You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
I think that stuff is cool. It's a slow show.
You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
I feel like the Mike tailing scene got deflated by the promotional stuff at the beginning. You know the end was going to be Los Pollos Hermanos, and the scene just ending there was like "Okay? That's it?"
Less a problem with the show and more the marketing behind it. But yeah, that's one of the few times the pacing of a scene in this show really stood out to me.
Whoever said they like BCS because it doesn't seem like it was directed by an MTV director is spot on. I appreciate the deliberate pace as long as I'm interested in the characters and the story (don't confuse this for Walking Dead season 2 on the farm, which was slow without anything interesting happening). Once in a while I try stuff like "How To Get Away With Murder" and it's just too much nonsense thrown at the screen for me. BCS and Fargo are perfect.
You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What can you say about the level of s that Jimmy is in at the end of this episode?
VINCE GILLIGAN: Jimmy is in deep doo-doo. Jimmy is entering a world of pain as Walter Sobchak would say in The Big Lebowski.
PETER GOULD: Weve seen that Jimmy is an expert guide to the criminal justice system, but hes about to enter it in a very different way.
GILLIGAN: And I think he cant believe it. At the end of this episode, he cant believe the depths that his brother would sink to. Having said that, if you look at it on a slightly larger scale these two brothers, its been a bit Spy vs. Spy with these two. These guys have been out to get each other for a while now, and it does look to be about ready to erupt in all-out war.
Jimmy is so devastated by that betrayal, as you can see in his conversations with both Kim and Chuck.
GILLIGAN: Absolutely. Jimmy is caught flat-footed. Just in shock here at the level of betrayal that his brother seems capable of.
GOULD: Because Chuck really used Jimmys empathy and care against him. I think it takes Chuck by surprise. I think Chuck is expecting Jimmy to scheme against him. He doesnt understand how incredibly hurt Jimmy is, and that is what you see at the end of episode 2 Jimmy is thrown into a rage that Chuck wasnt even expecting because Chuck doesnt understand how hes damaged his brother.
What happens now with Mike? Would you call it game of chess? Cat and mouse? All analogies are welcome.
GILLIGAN: To me, you have one guy playing chess and one guy playing checkers here, when I talk about Jimmy and Gus Fring. When it comes to the guy waiting outside in the car, when it comes to Mike Ehrmantraut, I think yeah, weve got a pretty interesting chess match going on here.
GOULD: Of course, at the very end of the episode, Mike finds out hes been checkmated, and then well wait for episode 3 to find out what that means because Mike discovers that gas cap with the tracker in it, and this drop phone in the middle of the road. So he has a choice at that point. He knows hes been made, he could turn around and he could try to disappear again, but he has to stay. And I think theres a wonderful moment that Vince directed when he decides to pick up that phone because he cannot let this go, no matter how dangerous it might be.
GILLIGAN: I think Mike is to be forgiven for losing this if you think of a chess match because he played wonderfully, but hes up against the master. Hes up against a character of both series who is arguably the smartest guy who weve ever seen in this universe. Im reluctantly including Walter White [Bryan Cranston] in that estimation. Walter White, I think, is a close second in brilliance to Gustavo Fring, but its no shame in being a close second or third to that guy. Hes just so overpoweringly brilliant.
Hes here. And now that Gustavo Fring has revealed himself in the Saul universe, we know by the end of Witness that Mike has finally met someone who is as formidable as he is. Now Mikes facing an opponent on his level.
This is the most capable man in this universe meeting the other most capable man in this universe, and I couldnt agree more. I was lucky enough to get to direct that episode, and having the first episode where Giancarlo Esposito comes back and once again plays the role of Gus Fring was very exciting. It was exciting for me. It was exciting for the crew. It was just great to see him suited up and on the Los Pollos Hermanos set once more. I felt a great weight of responsibility on me to reintroduce this character in the most dramatically interesting way possible.
I thought long and hard about, how are we first going to lay eyes on this guy? And I had a lot of help from my editor, Kelly Dixon. I had a shot that you see in the episode, but I intended to use a lot more of it and have Gus basically appear from the background walking to the foreground, and youd see his entire face. The first time he shows up, hes busing tables and cleaning tabletops, and I was originally going to let it run in the edit so that he walks right into frame and you see his face very completely. My editor, Kelly, cut it a different way.
When I first saw it, I was like, What are you doing? You need to see his face. She said, I like just hinting at him here, and then having him move through frame, and then you wait a couple minutes more, and then Jimmy is reaching in the trash can, and then youve got that great reveal there in the footage where Jimmy jerks his arm out of the trash can and there is Gus Fring. I think thats your big moment. Thats your million dollar shot. Dont dilute it with this previous moment.
