benjipwns
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Police work 24/7?
Black man fatally shot by police in Los Angeles; Family says was lying down when shot
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
its just finally getting media attention. Don't think that this is a short term issue.... its not.
vas_a_morir
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These happen every day. They just now get attention.
HighResTomato
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What I completely fail to understand is WHY the US Government thinks it's okay to militarise their police force. It's insane and truly shows how "defence" companies make use of legalised bribing of officials ("lobbying"). Tax payer money used to intimidate the tax payer.
America scares me sometimes.
America scares me sometimes.
Believe it or not, police can be sanctioned for things done outside of their work hours. Also on call when needed.
Well, I was talking about me. 24/7 is more of a saying than accurate statement to how long one works, but you know that. At face value I don't think it is economically feasible to record police officers while they are on duty, all the time. You would have to come up with a good justification to do so other than "they work for me" (paraphrasing)
Because we're tough on crime™, why else do we jail people en masse for nonviolent crimes and have one of the largest prison populations in the world?
This is no "information", so it's not hidden. Secret is not anti-democratic.
Outpourings is not democratic, considered transparency is.
Maybe something like Cop Victim Wiki. Then the main page tallies up all the data.
I'm debating whether I should start one right now. Problem is I don't have the time to sort through all the data.
And then the question is, are they police when they are working in a similar capacity as security or something like when off duty? If anything it would need to start small and expand later on.
NEOPARADIGM
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Dreams-Visions
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Good thing Diablo 3, Destiny and Madden are coming out.
Brothas will have no reason to venture outdoors for at least a little while.
Brothas will have no reason to venture outdoors for at least a little while.
Yeah, but they gotta walk to the store/Gamestop, dude. Roll of the dice just to make sure they no longer have to roll the dice, you know?
methane47
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This post is a pretty terrible post. I assume it was intended to show hey.. "its not that simple"
But to me all it shows is.. alittle bit of patience goes a long way.
Furthermore Most of the issues with recent shootings are NOT of people attacking police in anyway! Its of people trying to go about their regular lives, when a police officer comes in and basically instigates an issue, then Lies about physical contact and then shoots the person either while they are subdued or surrendered... or even handcuffed.
kame-sennin
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foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
*sigh*
benjipwns
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It's a War bro. On drugs. Crime. Poverty. Cops. Etc.
That's why we need brave soldiers in the field, unaccountable and with less fire restrictions than the actual military.
benjipwns
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In uniform, on the clock, on camera. They can take all their clothes off if they want to gossip with their fellow cops I suppose.
How can I know how to vote if information I consider valuable to my decision making process is not available to me because the state hides it?
Yuuuup. Governments have two ways of addressing unrest: respond with reforms to ease the unrest, or stop unrest with brute force and hope that people are scared enough that they shut up. America has clearly chosen the latter. It's sort of like Central America in the 80s but instead of death squads we have packs of legalized thugs rounding up millions of Americans and sending them into one of the most inhumane prison systems in the world. Also we make sure to brand everyone sent into this prison system as a second class citizen who has no other means but crime to survive when they get released.
You don't vote for cops. Maybe a sheriff, but not your regular beat cop. But that's besides the point.
How do you figure how to fund such a massive endeavor? Lets say the average shift is 8 hours. That's 8 hours of video and audio, recorded both locally and streamed. Now multiply that by however many officers work during a given day. I'll use my town. It's small. There are, I believe, 7 full time cops and 3 part time cops. How much data and storage are you looking at for each day, week, or month? It's gotta be HD, right? How long do you keep the footage? Who goes through the footage? Who decides when to delete the footage? That is an immense undertaking.
With having the cameras activate when the lights are active or the officer steps out of the car, you have eliminated a lot of needless video. You've also probably made it more affordable for the smaller cities to implement them. It is just not feasible to have constant recording.
benjipwns
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But I vote for the people who decide police policy at higher levels too. I need them to have the information just as much as me.
Eliminate funding for the schools and police.
Ok, you're a waste of time. Got it.
You're asking the wrong questions, again. Public administration is not something you vote for.
I could ask for the head of State's notes from meetings with his staff and ministers because I consider it valuable, but this isn't because I consider it so valuable that it needs to be shared as open-data to every citizen.
They are by the way hundred of dozens of strongest ideas and not full of bad side effects decisions that needs to be taken, especially in the US democracy. And feasible decisions in the 2014 world, where there is economic issues all over the world, financial debts for the States. You don't spend money on recording every civil servant for a so little, un-justified small stake. Democracy has a price, but again what you as is not democracy and in some ways could be seen as the opposite (there are plenty of political science and philosophical studies about that, you should read)
But yeah you have a really bizarre way of seeing the State, public servants, your vote, democracy and transparency, so I guess you won't understand my arguments and keep use low-level rhetoric with biased questions/arguments. In every language, arguing with libertarians ends up with the same dead end.
