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[IISANDERII]

Can't they determine what his position was when he was shot? Or have I seen too much CSI? Or can they even be trusted to investigate honestly?

 

[Tedesco!]

I don't know, the constant and often racially motivated malfeasance of police officers seems like a good fucking reason. If people want to argue it's a few bad apples, then stop empowering them by arguing against tools that would help remove them.

I see your point, I just don't agree.

 

[Tedesco!]

Law enforcement gets military grade weaponry, but cameras aren't required. Why? Because they are a logistical and budget issue? Please. The truth will set us free.

As stated before, a lot of the military equipment is surplus and sold at a steep discount. I agree that cameras are a necessity, but there is a steeper cost to implementing that than there is buying surplus equipment.

 

[soundahfekz]

What I completely fail to understand is WHY the US Government thinks it's okay to militarise their police force. It's insane and truly shows how "defence" companies make use of legalised bribing of officials ("lobbying"). Tax payer money used to intimidate the tax payer.

America scares me sometimes.

The fuck do you need this kinda camo for in an urban American environment. People dismissed the militarization of the police for years, but this shit is real.

 

[Tedesco!]

I'm going to jump in here and state that your questions have been asked already, and none of them are dealbreakers. This kind of policy is being implemented already in some cities. It's a large undertaking, sure, but it is entirely feasible to have constant recording. It's what towns implementing cameras on their police officers seem to prefer, vs selective recording.

I think the cost would be a serious deal breaker. Maybe not for large cities, but definitely for medium or small size towns with police agencies. I would rather have a system that is implemented country wide, than a system implemented for a select few.

 

[benjipwns]

The fuck do you need this kinda camo for in an urban American environment. People dismissed the militarization of the police for years, but this shit is real.

Ever hear of the term urban jungle?

Checkmate.

 

[BronsonLee]

I think the cost would be a serious deal breaker. Maybe not for large cities, but definitely for medium or small size towns with police agencies. I would rather have a system that is implemented country wide, than a system implemented for a select few.

Surprisingly, the cost is actually not as destructive as you or I would think. Of the towns implementing it, a lot of them are the small/medium size towns you describe. And once the
infrastructure is setup, the cost of setting it up for an officer is very minimal.

The main dealbreakers are usually policy changes, resistance from higher ups in the police force, and fear of how it will affect police work.

 

[BruiserBear]

The fuck do you need this kinda camo for in an urban American environment. People dismissed the militarization of the police for years, but this shit is real.

Yeah, the shit you see some of these police forces rolling with is ridiculous. Granted, this isn't the standard officers wearing this, but their swat teams now look like Army Rangers.

 

[Kurdel]

The fuck do you need this kinda camo for in an urban American environment. People dismissed the militarization of the police for years, but this shit is real.

No "they" haven't.

I have been hearing news stories about the militarisation of police for years.

Last time it got full mainstream attention was the Boston bombing, where they had APCs.

 

[Tedesco!]

Surprisingly, the cost is actually not as destructive as you or I would think. Of the towns implementing it, a lot of them are the small/medium size towns you describe. And once the
infrastructure is setup, the cost of setting it up for an officer is very minimal.

The main dealbreakers are usually policy changes, resistance from higher ups in the police force, and fear of how it will affect police work.

I think we are in the same ballpark. I was talking about a system where there is local and simultaneous off site recording. If it is just localized recording, yeah that infrastructure is there and, and you are correct: it's not that cost prohibitive. I was speaking to a wider implemented system, one that I am not sure is really out there yet.

 

[Protein]

The fuck do you need this kinda camo for in an urban American environment. People dismissed the militarization of the police for years, but this shit is real.

Some stations have a "use it or lose it" policy with their army toys.

 

[BronsonLee]

I think we are in the same ballpark. I was talking about a system where there is local and simultaneous off site recording. If it is just localized recording, yeah that infrastructure is there and, and you are correct: it's not that cost prohibitive. I was speaking to a wider implemented system, one that I am not sure is really out there yet.

Yeah, pretty much. You're talking about memory/cloud based recording, which is the best way to handle this (since cloud based recordings would likely be much harder to destroy).

There's plenty of companies offering this sort of service to law enforcement, but as they're usually private entities and not government programs, it makes things harder.

