong to do.

It's wrong to lie. It's wrong to cheat. It's wrong to solicit. It's wrong to fraud.

Why does morality somehow disappear when Jimmy decided to defraud Mesa Verde by sabotaging HHM's case for them? Where is the morality of Jimmy behaving like a jackass so he can dance around Davis and Main's termination with cause policy so he can get out with the signing bonus despite the kindness he was shown?
Where is the morality of Jimmy staging a crisis so he can bolster his business?

Jimmy is a shitty human being on a morality scale. He's very passionate about taking care of his family, but he considers anyone outside that circle an expendible resource. He's perfectly willing to damage other people's finances and reputations if it's advantageous to him. That's not me trying to frame it in a legal vs moral sort of way, that's me framing it in a straight up moral way. He's an incredibly likable guy, but that's who he is and everything about the show says that's his normal way of doing things.

 

[newtypepilot]

amazing episode. The cinematography on this show is so good.

Jimmy and Howard are both terrible field agents LOL. Yes, let's keep staring at the guy and not eat your food. That's not suspicious at all.

I really like that scene where Kim is talking to Jimmy as he's removing the tape. At first, he does the "chuck's way" of rolling it slowly until the last line, which is "a little crooked". Then he reverts back to his old way of just ripping it right off, damaging the finish of the blue paint, which is another nod that Chuck's right.

FUCK CHUCK though.

Kim telling Jimmy to give her a dollar and he only having a twenty is nice throwback to breaking bad.

 

[TheOddOne]

Work!

My eternal gratitude for your fine work in this thread!

 

[Monocle]

God damn, this season is picking up fast. Delightful episode.

 

[Theorry]

So many hints towards Breaking Bad. It was great.

 

[NotLiquid]

I can't wait for Chuck to get Fucked

You know it's gonna happen sooner or later, Jimmy's gonna get the last laugh

 

[Bounceounce]

So you're going to argue that Jimmy working in the mailroom at HHM is worse than being in jail for a felony charge? Because that's basically what you're saying if you want to argue that Chuck has NEVER helped Jimmy.

But okay, so how you do you explain shit like Jimmy ripping off his own fucking father as a child? Because he did that when that conman encouraged him. It's only after he got threatened with jailtime that he decided to the change for the better, mind you. Before that, he was an adolescent, but he already made enough of a name for himself to be called Slippin' Jimmy.

So the show establishes that he's done this as a kid and done this well enough atleast up to when he was in his midtwenties atleast (I'm guessing, since at that point he's been married AND divorced, so...), until he finally got arrested and faced jailtime. So, pray tell, what was Chuck doing to push Jimmy into crime when he was 5? What when he was 10? 15? 20?

That's the ridiculousness of your argument. You're literally arguing that Chuck hung over Jimmy his literal entire life pushing him to do crime. When precisely did this start, do you think? Did Chuck try convincing Jimmy to steal more of his mom's nutrients while he was in the womb too? And it's an incredible disservice to the writing of the show. So literally none of Jimmy's failings are his fault? What a shitty character then, because that means he has no agency. He doesn't make his own choices, it's just Chuck pulling at the strings.

Lets get one thing straight here: All Chuck ever did, career-wise, was deny Jimmy a job at HHM. Dick move, yes. But you're assuming that they would have hired him if he hadn't, which is unlikely given Jimmy's dis-credible college, though if Chuck had been accommodating, he might have gotten in that way. Still, dick move. But lawyers have made it in other ways beyond nepotism. As shitty as it was, Jimmy was doing the same thing many other lawyers have to do: Take public cases, work to build a larger case like he did with Sandpiper, get recognition from other parties. It sucks about HHM, but Chuck isn't fucking Sauron here. His reach doesn't extend beyond HHM. That's why Jimmy did make it with Davis and Main, until he blew that up (also by his own doing with no prompting by Chuck).

Chuck's true betrayal isn't taking actions to prevent Jimmy from succeeding. It's an emotional betrayal. Like Kim said, he never believed in him. And when Jimmy idealizes Chuck so much and looks to him for guidance, that's an incredibly shitty thing to do. Chuck is a shitty person, that is not something anyone can argue against. But that doesn't mean he's the fallguy whenever Jimmy's actions come to bite him in the ass.



That much, I agree with, as I said in the last part about this post: It's about morality. But you don't get to turn that off when Jimmy does something shitty. The law isn't just made at random. It's made, atleast in part, because that everyone agrees something is wrong to do.

It's wrong to lie. It's wrong to cheat. It's wrong to solicit. It's wrong to fraud.

