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[MISTER INVEIGLER]

If the PS5 pro is more than $650 it's DOA.

 

[simpatico]

All the PS5 games are getting stealth dropped the same day as PS5 Pro. Everyone thinks the Pro buyers are insane for buying a second console with zero exclusive games, but they know what’s coming.

Killzone 4
Resistance 4
Motorstorm Atlantic Rush
Gran Turismo Storm (Forza Horizon competitor)
Days Gone 2
God of War reboot to the OG style
Getaway reboot
Syphon Filter reboot
SOCOM reboot

Insane lineup. Get your Pro preorder in now.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I think it could’ve used some bigger labia to reflect the greater power of the hardware.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

There is no need for a price cut. The PS5 Slim digital is $449. A $100 price hike is logical.

Even if the PS5 Pro launched with a 1TB drive, the increase in performance alone suggests higher than 100 dollar price increase. You have no sense of inflation. This isn't 2016.

The base PS5 will still remain the driver for most sales for PlayStation. The estimate is fine, since we know hardware sales are declining.

Even with declining sales, they're largely on pace to hit their goals, especially with Wukong pushing units in China.

Series X 1TB has a $499 MSRP. Scaling the 2TB version to $599 is expected, even without any internals changes

Yeah, Microsoft increased their price to 600 dollars just for more storage, yet people here think Sony is going to upgrade the internals for the same. At that rate, they could have done the same as Microsoft and saved themselves the trouble. It's not going to be 600.

The PS5 Pro will most certainly launch with 1TB. Pricing will remain within reasonable range of the base console otherwise they’d face limited uptake of the Pro.

People will buy the Pro for 700 if the performance is there and Sony knows exactly how many people have upgraded the storage on their PS5, which is probably the vast majority of PS5 owners or at least a plurality.

GTA is likely to release late 2025 anyway, and sales won’t cool off for a while. Unlikely there won’t be a price drop until sometime in 2026. The goal afterall would be to sell as many copies of GTA6 on the platform before the PC port. Especially when the GaaS money from the inevitable GTA Online comes in.

A late 2025 GTA 6 release will also coincide with the usual price cuts for holiday sales anyway.

I've already said this.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

All the PS5 games are getting stealth dropped the same day as PS5 Pro. Everyone thinks the Pro buyers are insane for buying a second console with zero exclusive games, but they know what’s coming.

Killzone 4
Resistance 4
Motorstorm Atlantic Rush
Gran Turismo Storm (Forza Horizon competitor)
Days Gone 2
God of War reboot to the OG style
Getaway reboot
Syphon Filter reboot
SOCOM reboot

Insane lineup. Get your Pro preorder in now.

+ Driveclub 2 Sad that if sony didnt focus on gaas it could be possible

 

[Zathalus]

You're conveniently omitting the much beefier GPU by just saying a slightly larger SOC and the machine learning AI upscaling, the R&D for which needs to be recouped.

Yes, a slightly larger SoC. The AI upscaling is a tiny addition to a GPU size, even if it’s dedicated Tensor cores or a NPU, which this won’t be as it is using WMMA on AMD. The GPU also isn’t anything massive either. The total SoC size is probably less then a 50% increase.

As for R&D, that is mostly done by AMD for the hardware with Sony only contributing a bit for the final SoC design. I suppose PSSR and other software research counts to the R&D design but I’ve never heard any of that needing to be recouped on the physical hardware itself.

 

[SweetTooth]

As for cost, the only difference is slightly faster memory (that is cheaper then the prices of memory the PS5 launched with) a slightly larger SoC, altered motherboard, and beefier cooling. $549 for the digital and $599 for the disc version seems likely.

You are simplifying the related costs alot here. Its not simply "larger SoC" or "slightly faster memory"
There is huge R&D that have been poured into designing the internal HW plus testing the cooling and the functionality.