 

[Akai__]

Ever hear of the term urban jungle?

Checkmate.

I still don't understand the need for it. Do they need it to hide in the urban jungle?

Maybe it serves an other purpose, like for intimidation?

 

[Vicetrailia]

The militarization of police is not new exactly, but obviously is at an extremely evolved state today. I grew up in Chicago in the 90s with the police having straight up war tactics. If you saw a helicopter you were soon to see decked out ATF, decked out CPD and SWAT, and maybe some military itself depending. I have some connections to the SouthSide today past 85th, and oh god the stories...but its working.

 

[benjipwns]

I still don't understand the need for it. Do they need it to hide in the urban jungle?

Maybe it serves an other purpose, like for intimidation?

Look some people like to cosplay, cops like to cosplay as military, okay?

 

[JDSN]

I confused this thread with the St Louis one, it was probably same the cop cheerleader that confused me.

 

[HighResTomato]

Yeah, the shit you see some of these police forces rolling with is ridiculous. Granted, this isn't the standard officers wearing this, but their swat teams now look like Army Rangers.

But the thing is this wasn't a SWAT team. These were officers "dealing" with a unarmed protester after that cop shot that 18 year old. (according to Time)

 

[Malyse]

I confused this thread with the St Louis one, it was probably same the cop cheerleader that confused me.

I was this close to calling him out.

 

[leakey]

As stated before, a lot of the military equipment is surplus and sold at a steep discount. I agree that cameras are a necessity, but there is a steeper cost to implementing that than there is buying surplus equipment.

GoPros can be bought on Amazon for less than $200. I'm sure if the police department bought one less APC or brand new Dodge Charger or discount rocket launcher, they could afford to outfit their entire precinct with halfway decent cameras. Just because the military is hocking leftovers at cheap prices doesn't mean the cops need to buy it.

 

[Enzom21]

I was this close to calling him out.

The dude who "doesn't have a dog in this fight"?

 

[Tedesco!]

GoPros can be bought on Amazon for less than $200. I'm sure if the police department bought one less APC or brand new Dodge Charger or discount rocket launcher, they could afford to outfit their entire precinct with halfway decent cameras. Just because the military is hocking leftovers at cheap prices doesn't mean the cops need to buy it.

It's not as simple as that, but I see your point.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

What I completely fail to understand is WHY the US Government thinks it's okay to militarise their police force. It's insane and truly shows how "defence" companies make use of legalised bribing of officials ("lobbying"). Tax payer money used to intimidate the tax payer.

America scares me sometimes.

As a military vet, I find the woodland camo with desert combat boots disturbing. If SWAT is going for the military look, they got it down pat. Right down to blousing the uniforms inside the boots.

 

[benjipwns]

As a military vet, I find the woodland camo with desert combat boots disturbing. If SWAT is going for the military look, they got it down pat. Right down to blousing the uniforms inside the boots.

They don't have the fire and engagement restrictions you did.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

They don't have the fire and engagement restrictions you did.

Or the training for that matter.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

They don't have the fire and engagement restrictions you did.

Or the training for that matter.

Yea and then there is the post above saying they're not even SWAT... I guess they want that intimidation factor to be through the roof.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Do any of you have a reference for all the stories of police misconduct and subsequent cover up/Blue Wall tactics?

 

[Tedesco!]

Do any of you have a reference for all the stories of police misconduct and subsequent cover up/Blue Wall tactics?

Rephrase your question or they will think you are challenging them.

 

[FartOfWar]

Yeah...that's nice.

Now tell me how this story fits in with innocent people getting choked to death while begging for their lives, getting their necks stepped on, getting killed while shopping without instigating, having their children shot in the streets like animals without instigating and I may be able to muster a smidgen of sympathy for these heartless criminals known as law enforcement officers.

No fucking sympathy. Fuck all cops. Even the good ones are part of the problem; you never hear them speak out about things like this.

Read Norm Stampers Breaking Rank http://www.amazon.com/dp/1560258551/?tag=neogaf0e-20 and tell me if you still feel this way.

 

[benjipwns]

Radley's book can't be plugged enough: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1610392116/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[-tetsuo-]

Was the mother at the scene during the shooting?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Rephrase your question or they will think you are challenging them.

