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Black Mesa Source |OT| Do you know who ate all the donuts?
- Thread starter The M.O.B
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I don't understand the critic about this game being too difficult. I'm playing on normal and challenge has been quite right. Fightning against marines is fun.
Black Mesa really reinforces just how crappy modern FPS have become, where well designed, sprawling and interconnected levels that reward exploration and provide interesting combat situations have been replaced by linear corridor based cover shooters.
Maybe it because all these COD type shooters with regenerating health and all that shit. I can't play them very long before they start to bore me. BMS is a like dear old friend from the
past.
I like it old school.
Black Mesa really reinforces just how crappy modern FPS have become, where well designed, sprawling and interconnected levels that reward exploration and provide interesting combat situations have been replaced by linear corridor based cover shooters.
Maybe it because all these COD type shooters with regenerating health and all that shit. I can't play them very long before they start to bore me. BMS is a like dear old friend from the
past.
I like it old school.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Up to We've Got Hostiles! and so far I'm really, really impressed. It's exceedingly polished and consistent for fan work.
I H8 Memes
Member
Oh man I just ran into my first glitch ... massive framerate slowdown @ the ninjas. Not good timing.
Barney's absence is mentioned literally as soon as you step off the tram in the first moments of the game.
As for crouch jump, it doesn't have the same feel as the original (where is was basically olympic long jump mode), but it's still effective here.
Oh to experience Hl for the first time all over again...
I can't count how many times this game makes me smile.
Also, for those that can't be with us on the journey for whatever reason, I'm continuing to screenshot it as best I can for you to witness how things are going.
Don't enter if you don't want spoilers.
Where I am so far...
The screenshot hub from the community...
This is a weird game.
It's incredibly well made and polished for a mod, but as a HL1 remake there are so many little (and big) differences with the original in the layouts and the way the weapons feel that it doesn't elicit nostalgia for me at all. I imagine it must be like playing Twin Snakes after having completed MGS1 a dozen times.
I'm still enjoying playing through it, but I don't think it's a better version over the original release.
It's incredibly well made and polished for a mod, but as a HL1 remake there are so many little (and big) differences with the original in the layouts and the way the weapons feel that it doesn't elicit nostalgia for me at all. I imagine it must be like playing Twin Snakes after having completed MGS1 a dozen times.
I'm still enjoying playing through it, but I don't think it's a better version over the original release.
No Xen for you
Metalmurphy
Member
I couldn't disagree more. I think they struck a really great balance between old and new. Everything is recognizable right away and the new while not abundant means you don't already know how to play it from start to finish, but it still keeps the same HL1 feel. Weapons don't feel much different to me either, maybe just a little faster. The accuracy and recoil are spot on.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Yeah, I agree. It's a pitch perfect update and I really don't see any reason to play the original over it now.
I wonder what Valve thinks of it. I bet they're impressed as hell.
I wonder what Valve thinks of it. I bet they're impressed as hell.
EvilDick34
Banned
Anyone else plan on playing HL2 and it's two episodes right after this? I feel like it has to be done yet again, love HL2 immensely.
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EvilDick34
Banned
They downloaded Black Mesa and are playing it but will never step inside this thread to eat crow.
It wasn't my plan but i don't think i'll be able to help myself.
I would have gladly put down 20 to 30 bucks for this. Really impressed how faithful it is to the original. The new textures and stuff enhance the atmosphere so much.
And like someone else mentioned, i'd like to know what Valve thinks of this.
IUCN has just classified Crows as a vulnerable species :/
The soldiers do a lot of damage. A lot. I know my senses have dulled over the years but I don't remember them being this hard, I guess they've had a boost. I'm having to be very careful but I'm really digging it.
Oh, btw has any UK Gaffer seen the
easter egg yet?
Oh, btw has any UK Gaffer seen the
Chuckle Brothers mug
The alt-fire fired them quicker, but not all at once.
They're even more goddamn reactive then they used to be.
Actually I think the assassins got toned down instead to compensate... had zero trouble with any sasswots.
EatChildren
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Jesus fucking christ soldiers deal way too much damage and have bullshit aimbot accuracy.
Metalmurphy
Member
Just like HL1
They seem to react faster in this one though, but I've seen some of them just stare at walls some times.