I was like, No, Im the boss, and I threw a little tantrum, but then I got over it, and I said, Wait a minute, Kellys right. I give great credit to her. I love the way he is revealed, and it took a village to make that work.
He completely knows what Jimmy is doing and is just relaxed and calm about it, because before anyone even walks in the door, Gus sees whats going on, Esposito tells EW. Its not really worry about Jimmy. Gus is smart enough to know that Jimmy has just brought someone else here. That scene establishes Gus tentacles and what he knows. And I wouldnt be surprised if he knew that they were coming before they came. His awareness that something is about to happen because hes been having his guys track Mike for a while is clear, so in a way the audience is catching up, after Gus made certain moves already. We havent seen the moves that Gus has made to be able to research what Mike is doing and who he is, but hes had time to suss that out. And I like the fact that they throw back in the feeling of Breaking Bad, Gus knowing, thus complicating the story, especially for Saul Goodman. You know [Gus] is going to meet Mike, and you know thats going to have to happen soon, but how will he next meet Saul Goodman is the interesting question.
When I spoke to Giancarlo Esposito, he told me you guys started dropping hints in the episode titles before you actually approached him about coming back. So how did that work?
Vince: [Laughing] That was the dumbest thing we ever did.
Peter: Youre picking at a raw wound there, Matt. It really was not our finest hour. We had the brilliantI say brilliant in quotation marksidea, because we started realizing as the season went on, you know, Gus Fring feels like hes going to be a presence, for all the reasons that Vince just said. And we had this brilliant idea to encode the titles so that if you took the first letter of each title and season two and you scrambled the letters around, youd get the phrase FRINGS BACK. And we thoughtand again, not our finest hourI think our plan was to announce sometime between the seasons, maybe towards the beginning of season three, Hey, theres something hidden in the titles. Thinking that no one would have found anything before then. But of course, as you know, we were completely wrong and we did something which, and this is why Im embarrassed about it, for two reasons: the first reason is we underestimated our audience, which is something we try never to do, and the other reason is we put these clues into the show before we had even spoken to Giancarlo. Not smart producing, Id say.
Vince: No, no, it was not. And Giancarlo, god bless him, he and his manager could have really held us over a barrel. But hes an artist first and all that really mattered to him was making sure that this character that he had played so wonderfully on Breaking Bad would continue in the proper fashion. That we wouldnt suddenly, you know, make the character dumb or goofy or make him the butt of jokes or somehow lessen him or lessen the memory of how wonderful he was on the previous series. And his concern was, as a good caretaker, as someone who wanted to continue to shepherd that character in the right direction and make him all he could be. That was his primary concern, not money or whatever kind of deal he could make.
Peter: Thank God.
I thought long and hard about, how are we first going to lay eyes on this guy? And I had a lot of help from my editor, Kelly Dixon. I had a shot that you see in the episode, but I intended to use a lot more of it and have Gus basically appear from the background walking to the foreground, and youd see his entire face. The first time he shows up, hes busing tables and cleaning tabletops, and I was originally going to let it run in the edit so that he walks right into frame and you see his face very completely. My editor, Kelly, cut it a different way.
When I first saw it, I was like, What are you doing? You need to see his face. She said, I like just hinting at him here, and then having him move through frame, and then you wait a couple minutes more, and then Jimmy is reaching in the trash can, and then youve got that great reveal there in the footage where Jimmy jerks his arm out of the trash can and there is Gus Fring. I think thats your big moment. Thats your million dollar shot. Dont dilute it with this previous moment.
I was like, No, Im the boss, and I threw a little tantrum, but then I got over it, and I said, Wait a minute, Kellys right. I give great credit to her. I love the way he is revealed, and it took a village to make that work.
Wow huge props to Kelly. I thought the way they revealed him in this episode was perfect, and to think that Gilligan was actually against that is insane to me.
That's the magic of collaborating with great people.Wow huge props to Kelly. I thought the way they revealed him in this episode was perfect, and to think that Gilligan was actually against that is insane to me.
I think you're a mentalist to be honest. Go watch another show that massages your ADD.
Given the show's low ratings, do you really think you should be driving people away with your obnoxiousness?
Can we talk about Chuck's alien thumb for a second?