When Nvidia shell out a minor GPU upgrade or Titan variant costing north of $1500, nobody bats an eye, But somehow console manufacturers has to give us the latest technologies (or close to it) within the cursed $500 or we riot. I think Sony/MS are unfairly squeezed here.

Im not saying PS5Pro should be $1000+ , Im saying we should apply the same standard to everyone (PC, Ninty...etc)

 

[PeteBull]

I think it could’ve used some bigger labia to reflect the greater power of the hardware.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

There's no way Sony is releasing the Pro 250 dollars more expensive than the slim bro, lmao. what are you even smoking?

This coming from the same type of people who told me I was crazy when I said the PS5 Slim would get a price increase rather than a price decrease and then the digital model went up 50 dollars.

18m as it stands now is not a conservative figure, it's optimistic, they're already behind target and it will be hard if not impossible to reach without good Pro sales. In Japan sales are destined to go down another 20-30%.
There won't be price cuts on the base PS5 just the usual game pack-in/bundle during the holiday season and they have nothing like Spiderman2 this year.
They risk a 15m actual sales for the fiscal year (a huge and abnormal drop from the 20.8m last year because they can't cut prices like they should) if the Pro is priced outrageously.
The Pro imo will start at 599$/ 649€ digital, and that's already a lot, something only early adopters will consider.

No, with the success of Wukong and sales in china, they're almost certainly back on track. They raised the price of the PS5 fully knowing their forecast, while sales may drop in Japan, China will almost certainly make up for it.

The lack of a big AAA game was already part of their forecast.

Your 15 million estimate assumes that no one buys the PS5 Pro and the reality is that across US, Europe, and Japan, all they need to hit is 3-3.5 million units sold. Easily achievable regardless of the price, even selling to existing consumers.

 

[simpatico]

+ Driveclub 2 Sad that if sony didnt focus on gaas it could be possible

Coming right after Motorstorm Atlantic Rush man. No worries

 

[ManaByte]

$700 - PS5 Pro Digital

 

[nial]

Not a chance. I still have it pegged at $499-$599

$499 is not happening, SIE increased prices in Japan, which means that a price cut anywhere is not being considered; and you wouldn't have the digital version being only $50 more expensive than the digital Slim model, that was absolutely not the case with PS4 Pro in the past.
IMO, $549 for digital only, $599 with disc drive.

 

[DrDryRub]

This console gen has been an absolute waste. Both PS5 and series X were disappointmentd in their own ways.

 

[Elios83]

This coming from the same type of people who told me I was crazy when I said the PS5 Slim would get a price increase rather than a price decrease and then the digital model went up 50 dollars.



No, with the success of Wukong and sales in china, they're almost certainly back on track. They raised the price of the PS5 fully knowing their forecast, while sales may drop in Japan, China will almost certainly make up for it.

The lack of a big AAA game was already part of their forecast.

Your 15 million estimate assumes that no one buys the PS5 Pro and the reality is that across US, Europe, and Japan, all they need to hit is 3-3.5 million units sold. Easily achievable regardless of the price, even selling to existing consumers.

I'm not that optimistic at all. Their inability to cut prices is going to hurt sales significantly in general especially during the holiday season and they simply do not have the big software releases this year that can change the situation (like a GTAVI).
A Pro at 700$ is an out market product that will sell 1m at best during the holiday season.
They will miss the forecast if they don't price the Pro decently and quite frankly 599$ is not cheap at all.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm not that optimistic at all. Their inability to cut prices is going to hurt sales significantly in general especially during the holiday season and they simply do not have the big software releases this year that can change the situation (like a GTAVI).
A Pro at 700$ is an out market product that will sell 1m at best during the holiday season.
They will miss the forecast if they don't price the Pro decently and quite frankly 599$ is not cheap at all.

I could maybe see 650/700 for digital and disc, but this isn't dropping for 600 and certainly not 500.

And the fun part is we'll get to see who is right about the price and the sales pretty shortly.