I was going to respond but looks like a Mod already did.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

So disgusting.

 

[Malyse]

The dude who "doesn't have a dog in this fight"?

And yet is still in every thread to defend the poor police.


EDIT: Well that problem solved itself.

 

[Zantetsuken]

I wonder how much unnecessary force will drop if law enforcement officers were required to wear cameras on their person, especially in urban areas? We would probably have a difficult time logging on and finding devastating stories like these every week.

As a black man, I don’t really go out for real at night. I get nervous when an officer is driving behind me, for no reason. Fuck that, I try to keep myself at home. I shouldn’t have to do that though. It’s a problem when someone can’t even walk down the street.

 

[Malyse]

I wonder how much unnecessary force will drop if law enforcement officers were required to wear cameras on their person, especially in urban areas? We would probably have a difficult time logging on and finding devastating stories like these every week.

As a black man, I don’t really go out for real at night. I get nervous when an officer is driving behind me, for no reason. Fuck that, I try to keep myself at home. I shouldn’t have to do that though. It’s a problem when someone can’t even walk down the street.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto

 

[commedieu]

I wonder how much unnecessary force will drop if law enforcement officers were required to wear cameras on their person, especially in urban areas? We would probably have a difficult time logging on and finding devastating stories like these every week.

As a black man, I don’t really go out for real at night. I get nervous when an officer is driving behind me, for no reason. Fuck that, I try to keep myself at home. I shouldn’t have to do that though. It’s a problem when someone can’t even walk down the street.

for no reason my ass. Its because theres a 50/50 fucking chance of you being shot to death for bullshit reasons. Clearly you will exit the vehicle and try to steal the guys gun.

I consistently watch my mirrors, if I see a cop 10 cars back. I'm heading into the gas station. I've been nothing but harassed when it comes to LAPD and Culver City PD. Other day me and my buddy were meeting up for lunch, I was showing him some new silat moves I was barely learning. Both of us were laughing as I was trying to remember the moves. 2 cop cars show up immediately. and ask my friend whose a white guy named Pete, if he was ok. Afterwards he joked, "Well, I do feel a whole lot safer knowing that anytime a black man touches me, police will show up! But, not so much for you will." These cops today aren't the cops like my dad and co were. I've been pulled over in a civic, and the officer asked "ist this your car?" I mean, not even giving me a reason that i was pulled over.

Stay safe buddy. All in all, its just a few more restrictions added on top of the status-quo ones. The police never really warmed to the minority community, I avoided them even when it was sort of an urban legend to hear about a black kid shot for holding out his wallet.

Bonus points; i even tried to flag one down due to a man having a heart attack. tldr, it didn't work out.

I've sold my car, and pretty much Uber now. It feels so nice to be relaxed in a car and not feeling like I have a target on my back.

 

[Mass Effect]

Okay, I'm considering illegally immigrating to Canada now.

 

[Infinite]

I wonder how much unnecessary force will drop if law enforcement officers were required to wear cameras on their person, especially in urban areas? We would probably have a difficult time logging on and finding devastating stories like these every week.

As a black man, I don’t really go out for real at night. I get nervous when an officer is driving behind me, for no reason. Fuck that, I try to keep myself at home. I shouldn’t have to do that though. It’s a problem when someone can’t even walk down the street.

Idk if cops wearing cameras will matter if their department is trusted with the footage.

 

[BronsonLee]

Idk if cops wearing cameras will matter if their department is trusted with the footage.

I don't believe this is the case with how it's been implemented in other counties. It's usually been another entity.

 

[commedieu]

I don't believe this is the case with how it's been implemented in other counties. It's usually been another entity.

It has to be. You can't trust employees with their own accountability.

I just don't know what agency can't be manipulated by the PD/JusticeSystem. Our justice system is broken in this country, damn near completely. So finding an honest third party, outside of uploading to a public cloud where everything is 100% accessible/admissible to be used in court as well (Like live footage on a security camera) is problematic.

 

[GungHo]

Are there any police forces that have put cameras on uniforms?

In addition to the California examples, New Orleans, LA, was running a pilot recently. There are some concerns over data growth and the like, but the officers and the general public are generally okay with it as long as the officer told the people they were speaking with that they were on camera.

