When I play CS after playing MVC3 I try to execute my entire combo in two seconds and it drops after the second hit. It doesn't take me too long to switch between the two but it's hilarious how gargantuan MVC3's input buffer is in comparison. I once caught myself inputting hatsu before Itsuu A had finished connecting.ApolloJoh said:
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QisTopTier
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Umm MvC3 pretty much has no buffer at all. Practically every move cancels into each other at any given time the second you press the input, that's not buffering. Blazblue on the other hand has a 5 frame buffer for every move.Fugu said:
The active frames of the average move in BB are so much larger than the active frames of the average move in MVC3 that a straight comparison of the input buffer is meaningless. I notice the input buffer a lot more in MVC3 than I do in BB because in MVC3 things happen faster in general.QisTopTier said:
I haven't played anyone from GAF in awhile, so if anyone's on tonight, I will be.
QisTopTier
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There is no buffer on mvc3 man.
darkblade77
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MvC3 is too fast-paced to need a system that repeats inputs for a few frames(except for online, but oh well). They compensated for that by letting everything cancel into everything at nearly any time like Q said. There are literally six-dozen ways to time the same magic series into launcher string and it will still work, unlike BB or most other fighting games where any significant timing variations on any given B&B can probably be counted on one hand at most.
I was shitty at BB before, but now... ugh. Basic normal timings aside, my hands don't want to remember dash cancel timings anymore. They were in a better place where they could flail around and flashy things would happen
I was shitty at BB before, but now... ugh. Basic normal timings aside, my hands don't want to remember dash cancel timings anymore. They were in a better place where they could flail around and flashy things would happen
Incendiary
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So I got CS thanks to the AkSys Benefit Sale, and was messing around with it tonight. I have no idea what I'm fucking doing compared to MvC and SF. It's really fun, though. I made it through about half of the intermediate training but got stuck on the Fatal Counter combo string, can't make the last in the combo hit for some reason.
I haven't had a chance to really read the thread yet, but I tried Arcade Mode after doing a little training with Jin, and breezed through it not losing a single match. Then I got to Unlimited Ragna and he just kicked my ass left and right. Is it just me as a fighting noob or is the difficulty spike to the last battle insanely high? I don't think I got him below 75% health over 10 matches, so I just gave up for the night.
My favorites seem to be Jin and Litchi, but I'm still just messing around. There's a lot more techniques to remember compared to the other fighting games I normally play. Still haven't got a hand on Rapid Cancel or Break Bursts yet.
I'm looking forward to getting better at this, though. I'm slowly turning into a fighting game person. Low-level sucky fighting game person, but this and MvC3 are all I've been playing the last few weeks.
I haven't had a chance to really read the thread yet, but I tried Arcade Mode after doing a little training with Jin, and breezed through it not losing a single match. Then I got to Unlimited Ragna and he just kicked my ass left and right. Is it just me as a fighting noob or is the difficulty spike to the last battle insanely high? I don't think I got him below 75% health over 10 matches, so I just gave up for the night.
My favorites seem to be Jin and Litchi, but I'm still just messing around. There's a lot more techniques to remember compared to the other fighting games I normally play. Still haven't got a hand on Rapid Cancel or Break Bursts yet.
I'm looking forward to getting better at this, though. I'm slowly turning into a fighting game person. Low-level sucky fighting game person, but this and MvC3 are all I've been playing the last few weeks.
darkblade77
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Dreavus said:
'Buffering' would be hitting the input in advance so that when the attack ends or hits a cancellable portion the input would still come out(supers, etc). The input you buffer is held for a few frames until it becomes eligible to come out. A lot of BB combos rely on buffering motions because normals are typically slower and active for more real-time on hit/block, but have a relatively short window to cancel anything in. Obviously Tager uses buffering all the time for his 360/720 setups.
In Marvel, it's hard to say the buffer is anything but short because it's largely redundant in the system. Nearly every normal is out for less time and has an absurdly lenient cancel window. Take the magic series for an example; no matter how early you hit it, the entire thing is often still an eligible combo.
Saying the buffer itself doesn't exist is just hyperbole; there has to be a really short buffer in the game. All games have an 'input buffer' that stores and uses previously-input commands, or stuff like dashing(forget QCF/DP motions) wouldn't even work.