 

[kazuyamishima]

I'm not that optimistic at all. Their inability to cut prices is going to hurt sales significantly in general especially during the holiday season and they simply do not have the big software releases this year that can change the situation (like a GTAVI).

They don’t have it, but there will be a few third party releases that will be current gen only like AC Shadows, Dragon Age, Silent Hill 2 Remake, other cross gen game like EA Sports FC25 and COD Black Ops 6 will surely push some units.

 

[nial]

Now that I think about it, with it using the same disc drives, everyone with a non-digital PS5 Slim should be able to upgrade to the less expensive digital-only PS5 Pro.

 

[Xyphie]

I think there'll be a shit SKU (think Macbook 8/256) you don't want and the real price with 2TB, ODD, maybe Edge Controller.

 

[near]

The worst case scenario I see happening is they announce one disc-less model at $600. That'd be $680 with the attachable disc drive. So Mibu no ookami prediction might not be far from possible as much as I disagree.

 

[jroc74]

I still dont believe its coming out.

 

[Snake29]

WOOOOW

I thought it would be completely different and nothing would work

Rumors already said that the PS5 slim discdrive was compatible with Pro. Which indicates that the design was never really different. It's more expensive to build a complete new design for the current model when you already have a productionline up and running with minimal changes.

 

[Zathalus]

You are simplifying the related costs alot here. Its not simply "larger SoC" or "slightly faster memory"
There is huge R&D that have been poured into designing the internal HW plus testing the cooling and the functionality.

When Nvidia shell out a minor GPU upgrade or Titan variant costing north of $1500, nobody bats an eye, But somehow console manufacturers has to give us the latest technologies (or close to it) within the cursed $500 or we riot. I think Sony/MS are unfairly squeezed here.

Im not saying PS5Pro should be $1000+ , Im saying we should apply the same standard to everyone (PC, Ninty...etc)

Those associated costs are done with every console. At launch the PS5 was using components that are quite a bit more expensive then what they are paying now. GDDR6 was expensive, the huge cooler of the launch model was expensive, the SSD modules and the chips from TSMC were expensive as well. Yet the console launched for $499. I’d be shocked if the console was in the 700 range.

As for NVIDIA? Everyone knows the rip you off at the high end, plus they have to recoup R&D costs on hardware sold as they don’t make billions from software sales.

 

[Cyborg]

It will be 599. The only logical pricepoint

 

[TintoConCasera]

All the PS5 games are getting stealth dropped the same day as PS5 Pro. Everyone thinks the Pro buyers are insane for buying a second console with zero exclusive games, but they know what’s coming.

Killzone 4
Resistance 4
Motorstorm Atlantic Rush
Gran Turismo Storm (Forza Horizon competitor)
Days Gone 2
God of War reboot to the OG style
Getaway reboot
Syphon Filter reboot
SOCOM reboot

Insane lineup. Get your Pro preorder in now.

No Knack 3? No buy.

 

[Ronin_7]

Rumors already said that the PS5 slim discdrive was compatible with Pro. Which indicates that the design was never really different. It's more expensive to build a complete new design for the current model when you already have a productionline up and running with minimal changes.

How can you fit so much more power and CUs inside the same chassis? Either there's a new nanometer process or something doesn't add up!

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Wish they'd keep the ports apart more. My Arctis headset has a USB C dongle that blocks the USB A port from use when it's plugged in.

 

[ArtHands]

Sony please make a Concord PS5 Pro

 

[asdasdasdbb]

The worst case scenario I see happening is they announce one disc-less model at $600. That'd be $680 with the attachable disc drive. So Mibu no ookami prediction might not be far from possible as much as I disagree.

That is what I believe is going to happen.

 

[possumarmada]

I feel like these leaks are a good sign that Sony is ramping up for the announcement. I’d wager second week of September.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

How can you fit so much more power and CUs inside the same chassis? Either there's a new nanometer process or something doesn't add up!