As stated before, a lot of the military equipment is surplus and sold at a steep discount. I agree that cameras are a necessity, but there is a steeper cost to implementing that than there is buying surplus equipment.

Plus, you know, the military equipment scares the shit out of people so you can get them to comply out of sheer terror and you don't have to budge a pudgy finger, as opposed to getting something that actually requires some accountability and planning.

They don't have the fire and engagement restrictions you did.

That part should terrify the shit out of you.

 

[DonDraper]

I've sold my car, and pretty much Uber now. It feels so nice to be relaxed in a car and not feeling like I have a target on my back.

I await your story telling us your Uber driver was pulled over and asked if he was driving of his own free will.

 

[BronsonLee]

It has to be. You can't trust employees with their own accountability.

I just don't know what agency can't be manipulated by the PD/JusticeSystem. Our justice system is broken in this country, damn near completely. So finding an honest third party, outside of uploading to a public cloud where everything is 100% accessible/admissible to be used in court as well (Like live footage on a security camera) is problematic.

Pretty much. I believe it's usually private companies they engage with, so if they attempt to modify/take footage, the company usually just pulls the contract.

I await your story telling us your Uber driver was pulled over and asked if he was driving of his own free will.

Well, in New York..

 

[itxaka]

you can program a robot to not be racist though

It will probably learn by going with police officers so...yeah. Black judgement day folks.

 

[TheOMan]

I await your story telling us your Uber driver was pulled over and asked if he was driving of his own free will.

Pretty sure there was a GAF thread on something like this happening quite often in NYC where they impounded cars with impunity.

Edit: Literally 2 posts above this one...

 

[Enzom21]

for no reason my ass. Its because theres a 50/50 fucking chance of you being shot to death for bullshit reasons. Clearly you will exit the vehicle and try to steal the guys gun.

I consistently watch my mirrors, if I see a cop 10 cars back. I'm heading into the gas station. I've been nothing but harassed when it comes to LAPD and Culver City PD. Other day me and my buddy were meeting up for lunch, I was showing him some new silat moves I was barely learning. Both of us were laughing as I was trying to remember the moves. 2 cop cars show up immediately. and ask my friend whose a white guy named Pete, if he was ok. Afterwards he joked, "Well, I do feel a whole lot safer knowing that anytime a black man touches me, police will show up! But, not so much for you will." These cops today aren't the cops like my dad and co were. I've been pulled over in a civic, and the officer asked "ist this your car?" I mean, not even giving me a reason that i was pulled over.

Stay safe buddy. All in all, its just a few more restrictions added on top of the status-quo ones. The police never really warmed to the minority community, I avoided them even when it was sort of an urban legend to hear about a black kid shot for holding out his wallet.

Bonus points; i even tried to flag one down due to a man having a heart attack. tldr, it didn't work out.

I've sold my car, and pretty much Uber now. It feels so nice to be relaxed in a car and not feeling like I have a target on my back.

I've been asked this question every time I've been pulled over. I told my white coworkers this and they looked at me like I was from Mars. I had to explain to them all of the extra shit black people have to go through when dealing with cops. They were still skeptical that it was actually happening though.

 

[soundahfekz]

I've been asked this question every time I've been pulled over. I told my white coworkers this and they looked at me like I was from Mars. I had to explain to them all of the extra shit black people have to go through when dealing with cops. They were still skeptical that it was actually happening though.

Most will never understand, or will they you're bitter and angry for no reason.

 

[Kinyou]

Idk if cops wearing cameras will matter if their department is trusted with the footage.

It seems to have happened a bunch of times that the dashcam recorded misconduct. Not sure how the storage of the recording is handled there.

 

[Malyse]

I await your story telling us your Uber driver was pulled over and asked if he was driving of his own free will.

I was going to make a joke but

Well, in New York..

FOR FUCKS SAKE, C'MON.

 

[Malyse]

It seems to have happened a bunch of times that dashcam footage recorded misconduct. Not sure how the storage of the recording us handled there.

This is simple. A. Have the recordings automatically uploaded to a server out of police control. B. Make the officer upload the file daily. File size shouldn't vary and if it does? Immediate unpaid suspension and a criminal investigation.