The easiest way to tell that the buffer is short would be playing someone like Felicia, whose normals are active for such a short amount of time that trying to hit-confirm a lot of her strings isn't possible; you have to hit a lot of them in a very short advance window or not at all, and her magic series actually has a stricter sense of timing attached to it as a result. For characters like Hulk it's almost impossible to tell, because his moves are active for so long and have such excessive hit/blockstun while being cancellable at all times. (which is another reason why characters like Hulk/Sent are popular online outside of the raw damage; you get a lot more room for error during lag that other characters don't get--because among other reasons yes, the buffer in MvC3 is really short)
Another way to at least see that buffering barely exists in there is that you can toss in TK inputs for stuff like Spencer's OTG pickup (2369+M/H) in advance at the end of a launcher combo that leaves him on the ground. But the window to do it early is fairly small.
EDIT: Clarified that a bit.
EDIT2: Clarified more.
I notice the input buffer when I'm in a situation where I'm executing well ahead of my active move (when the move that I'm cancelling hasn't even been thrown out yet -- this is pretty obvious if you input, say, A B C jc A as Chun-Li) and when I'm blocking. I don't notice it so much in BlazBlue because when moves have active frames in the double digits, a five frame input buffer (initially typed "butter") doesn't come up all that often. I also don't find it any more difficult to TK in MVC3, although I'm not sure that the input buffer applies unilaterally in that situation (otherwise dashing using movement inputs would be really, really hard).darkblade77 said:
But this is a BlazBlue thread, so let's talk about BlazBlue. Is anyone planning on picking up CS2 for the PSP?
darkblade77
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The TK motion itself isn't noticeably affected by the buffer; it's when you perform it out of landing recovery from a launcher combo where it becomes noticeable that it exists. Also, are you on a (near)lagless setup? Any significant TV/monitor input lag will force you to place inputs visually in advance for fast characters no matter what.
Not too hot on getting CS2 for PSP, but I am sort of interested in seeing it on the 3DS when I eventually pick one up.
Not too hot on getting CS2 for PSP, but I am sort of interested in seeing it on the 3DS when I eventually pick one up.
NORCAL INSTALL is live. BlazBlue, GG, MBAA & AH3 - http://www.justin.tv/iplaywinner
The Take Out Bandit
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haunts said:
Are any of the GG matches online?
I forgot this was going on.
The Take Out Bandit said:
http://www.ustream.tv/user/norcalinstall/videos
I think they recorded the entire tournament.
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/03/2...e-continuum-shift-ii-on-nintendo-3ds-and-psp/
Some stuff about CS2 on psp and 3ds. Things that are important is probably the game will skip frames on psp-1000 and different regions can't play together.
Also, was reading some stuff that Arc will fix Valk's achievements on the 360 version soon. I never knew it was broken.
Some stuff about CS2 on psp and 3ds. Things that are important is probably the game will skip frames on psp-1000 and different regions can't play together.
Also, was reading some stuff that Arc will fix Valk's achievements on the 360 version soon. I never knew it was broken.
The Take Out Bandit
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Ugh. . .
Guys, it's 2011.
Then again it seems the 3DS version is something of a port from the PSP version, so it makes sense they wouldn't add proper online play (even if 3DS online is still kind of poo).
Oh well, ultimately doesn't matter. No joystick, no play.
Guys, it's 2011.
Then again it seems the 3DS version is something of a port from the PSP version, so it makes sense they wouldn't add proper online play (even if 3DS online is still kind of poo).
Oh well, ultimately doesn't matter. No joystick, no play.
sixteen-bit
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That sucks, I still have a PSP-1000. Not that I was totally interested before, I guess this makes the decision for me.