That's why I also think it will get on N4 but also that the throttling rumors are true too.

 

[gooner4life_uk]

It will be $549.99 USD and they will go with a £=$ ratio to soak up the hit from selling for less in the US

 

[balls of snow]

I knew that modular disc drive was not just for some slim variant.

 

[Fake]

Better be fake, no disc drive is a no buy.

With is kinda nuts. They are trying to sell a premium device without disc drive because price???????

Hope are either fake or two models because doesn't make any sense selling a expensive product and getting worried about the disc drive increasing the price.

 

[Loxus]

That's why I also think it will get on N4 but also that the throttling rumors are true too.

Throttling rumors?

 

[Sethbacca]

Little disappointed I won't be able to use my orange retro darkplates from my launch PS5. Hopefully dbrand does another release for this.

And for everyone worrying about the disc drive, I'm assuming it's gonna be compatible with the PS5 slim drive, so just stop panicking.

 

[t_wilson01]

It's a shame that they will continue with that ugly design.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Get the ps5 pro on shelves ASAP once it’s out there in the wild we will have time to digest it but this is how speculation works.

 

[near]

That is what I believe is going to happen.

I'll be disappointed if they do that. Based on their current regional pricing structure, that would mean £579.99 + £99.99 (disc drive). £679.98 for the PS5 Pro. I might as well just bend over and let Sony ride my asshole.

 

[Fafalada]

Sony dropping the price of the PS5 before GTA6 releases (not to mention EA FC and CoD are not likely to drop on previous gen next year) would cost them billions of dollars in revenue

That math makes no sense whatsoever.
Even at optimistic assumption this sells as well as PS4Pro did at 399$ - we're looking at maybe 4M units/year.
And then being generous - using your 750$ price as 'average selling price' - that gives you 0.5B at most of 'lost' revenue. Likely a lot less because 750 vs 600 could easily halve the units sold in a year so most of the revenue gained from the price would be lost on fewer units sold.

 

[adamsapple]

Sony please make a Concord PS5 Pro

 

[saintjules]

then you have PS5 fans who don't make a lot of money who can't afford this and as a result they feel like they have been cheated, especially when the games start dropping to 30 fps on the base model.

Yup, agree. And if anyone feels cheated that's on them. Especially if you've been gaming for decades and know how all this works.

Save your money people, it actually helps soften the blow later when it comes time to buying hardware.

 

[Luipadre]

At this point im only buying the Pro because of DS2 and GTA6

 

[Ronin_7]

At this point im only buying the Pro because of DS2 and GTA6

You buy a Console to play games, that's the whole point.

 

[Sentenza]

So, still ugly as debt.

 

[Edmund]

I hope there will be a disc version.

 

[finalflame]

Absolutely based design. Announcement and preorders can’t come soon enough.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That math makes no sense whatsoever.
Even at optimistic assumption this sells as well as PS4Pro did at 399$ - we're looking at maybe 4M units/year.
And then being generous - using your 750$ price as 'average selling price' - that gives you 0.5B at most of 'lost' revenue. Likely a lot less because 750 vs 600 could easily halve the units sold in a year so most of the revenue gained from the price would be lost on fewer units sold.

Someone failed math class or maybe you didn't read what I said or what I was responding to.

Pricing this at 500 dollars would mean having to drop the price of the base PS5s.

The other problem you have is that you're focused on revenue rather than operating income, which is exactly the purpose for Sony releasing a PS5 Pro, to increase operating income.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Throttling rumors?

Rumors are that while it can in theory run the GPU at the same clock speed as the base model, it can't sustain it. So the typical speed is around 2 Ghz.

 

[TommyCronin6969]

 

[BlackTron]

Great, sticking with the ugly as fuck router design.

I could deal with this if they make it all black. Which I don't really think they will do, then PS6 won't be differentiated from 5 by being black.