Well yeah.. But but that doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't show up
Well technically, it should. Since Blue Shift doesn't have Barney meet up with Gordon in the end.
EvilDick34
Banned
Yeah, i am sort of regreting putting the game on hard. I just went through most of the first wave of marines and they are kicking my ass but i just doubled down on being as quick as possible to fire at them. Also, i used a fire door to my advantage by killing one marine as the door closed and when i opened it, rolled a grenade under the door to blow one of them up and knocked one of them to the lower level making it easier to get past them haha.
EvilDick34
Banned
I remember this part i believe and yeah, not looking forward to doing it.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yes that is Barney Calhoun. (Although his Beer line in HL2 references the line of a different guard, but hey, maybe lots of guards owe him a beer.)
Does the name Barney actually appear in HL1? Apart from asset names etc.
Happy they didn't touch jump physics of HL2:
http://youtu.be/djE4x8FCVKQ
I definitely love this kind of oldschool shit.
http://youtu.be/djE4x8FCVKQ
I definitely love this kind of oldschool shit.
And kill you in about two seconds if you're playing on hard. I came up next to the exit, mp5-naded the first group and made a mad dash for the gateroom.
Krappadizzle
Member
I am in the complete opposite camp. The soldiers are easy as shit, I can easily take down 3 soldiers with one SMG mag. Though I'm playing on the default difficulty so maybe that plays a role. I'm finding this to be much easier than the original HL and I replayed through that 3 months ago.
If you're talking about all the trolling bullshit they were actively engaged in with their fans, I don't take back a single word I ever said about them. After a while, only a fool would have believed a single word they said.
Having said that, from what I've played so far, it's pretty fucking awesome. They may have been world class trolls, but they seem to have delivered an awesome piece of software despite it.
The guards aren't given names in HL1, it's not until Blue Shift that Barney [and Otis] really become characters in the mythos.
Pump it up to hard, I dare you. A single soldier will own your ass.
Is it even the same team members at this point? I mean they had a self-imposed silence for a long time.
Glad I'm not alone in looking at every single scrap on paper to see if their are little injokes hidden on them.
I H8 Memes
Member
Two nice touches I found.
The problem with them is that they are just plain old boring AI as usual. Slowly creep around a corner and blast one in the head with the revolver. The other 5 in the room don't even care. Plant a bunch of trip wires and go hide. They will stare at them for a minute and then run through them. The moment you enter their line of site and they are alerted though, they instant 360 noscope headshot you for ~40 armor damage before you can even get your gun up.
I don't even see the point of armor because you lose it all after one encounter unless you save and reload like a fiend. I remember in the first game, I couldn't hide. They would grenade me and flush me out. In this one they all pile up in a narrow door while I pick them off.
I can't really fault the developers here, it's a free mod. I just don't think the AI should be given much credit, it's standard fare at best.
Edit: This isn't aimed at your comment per say, I'm just piggy backing it get my thoughts out.
SteveWinwood
Member
This is what I figured happened. You had some guys who were all yeah that would be really easy to just remake hl1 lets do it! They found out it was hard. Later some guys with actual talent and drive were wondering what was taking so long, contacted them and then just did it all.
Lets get this out of the way... I'm really loving playing through it, the game is awesome and excellently done. Probably a new pinnacle for mode development in terms of what they've offered.
One of the most impressive things to me though is how consistent the art direction is. That's something you usually see mod teams struggle quite a bit with, or simply not address at all, but here they've really nailed it. Big hats off to them.
The only disappointment to me has been the music. I turned it down really far and it still blares out extremely loudly whenever it kicks in, and just generally takes me out of the moment. I feel like it actually detracts from the game.
One of the most impressive things to me though is how consistent the art direction is. That's something you usually see mod teams struggle quite a bit with, or simply not address at all, but here they've really nailed it. Big hats off to them.
The only disappointment to me has been the music. I turned it down really far and it still blares out extremely loudly whenever it kicks in, and just generally takes me out of the moment. I feel like it actually detracts from the game.
No, it's moved until after you get the first Barney to help you. You need to pick it up to proceed though, just like in HL1... not sure if you need to use it to go on though.
SniperHunter
Banned
damn