Why does morality somehow disappear when Jimmy decided to defraud Mesa Verde by sabotaging HHM's case for them? Where is the morality of Jimmy behaving like a jackass so he can dance around Davis and Main's termination with cause policy so he can get out with the signing bonus despite the kindness he was shown?
Where is the morality of Jimmy staging a crisis so he can bolster his business?

Jimmy is a shitty human being on a morality scale. He's very passionate about taking care of his family, but he considers anyone outside that circle an expendible resource. He's perfectly willing to damage other people's finances and reputations if it's advantageous to him. That's not me trying to frame it in a legal vs moral sort of way, that's me framing it in a straight up moral way. He's an incredibly likable guy, but that's who he is and everything about the show says that's his normal way of doing things.

You're essentially saying what I've been saying about both Jimmy and Chuck for the longest, I love it.

Not related to what you said, but I care about both Chuck and Jimmy/find them both morally repugnant/and find them both sympathetic, which is why I'm hoping that Chuck is alive post BB and that the two brothers can reconcile at the end of the series if so.

 

[zewone]

Gus getting cash delivered to him at his story seems wildly dumb and out of character.

Gus potentially​ sweeping the money into this dust pan is cartoon levels of dumb. I hope that's not what happened and that he was instead tipped off by Saul staring too hard.

Mike falling for an obvious setup/diversion felt out of character.

I still enjoyed this episode but those moments stood out to me.

 

[Badlucktroll]

This show is amazing. I am starting to like it better than Breaking Bad.

 

[Ithil]

“No wonder Rebecca left you! What took her so long?”

That shot of the car and Mike rising over the heatwaves on the hill was mighty impressive.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Gus getting cash delivered to him at his story seems wildly dumb and out of character.

Gus potentially​ sweeping the money into this dust pan is cartoon levels of dumb. I hope that's not what happened and that he was instead tipped off by Saul staring too hard.

Mike falling for an obvious setup/diversion felt out of character.

I still enjoyed this episode but those moments stood out to me.

I think he just gets proof the pick up happened with the order and seeing the bag. Handoff doesn't actually occur then.




Biggest revelation is that Pollos does breakfast

 

[CoffeeExpress]

Man he got a lot of food for 3-4 bucks. Awesome episode tho.

 

[Drazgul]

Gus getting cash delivered to him at his story seems wildly dumb and out of character.

The restaurant was used as a front to launder the cash.

 

[Pillville]

I will have to read up on that. That's out of my wheelhouse thanks

https://www.reddit.com/r/tiltshift/

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Chuck is right that Jimmy is/was/will cheat given the opportunity.

Chuck also acts in ways which encourage that.

As far as stealing from his dad, I'm not 100% sure that Chuck's view of that is correct, or if he assumed it and that's part of what galls Jimmy.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Jimmy is so bad at stealth. I was yelling at my screen when he changed seats.

Gus getting cash delivered to him at his story seems wildly dumb and out of character.

Gus potentially​ sweeping the money into this dust pan is cartoon levels of dumb. I hope that's not what happened and that he was instead tipped off by Saul staring too hard.

Mike falling for an obvious setup/diversion felt out of character.

I still enjoyed this episode but those moments stood out to me.

I felt the most OOC moment was Slippin' Jimmy being so bad at stealth, as Lord of Castamere pointed out. He's supposed to be a veteran con man, and he stares around nervously without any subtlety? C'mon! xD

“No wonder Rebecca left you! What took her so long?”

Loved that one, especially Chuck's face. Perfect.

which is why I'm hoping that Chuck is alive post BB and that the two brothers can reconcile at the end of the series if so.

If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention... xD

 

[Pillville]

Did anyone else catch this?

[talking about the logo]
Francesca: "it's a little crooked"
Jimmy: "yea.... a little crooked"

Seems like Jimmy talking about himself.

 

[Neverender]

Chuck is right that Jimmy is/was/will cheat given the opportunity.

Chuck also acts in ways which encourage that.

As far as stealing from his dad, I'm not 100% sure that Chuck's view of that is correct, or if he assumed it and that's part of what galls Jimmy.

Wasn't there a flashback where it showed that Jimmy actually was stealing money from his Dad's shop?

 

[near]

Really solid episode. Jimmy's attempt at following Chucks technique in removing tape from the wall only to end up forcefully removing it, while also posing the question - in the same scene - whether it looks like a stock market crash is an example how deeply invested the rewriters are in the minor details. Fucking love this show.

 

[smokeymicpot]

So many hints towards Breaking Bad. It was great.

The give me a dollar line got me all happy.

 

[Dark_castle]

What an episode, holy crap. Jimmy is in deep shit now

 

[Drazgul]

Did anyone else catch this?

