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Bioshock Infinite |OT| No Gods, Kings, or Irrational Games
- Thread starter Cystm
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I cringe every time I see one appear. Maybe I've got the wrong strategy/weapons, but Handymen fight take forever.
Crow then Zap then many shots to their chest. repeat. that's how i did it.
It's not nuanced in that way. There aren't "individuals" anywhere in the game. Characters only function as archetypes (Leader, Factory Owner, Savior, etc.). It speaks in the language of myth and ideology. And that's fine. But that means that you can't get at the "human" element in a game like this. It speaks in large, systemic terms and in the language of myth.
To talk about "human lives" is disingenuous. For example, the moment in Finkton when you come across
the children playing music
In contrast, this is a game that's about politics writ large. I don't see humanity anywhere in it, or if it's there, it's disingenuous, as I said. You're a smart guy, and I'm sure you've thought about this far more than I have. But I just don't see it. All I see are false histories being set up as straw men in order to knock them down and say something seemingly profound about "individuals." I'm all for ideology critique, but this uses historical revisionism as both the means and the object of its critique. That's simply bad logic.
Steve McQueen
Member
Can't really get into this game. The beginning was amazing, now I'm looking with Elizabeth for the
. I don't know how far I'm in, or if it picks up, but now there no real reason for me to continue. Als quite linear.
Does is get any better?
Chinese guy who makes guns: Chen
Does is get any better?
I think that's the real issue with the fight design. There is no foreshadowing and very little ammo within the area. In most of the other battles, where you engage several Patriots or one Handyman, there are always way to get more stuff from a vending machine. That makes the ghost fight incredibly frustrating.
yes, that's where things get better and better.
Riposte
Member
I never used those vending machines and I had quite a lot of ammo. I mean you could explore the full area before walking into that fight.
EDIT: I also wasn't that bothered by the minions. Dropped some AoEs while they spawned to limit them and focused on the boss.
I thought the beginning was kind of boring, but I thought the game became better the longer it went on. I'm trying to recall the moment I started to like the combat and I think it might have been around then or early. So... whatever.
EDIT: I also wasn't that bothered by the minions. Dropped some AoEs while they spawned to limit them and focused on the boss.
I thought the beginning was kind of boring, but I thought the game became better the longer it went on. I'm trying to recall the moment I started to like the combat and I think it might have been around then or early. So... whatever.
Not really, with the right combo of weapons and vigors, if you follow the thread, you'll see some of those, I mean I always used the ravens to stun, then the shotgun with some gear that stunned them when I overkilled, then the charge vigor wich not only exploded on impact, it also recharged my shield, I mean, if you know what you're doing you'll find an exploit eventually.
Yeah, well, almost not having time at all to play videogames, I'm not going to put up with those battles on hard.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
If you focus on 2-3 weapons to upgrade, shit is pretty manageable. My second playthrough was primarily shotgun and handcannon. Shotty for short range encounters, Handcannon for longer range headshots and shit, and both do a lot of damage pretty quickly against even the heavies, especially in combination with... practically any Vigor.
For that
boss, I used Devil's Kiss with the cluster/improved damage that does stupid amount of damage, chilling back with Handcannon shots all day. The third form there's a Dollar Bill machine in the corner, so you have practically infinite ammo/health if you got the money, which you should at that point.
For that
ghost
Freezasaurus
Member
It seemed to me like
Songbird was just an alternate reality version of the Big Daddy. Remember, there's always a man, always a lighthouse, always a city
other things would carry over to other realities as well
MrCompletely
Member
Ugh, i think i hit a game breaking bug.
Feels like I'm about mid-game, I entered the
If only there were save slots in this game
Might have to start over now and I get so little time to play as it is.
edit: I suppose I can restart the chapter, but not sure if it remembers my upgrades, gear, loadout, etc. Anyone know if the chapter start saves your character state?
Feels like I'm about mid-game, I entered the
Goodtime Club but cannot proceed past the first room. It seems I have to go back out to Finkton to do something to advance the story, however, the game loads indefinitely when I enter the door back to Finkton.
If only there were save slots in this game
Might have to start over now and I get so little time to play as it is.edit: I suppose I can restart the chapter, but not sure if it remembers my upgrades, gear, loadout, etc. Anyone know if the chapter start saves your character state?
You said you're playing on Normal, so you can't really know about the difficult on Hard.
On Normal, the game is crazy easy, I died about three times, all because of my own sloppiness, and you really never need any strategy.
EDIT: That sounds harsh reading it back, it's not meant to be.
yea, that's why i use zap right when he's about to charge again. gotta keep him stunned longer. if you upgraded the stun duration for both, it helps even more.
Well decided to marathon the game out and finished it.
Good game overall. Doesn't drag on like Bioshock, but still it feels it get less interesting as it went on.
Partially obviously because of the focus on combat. The game doesn't really offer anything new during the second half and you just repeat the same fights in slightly different areas. At least using powers is fun, so it doesn't become a silly grind.
The last battle though was pretty stupid imo.