Frankly I thought the Mike stuff was pretty weak this episode. The Breaking Bad fanservice show that we all wanted is eating into the excellent Jimmy / Kim / Chuck drama that we didn't know would be as great as it is. That being said, what's there is still good, and getting more play out of such a great show as Breaking Bad is fun, but I wish there was more with the main lead, since we literally know that the whole Gus / Hector subplot cannot intersect with him much at all.You're being too nice. It's slow as fuck. Maybe I'm actually watching a different show from most of GAF but these last two episodes have been mind-numbingly boring at points. I don't care for seeing every step of Mike's detective work at all on any level whatsoever.
The show is doing fine. The live ratings are down this season, but ratings across the board are down with all of the time-shifting that goes on these days. AMC will continue to renew the show as long as Gilligan & Gould want to make it because of the solid ratings, critical acclaim, awards, and fan base that it's built up. The creators are going to get as much time as they want to finish the series, and most guesses are that they'll do ~5 seasons of BCS.This show is doing bad?
Another great episode, damn. I think Dj Khaled's immortal words are perfecty adequate (heh) for what happened by the end of the episode: congratulations, you played yourself.
Yeah, and the upward trajectory until the deep fall at the end.
And Ernie has a pretty nice whip for such a quiet unassuming guy.
I'm very curious to see if it loses some magic from Gilligan leaving.
.I assume you just mean in the director's chair for these two episodes?
Lengthy behind the scenes piece in Variety:
- Better Call Sauls Breaking Point: How Its Gearing Up for Gus FringMuch more via the link.Gould took on the mantle of sole showrunner this season, after Gilligan stepped back mid-run to focus on his HBO limited series about cult leader Jim Jones. But the season still bears Gilligans handiwork; he co-wrote the first episode with Gould, and he directed the first two hours.
Obviously hes still very much part of the show, but its a different experience after having worked together side-by-side for 10 years, says Gould.
Though this transition was planned since the shows debut, Gilligan admits he misses being part of the day-to-day. Stepping away has been kind of tough on me, he says. The plan is for me to come back as soon as Im done [with the HBO series], at least for the final season.
No one is yet setting a date for that final season; the show is an important one for both the studio and the network. And talks have yet to be settled even for a fourth-season renewal (season threes greenlight came halfway through season two). But with every step, every episode, every actor, we move toward an end game, Gilligan says.
Charlie Collier isnt concerned: The president of AMC, who also oversaw the series finale of Breaking Bad, believes the creative crossover wont negatively impact Saul.
The show already stands on its own two feet in so many different ways, says Collier. And yet what makes it such an impressive needle to be threading is that we all know right down to the very last stitch how exactly its going to end. So to not have this incredible new world crossover with the familiar old world wouldnt be authentic.
Time is indeed elastic in the hands of these creatives; the events of Breaking Bad spanned less than a year, but unspooled over the course of five seasons.
The show is doing fine. The live ratings are down this season, but ratings across the board are down with all of the time-shifting that goes on these days. AMC will continue to renew the show as long as Gilligan & Gould want to make it because of the solid ratings, critical acclaim, awards, and fan base that it's built up. The creators are going to get as much time as they want to finish the series, and most guesses are that they'll do ~5 seasons of BCS.
Nope.BB's season 1 to 3 are good but 4 and 5 were amazing, partially also because of Gus Fring. Now that Gus has also started coming to BCS, it's going to be a close call. But even without Gus, BCS also already has a very, very strong core characters with excellent acting. And Kim Wexler is a far better female lead than Skyler.
What a great, great episode. Not a super fan of Mike's storyline (Mike is fine but it ties too much into BB and thus is dragged by the far lesser show) - but anything with Kim/Chuck/Jimmy is solid gold.
I have to say I don't think what they are going to put on him is *that bad*. Ok, he broke into his brother apartment, and ruins his desk, but I wouldn't say he is threatening towards Chuck. A bit of property destruction is all. Nothing to really worry him - I guess though it might be enough for him to be disbarred, which I guess is what chuck was going for?
Holy shit that ending! The Saul Goodman takeover starts now! And man I fucking loved the way they revealed Gus. I was giggling like a little girl when they showed him sweeping out of focus. Goddamn Gilligan you are a brilliant fucker! That was amazing, the whole thing gave me chills.
Interestingly the show streams now on amazon in 4K, its unfortunately not part of amazon prime so $24.99 for the HD season pass and I'm not sure if they are upscaling a 1080p source into 4k or if they are actually getting 4k input (and if so... how? from where?) but it looks fantastic.
Seriously, him going to jail is a very good reason for a name change.
Also, it explains why he works out of a strip mall.
I like how he was using the tape technique his brother taught him in that one scene where he was taking off the painting tape from the wall. This show's attention to the little things is so good.
Powerful