Good night.
jackissocool
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Like I saw on /r/socialism: a few bad apples ruin it for the good 3%Just to get it out of the way, there are good cops that has nothing to do with the piece of potentially wrong decision that ended up in someone losing their lives.
#notallcops
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OT: RIPHope there will be some clarity and more information on the case soon so appropriate actions can take place.
benjipwns
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No, I understand your argument. There are some things the little people just shouldn't be allowed to know, they're too important and they couldn't understand them anyway. Much better if issues like police militarization and misbehavior stay out of the messy TV show of politics and kept in the hands of expert public administrators who are immune to the people and their irrational and uneducated whims.
That way the demos doesn't rock the boat too much when they rock the vote.
Velcro Fly
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Are there any police forces that have put cameras on uniforms?
This mess isn't even coherent. I started to deconstruct it but this last paragraph here is some pretty overt dismissal and bullshit personal attacks in response to a basic question and it would clearly be a waste of time to broach your non sense with good faith that clearly wont be returned.
Spring-Loaded
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All functions of American patrol police that involve civilians need to be gradually replaced by machines and other automated systems. Speed/taillight/BAC monitoring systems in every car, patrol drones that can scan people for weapons, Etc.
So long as there are human cops, police will fail being impartial in situations that call for it. Somehow manage to stop treating black people as guilty by default, they'll still generally assume people are armed because of saturation of guns in the country. Get rid of all guns and provide cops with reliable non-lethal countermeasures, they'll still manage to use them irresponsibly/lethally. If it can happen, it will happen, and even one incident is simply too much and too damaging to be worth keeping cops in their current form. Get rid of the fallible human element from dangerous police work and these kinds of slayings won't be able to occur. Yes, I believe robot/digital policing is a more plausible solution than getting rid of racism and guns in the U.S.
Or just get police to wear cameras at all times, making sure their actions are under as much scrutiny as ours.
P.S. the line in the original story about whether the guy had gang affiliations is disgusting. That police would even attempt to plant that seed is villainous.
So long as there are human cops, police will fail being impartial in situations that call for it. Somehow manage to stop treating black people as guilty by default, they'll still generally assume people are armed because of saturation of guns in the country. Get rid of all guns and provide cops with reliable non-lethal countermeasures, they'll still manage to use them irresponsibly/lethally. If it can happen, it will happen, and even one incident is simply too much and too damaging to be worth keeping cops in their current form. Get rid of the fallible human element from dangerous police work and these kinds of slayings won't be able to occur. Yes, I believe robot/digital policing is a more plausible solution than getting rid of racism and guns in the U.S.
Or just get police to wear cameras at all times, making sure their actions are under as much scrutiny as ours.
P.S. the line in the original story about whether the guy had gang affiliations is disgusting. That police would even attempt to plant that seed is villainous.
Too busy suiting up with military grade guns and armor.
benjipwns
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Yes, actually there are quite a few who are introducing them this year. San Diego is maybe the biggest, mostly it's smaller towns that tend to have few problems and few officers. Or places like Kentucky or New Hampshire that have a bit of an anti-establishment background to them.
Example from Wilkesboro, where an officer describes all the benefits to them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp2BGKjQKGA
Seems the Brits are getting into it as well:
CountAntonius
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benjipwns
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Here's a CNN report on Ritalo, California where they've done it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1fS5D0Fzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1fS5D0Fzw
nabe_shogun
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Here where I live (Mesa, AZ), they are going to start making everyone wear one.
timetokill
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LAPD is scary, dudes.
One every 28 hours.
Not one of, bro:
Hmmm, when did jails get privatized in US again?
EDIT: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pr...es-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289
Makes sense now.
benjipwns
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Only 4% of the prison population is housed in private prisons.
Three strikes laws, minimum sentences and other "tough on crime, especially drugs" have a lot more to do with it.
How come cops in normal countries manage to do their jobs without killing people all the time? Let's compare USA to Western European countries, for example, where this does not happen every other day.
benjipwns
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BronsonLee
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I'm going to jump in here and state that your questions have been asked already, and none of them are dealbreakers. This kind of policy is being implemented already in some cities. It's a large undertaking, sure, but it is entirely feasible to have constant recording. It's what towns implementing cameras on their police officers seem to prefer, vs selective recording.
Heyo_Rockbreaker
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Sàmban;125117846 said:
I feel as if you've missed the point that the poster was getting at. "Children being shot out in the street like animals" is what you took away from one news outlet reporting on an incident that they do not have all of the details on. Moreover, the information has also most likely been presented in a manner which focus on aspects of the story which garners attention. We do not know the whole story.
Christopher
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Read more about the dragging of the naked woman. Out of all of them on that list I can say that one is fabricated.
I honestly HATE carrying this gun sometimes its such a huge responsibility I never ever want to use it ever ever ever.
ab.aeterno
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I don't know, the constant and often racially motivated malfeasance of police officers seems like a good fucking reason. If people want to argue it's a few bad apples, then stop empowering them by arguing against tools that would help remove them.
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