[talking about the logo]
Francesca: "it's a little crooked"
Jimmy: "yea.... a little crooked"

Seems like Jimmy talking about himself.

Yeah, and the upward trajectory until the deep fall at the end.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

This show is amazing. I am starting to like it better than Breaking Bad.

I agree. The relationships between Jimmy and Chuck, and Jimmy and Kim are fantastic. I think I like the dynamic between Jimmy and Chuck even more than Walt/Jesse. It feels really authentic, and as others have said, like both brothers are right about each other *and* are assholes *and* remain sympathetic, which is quite a trick to pull off.

Really solid episode. Jimmy's attempt at following Chucks technique in removing tape from the wall only to end up forcefully removing it, while also posing the question - in the same scene - whether it looks like a stock market crash is an example how deeply invested the rewriters are in the minor details. Fucking love this show.

Not to mention it is about how Jimmy literally cannot stay within the lines under Chuck's advice, even when going outside them is only self-destructive.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Wasn't there a flashback where it showed that Jimmy actually was stealing money from his Dad's shop?

Once. Chuck making it out that Jimmy killed the family business is quite another matter.

 

[Dark_castle]

This show is amazing. I am starting to like it better than Breaking Bad.

BB's season 1 to 3 are good but 4 and 5 were amazing, partially also because of Gus Fring. Now that Gus has also started coming to BCS, it's going to be a close call. But even without Gus, BCS also already has a very, very strong core characters with excellent acting. And Kim Wexler is a far better female lead than Skyler.

 

[stn]

This show is just awesome.

 

[zewone]

Did anyone else catch this?

[talking about the logo]
Francesca: "it's a little crooked"
Jimmy: "yea.... a little crooked"

Seems like Jimmy talking about himself.

I didn't. Nice catch.

The scene with Saul rolling the tape like his brother was the stand out moment for me.

Bob Odenkirk is a helluva an actor for an old comedian.

 

[awesome_pants]

I didn't. Nice catch.

The scene with Saul rolling the tape like his brother was the stand out moment for me.

Bob Odenkirk is a helluva an actor for an old comedian.

On top of Jimmy's confirmation that it "doesn't look like a stock market crash." Definitely alluding to both McGill and Wexler crashing in the end.

 

[minor effort]

That's why Jimmy did make it with Davis and Main, until he blew that up (also by his own doing with no prompting by Chuck).

And what happened with Jimmy at Davis and Main is likely what would have happened if HHM had given him a chance and taken him on as a lawyer. He would have bristled at the innumerable rules, regulations, practices, and norms in place at a serious law firm to the breaking point.

Heck, even working with Kim as co-partners in a law practice, a romantic interest who has shown him boundless sympathy, still shows he struggles cooperate in that capacity. Hiring someone based on a "gut feeling".

It sucks that this is going to bring Kim down because she's far more deserving of a successful law career than Jimmy. And HHM was arguably meaner and worse to Kim than they ever were to Jimmy. She is a competent and hardworking lawyer and they tried to derail her career at several opportunities. I doubt Jimmy would have endured even a fraction of the shit she did while at HHM without bolting.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

Bob Odenkirk is a helluva an actor for an old comedian.

So true. I was a big fan of his from Mr. Show, but I never expected this out of him. Even the first time I saw him as Saul Goodman, it was on a Saul Goodman preview ad that might have been web-only. It was nothing like the Goodman character even from later in the season which is a bit more like Robert Evans -- his mouth was tight, he was kind of doing a gruff, staccato voice. Seeing it now, it's sort of like seeing the weird early versions of Homer Simpson. Definitely the sort of "shake the crime stick" broad comedic character work that Bob was known for, but even then gave no inkling that he could pull off the moving subtleties of Jimmy McGill the way he has.

 

[riotous]

Once. Chuck making it out that Jimmy killed the family business is quite another matter.

How do we know it was only once?

I think it's totally possible Jimmy wasn't responsible for the missing $14k or whatever it was; but we don't know yet. Obviously we know his Dad was also letting himself get ripped off; but we don't really know the extent of what Jimmy did.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

How do we know it was only once?

I think it's totally possible Jimmy wasn't responsible for the missing $14k or whatever it was; but we don't know yet.

My point is that we don't know either way. Chuck is certain of it, but I don't consider him reliable.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I see we're at that part of the thread where people start making hyperboles over someone's dislike of fictional characters.

My point is that we don't know either way. Chuck is certain of it, but I don't consider him reliable.

The fact that Chuck is certain of it makes it questionable.

 

[jett]

Don't get me wrong this is cool and all but it's moving very slowly and relying too much on the Breaking Bad hype.

You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.