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BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II |OT| The Sequel Blue Me Away
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That does make me feel better, actually.
Except not really. If you're playing ranked, then I would recommend just... not playing ranked until you've learned your BnBs and feel comfortable enough with your character to actually pull them off. Winning on ranked is basically a consitency contest because everything is resolved in one match. You might win a few games but I doubt it'll be a positive experience without some time invested into your character first.
Player matches are great because you can play the same player over and over again and you have the opportunity there to correct specific mistakes hands-on.
Regardless of how you get your matches in, I would suggest saving replays and watching yourself make mistakes. It's very enlightening and gives you a better idea of how others might see you as an opponent and when you get destroyed, it can tell you what about your game your opponent used to take advantage of you.
Ultimately though you're losing online because you can't pick BB up in an evening. I have something like 4500 games played on CS and there are people with three times as much as I've got. You could be the most badass badass in the history of badassery and it'd still take you some time to make up that matchup experience. I'm still pretty meh though so once you do learn those BnBs I'll be happy to fight.
Except not really. If you're playing ranked, then I would recommend just... not playing ranked until you've learned your BnBs and feel comfortable enough with your character to actually pull them off. Winning on ranked is basically a consitency contest because everything is resolved in one match. You might win a few games but I doubt it'll be a positive experience without some time invested into your character first.
Player matches are great because you can play the same player over and over again and you have the opportunity there to correct specific mistakes hands-on.
Regardless of how you get your matches in, I would suggest saving replays and watching yourself make mistakes. It's very enlightening and gives you a better idea of how others might see you as an opponent and when you get destroyed, it can tell you what about your game your opponent used to take advantage of you.
Ultimately though you're losing online because you can't pick BB up in an evening. I have something like 4500 games played on CS and there are people with three times as much as I've got. You could be the most badass badass in the history of badassery and it'd still take you some time to make up that matchup experience. I'm still pretty meh though so once you do learn those BnBs I'll be happy to fight.
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Fugu said:
Yeah pretty much everything here. Not sure who the best Jin is in japan right now, but I suggest digging up some match videos and see some techniques they use in a fight so you have an idea to work towards.
I've had this game for a damn long time and I thought it's time I properly learned it.... Do I just suck or are the timings required in the challenges pretty anal?
I'm just going through each character's tutorial followed by a couple of challenges and then completing their scenario's on arcade mode to see which caters to me the most.... And I can't even get past the 3rd or 4th challenge for any of the characters I've tried so far.
I'm just going through each character's tutorial followed by a couple of challenges and then completing their scenario's on arcade mode to see which caters to me the most.... And I can't even get past the 3rd or 4th challenge for any of the characters I've tried so far.
Hyphen
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AAK said:
Regarding the timings, it depends on the character and combo. Sometimes it's a case of just delaying a specific input in the combo string, otherwise the move will either never hit, or the character simply won't do the required move. At other times you may have to buffer the action whilst in the middle of the previous input. Whatever the case, when you discover what it is, it will suddenly all make sense in a "Ooooooooohh, THAT's how you do it" moment. However...
Like Fugu suggested earlier, don't worry about the character challenges too much - There will inevitably be a sudden ceiling you'll hit that will make you question how in the world you're supposed to pull off a particular combo. Like you say, this happens at around challenges 3 or 4 for most newbies, and will keep on happening no matter which character you pick. So for now, I think it's more important to try and focus on simply deciding on 'maining' one character from the roster. How you come to that conclusion is your choice.
IN MY OPINION - Once that is done, you should learn the 'bread and butter' combos (search the dustloop forums) rather than the more extravagent ones you've seen in the challenges, because the next ceiling you'll hit is pulling off combos during matches - What tends to happen is that players try to force combos out, rather than doing them naturally at the most appropriate times and the ideal situations. So having a long list of inputs memorised in your mind for that one big combo you executed in Challenge Mode isn't ideal newbie preparation. Start small, and stay small until those bnb combos become literally muscle memory, whereby you're doing them without much thought. And then just expand from there.
Just remember that it will take thousands of matches and tons of practice before you reach a level where everything feels like it's coming together. And that's just the first step, because there are more celings to hit and burst through.
Prototype-03
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Grifter said:
That's so vague, I wouldn't know where to start. What do you need help with? Combos? Movement? Hit confirms? Meter management?
Prototype-03
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Grifter said:
He's an aggressive character with very limited mixup and very weak defense. It's best to save your meter for rapids and dead angles. Learn to move around with wolf form, he can actually mixup pretty well in this stance. Also 5B in wolf form. One of the best AA's in the game.
If you're on ps3, I can actually hop on and have some matches. He hasn't changed much since CS1.
Thanks. I'm on 360, dropped CS1 before he was released and I haven't yet faced one online in CS2.
He reminded me of a cross between my GG main, Slayer, and Taokaka so I'm picking him up but I'm not yet sure if the stance-switching for combos and momentum is fun for me. Wolf movement is bizarre.
Is w.AAA and w.j.AAA worth doing with the scaling?
He reminded me of a cross between my GG main, Slayer, and Taokaka so I'm picking him up but I'm not yet sure if the stance-switching for combos and momentum is fun for me. Wolf movement is bizarre.
Is w.AAA and w.j.AAA worth doing with the scaling?
Prototype-03
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Grifter said:
I think in CS2, the j.AAA is there for positioning. I've seen most mains doing j.A into the combo so I think it changed in CS2.