Story was ok I guess. Need to let it sink in a bit. It felt like it played out the only way it could possible play out.
Good game overall. Doesn't drag on like Bioshock, but still it feels it get less interesting as it went on.
Partially obviously because of the focus on combat. The game doesn't really offer anything new during the second half and you just repeat the same fights in slightly different areas. At least using powers is fun, so it doesn't become a silly grind.
The last battle though was pretty stupid imo.
Story was ok I guess. Need to let it sink in a bit. It felt like it played out the only way it could possible play out.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
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Technosteve
Banned
I just finished the game, I think from game mechanics wise Bioshock was a lot better in this regard. But story wise I love the size and scope irrational try to tackle. Loved the game.
The Librarian
Banned
Listening to the soundtrack, I just wanted to say I looove "Will the Circle be Unbroken."
Robobandit
Member
I love it too.
I think the duet version where they both sing is the best one, though. I'd have loved to see that on the soundtrack
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Now that its over I don't even want to play anything else. Damn this game got its hooks into me.
i cannot stop thinking about it. haven't been this affected since 999.
I hear you man. Thats why I will be probably playing it over and over piecing things together until the DLC. Anything else just wont touch it.
Voice of Reason
Banned
I tried playing Dead Space 3 and I just couldn't.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I'm having a hard time getting into Infinite, and this is coming from a guy who LOVED Bioshock 1 & 2.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Doing 1999 mode from the beginning was a mistake. I wish I hadn't so I had a good excuse to start again. Thinking I'll just get a guide and start combing through the game.
I don't really like Bioshock 1 or 2 so your feelings on either don't seem to be any indication of how you will react to Infinite.
where are you and why?
The guide helps immensely. Pick one up.
Incendiary
Banned
From what everybody is saying, I'm glad that I did Hard on my first playthrough and am going to tackle 1999 mode next. Everybody says 1999 is great and no trouble if you played through it once already.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I got really bored with narrative of Bioshock after the twist and the combat whereas in Infinite the combat was always great and the narrative was pretty perfect. I think your right though and that if you liked the original you will probably be inclined to like this one as well.
Great Ill do that. I think I am also just going to go through the game and screencap the hell out it. Some of the best art of all time.
Yeah it should be much easier now that you know what Vigors to focus on and the general flow of the different combat encounters.
I'm feeling it a little bit too. The parts where you are just shooting guys and there aren't rifts all over and skylines to have fun with are kind of dull.
And the story is a little fetch questy right now (though it just got way more interesting after
going through the rift to find a living gunsmith dude
Is that the X chance of getting salt when you kill something one? Yeah, it has been pretty useful to me so far. Does a lot to keep you topped off.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Very much so. Endgame I'm throwing vigors out left and right and getting it right back after enemies die
It's been worth it for me, although I do rely on cheap to cast vigors so it evens out better. I just use shock jockey/possession (with the cheap-cast upgrade).
Nice, going through 1999 so it sounds useful.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I think they both go a little slack, actually,
they both have two 'fetch quest' areas, and all four of those drag I think.
I think Infinite is just much smarter for back-loading all the revelations. The wind just completely falls out of Bio1 after the twist. It'd be like reentering Aperture test chambers for a couple of hours after killing Glados (which I believe was actually the plan at one point).
I think Infinite is just much smarter for back-loading all the revelations. The wind just completely falls out of Bio1 after the twist. It'd be like reentering Aperture test chambers for a couple of hours after killing Glados (which I believe was actually the plan at one point).
It just happens that this is a far better combat experience, so even when at it's most slack, it's still more engaging for me.
Incendiary
Banned
I pretty much always had it equipped after I got it. It was my favorite gear and really useful.
The combat opens up right after the section you're in. It gets way better real soon.
The Librarian
Banned
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
The only
fetch quest where I definitely got the fatigue was with Slates area
I'm AMAZED that no one with the PC version knows how Chapter Select works. I guess everyone's like me and afraid to try an earlier save, worried they'll lose progress. I wish the game explained how it works, because I'd love to show other people the beginning of the game, starting with the quote from "Barriers to Trans-Dimensional Travel" and the "Are you afraid of God" voiceover before the lighthouse.
Also, I'm at
, 17 hours into the game, and here are some crazy theories my mind is cooking up about the twist:
1)
2)
Hmm, I had more ideas, but even the above "twists" don't have much payoff in and of themselves. Even if they came to pass, their dramatic heft would depend on how they're contextualized.
Also, I'm at
Ghost of Lady Comstock
1)
Booker and Elizabeth are one and the same -- parallel universe versions of each other separated by a single chromosome, like the Lutence "twins"
2)
Elizabeth is a parallel universe version of Anna DeWitt, which would explain why people kept mistaking her for an Anna, Booker included
Hmm, I had more ideas, but even the above "twists" don't have much payoff in and of themselves. Even if they came to pass, their dramatic heft would depend on how they're contextualized.
I really don't know what that means, I'm sorry.
Those ones are very light actually, you could easily read them.
The Librarian
Banned
Meaning say if they're spoilers from Infinite or BioShock or both.