The Take Out Bandit
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Fugu said:
Nice. I'm detecting a surprised tone from your post, was it a surprise / gift?
sixteen-bit
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Through remote joy? I remember playing SFA3 that way a couple of years ago, but it was laggy.Fugu said:
My friend has the game so I tried it out this morning. I was using RemoteJoy (lite). Remotejoy makes the framerate chug at certain times but it doesn't really matter in training mode; the bigger problem is that the game crashes any time that someone ends the round with a distortion AND between all rounds when connected through RemoteJoy so it's basically only useful for training mode, but that's pretty much all I'm buying the PSP version for. It's such a huge difference that I wouldn't play without it for a minute; I literally could not even do a diagonal input on the PSP d-pad. Of course, using xpadder isn't optimal due to the fact that it itself is not great at picking up diagonal inputs, but whatever.
As for the actual game, my god does Litchi feel different. j.C being emergency techable seems like the biggest difference but being able to combo off of crossup j.2D without a rapid is huge too and it's an absolutely huge benefit to her pressure.
What I'm really liking the most about CS2 Litchi is how nonstandard she is compared to CS1. Her pressure is a lot more open now that j.2D is always a threat (people will whine about how weak her overheads are now, though -- having said that, 4D leads to hilarious damage in the corner) and there's a lot of room to improvise and fool your opponent; 6C[m] 5D shennanigans look very interesting. She's also got completely unique corner combos, different midscreen combos for every opener, throw combos ripped straight out of CS1... instead of every opener ultimately leading to the same thing, you now have to hitconfirm with some intelligence and adjust for every opener. Incidentally, I'm going to be in training mode for awhile.
Short version: I've only played it for an hour but I think I already like it better than CS1.
As for the actual game, my god does Litchi feel different. j.C being emergency techable seems like the biggest difference but being able to combo off of crossup j.2D without a rapid is huge too and it's an absolutely huge benefit to her pressure.
What I'm really liking the most about CS2 Litchi is how nonstandard she is compared to CS1. Her pressure is a lot more open now that j.2D is always a threat (people will whine about how weak her overheads are now, though -- having said that, 4D leads to hilarious damage in the corner) and there's a lot of room to improvise and fool your opponent; 6C[m] 5D shennanigans look very interesting. She's also got completely unique corner combos, different midscreen combos for every opener, throw combos ripped straight out of CS1... instead of every opener ultimately leading to the same thing, you now have to hitconfirm with some intelligence and adjust for every opener. Incidentally, I'm going to be in training mode for awhile.
Short version: I've only played it for an hour but I think I already like it better than CS1.
sixteen-bit
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Zen United's April Fool's joke
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The Take Out Bandit
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Hey folks, anybody know where I can obtain the vocal audio for Calamity Trigger? For personal use. I found Continuum Shift, but I honestly prefer the announcer voice from the first game.
Thanks.
Thanks.
sixteen-bit
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You could go into sound test and record it yourself. IIRC CT has sound test too.
The Take Out Bandit
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_dementia said:
Sold CT since I no longer had a PS3. :X
SolarPowered
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I just got my PS3 copy of BB:CS, but I won't be able to test it out due to unforeseen circumstances.
This should be a real good test for their netcode. I'm expecting good things.
This should be a real good test for their netcode. I'm expecting good things.
Man, it's been FOREVER since I last made a post in here.
In case anyone didn't know about this (semi-related)...
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/guilty_gear_x2_reload
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/guilty_gear_x2_reload
TheFightingFish
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Fugu said:
Dang, my 360 has been in the shop for a week and I was annoyed at not having anything available to play fighting gamewise on the PC. I think my box gets back today, but I'd still pick up GGX2 $6 DRM-free anyways. How is the port?
Pretty big news.
BBCS2 console patch for Japan is coming May 10 to XBL and May 12 to PSN.
Probably will come state-side not long after.
BBCS2 console patch for Japan is coming May 10 to XBL and May 12 to PSN.
Probably will come state-side not long after.
sixteen-bit
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HYPE~!ApolloJoh said:
Oh man, I hope NA gets it before June 1st so they can run CS2 at EVO.
Prototype-03
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ApolloJoh said:
RIP MvC3
QisTopTier
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Well no need to waste money on SSF4AE nowApolloJoh said:
SolarPowered
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I can't wait to sink my teeth into the update. It'll be the only thing that will distract me from Marvel at this point.
SephirothRK
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Can't wait. Gotta balance out BBCS2, MVC3, SSF4AE. I wonder what's improvement to the netcode and if it would help me.