Prototype-03
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Fugu said:
In human form... I should've clarified. He has retarded mixups in wolf.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/24/blazblue_extend_ps360/
Extendddd
So I guess same thing again Update is free. Character costs money
Extendddd
So I guess same thing again Update is free. Character costs money
sixteen-bit
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Let's hope so.xero273 said:
But the thing that has me worried is the save file portability between Vita and PS3.
The Vita version has additional story mode content not in CS. So I think it might be a new retail release (unless they make the new story mode DLC, or course).
Prototype-03
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thundr51 said:
Tsubaki changed a lot. Probably one of the characters that changed drastically.
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xero273 said:
Let's hope it doesn't come out to console 8 months late. This crap happen every single time, after the console version is release, you play a few month and they announce a new update that change all the combo that you been grinding for months.
The worst yet is the new patch will not be out to console for another 8 months, so you either play an outdated version or stop playing once and for all. =/
Prototype-03
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Fugu said:
To be fair, arcades in the US is dead. Not that the Nesica system was a good idea but don't think it would've made a huge difference. The console releases are pretty on point with JPN release.
sixteen-bit
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Extend trailer for Vita (from rockman zx's thread in gaming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jEA2kSemk
edit: aaaand Jayoku Hotenjin gets shittier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jEA2kSemk
edit: aaaand Jayoku Hotenjin gets shittier
There are certainly prominent arcades left in North America. In fact, Lovegety (Toronto) was one of them despite being in an entirely inconvenient location until CS2 was announced in Japan. Previously, Lovegety's entire business was oriented towards the fact that CS was out in the arcades but not on consoles; this is how fighting games should be released because it gets people to go out and play and subsequently generates a lot of hype for the next revision without completely killing the previous one. However, because we don't have current cabinets anymore, the games just die pre-emptively because nobody wants to play a game that they know will be replaced shortly.Prototype-03 said:
If they don't want the players to periodically forget about BB like they do now, they need to either incentivize arcades like they do in Japan (release the game for arcades substantially before the console release) or they need to time the American console release with the Japanese arcade release. If they're giving up on arcades entirely, there's no reason for us to get screwed waiting.
Come to think of it, the death of Lovegety has killed Toronto's BlazBlue scene as a whole. I play against the guys in Montreal more often than I do Toronto and I don't live there.
Honestly, I hope they can acknowledge that arcade scenes outside of Asia are pretty much dead, and have been pretty much dead for most of the decade, and release each new revision on console at the same time as the arcades. Talking about a few select arcades in major metro areas as if they actually still constitue a scene is pretty useless.
When you're talking about a game like BB that doesn't pull giant numbers, the arcades that respectively sustain scenes of about ~100 people are a big deal. They're big money makers for the arcade owners for starters and they give players a place to play that they know other people will be playing, and that's a gigantic asset to the development of any scene, not just in terms of size but in terms of the quality of players that that region puts out: The standard of players in Toronto was, during the CS1 era, a lot higher than it is now simply because there isn't a place to go where people are playing literally every weekend. Arcades as a viable business are certainly no longer popular but their relevance within the fighting game community is not lost where they do exist.LegatoB said:
EDIT: Lovegety buys international cabinets anyway so the amount of work they would have to do to bring it here on time is basically nonexistent, particularly for a fighting game that can safely presume that the person playing already knows how to play.
However, I agree that they may not want to orient their international release cycle around arcades seeing as there's not one in most cities anymore.
Prototype-03
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Fugu said:
Yes, it's infuriating but there's not much you can do. There is a big enough scene to say that the arcade BB crowd exists but not enough to bring it to the states. Their best bet was to import it but Nesica just killed all hope for that. One of the biggest arcades in socal (Arcade Infinity) closed down recently, Denjin Arcade hasn't really been updated for a while (unless that changed in the past year) and I haven't really gone to FFA in Simi Valley yet but I can tell you that the arcade scene is pretty much dying here. I think a handful of BB players that I used to play with in AI have resorted to playing at other people's houses instead of going to the arcades. I remember that even about 1 1/2 year ago, people would try to meet up but that's pretty much gone.
Most ground moves are air unblockable. Usually projectiles aren't (DP projectiles and sparkbolt are; I'm probably missing some). Specials are hit or miss, and the general rule with them is that if you can do them in the air, they're probably not air unblockable. I just assume that all supers are air unblockable until proven otherwise, and if I'm in the air I always barrier cancel. 5As aren't, except Hakumen's.Grifter said:
The way 6A[m] works is that it dislocates the staff from her body (3C[m] does this more obviously if you just want to see what it looks like). So what happens if you use 6A[m] again before the staff comes back is that you get the added range of the already dislocated staff and then the staff dislocates even further. If you do this over and over again you can get it to go across the screen.
It actually doesn't just apply to 6A[m], though. You can use repeated 6A[m]s to get more distance on 5C[m] as well.
It actually doesn't just apply to 6A[m], though. You can use repeated 6A[m]s to get more distance on 5C[m] as well.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/30/blazblue_ps360_announced/
Inclusion of all the paid Continuum Shift download content
New rules for online play, including 2 on 2, 3 on 3 and 2 on 4 battles
hmm I want to say this is starting to sound like a all new disc package. I'm curious about the new online play though.
Inclusion of all the paid Continuum Shift download content
New rules for online play, including 2 on 2, 3 on 3 and 2 on 4 battles
hmm I want to say this is starting to sound like a all new disc package. I'm curious about the new online play though.
Prototype-03
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xero273 said:
Sounds like it. Inclusion of all DLC characters makes it 90% sure that it is.
Well, at least it gets released in Winter which it isn't too far away.
sixteen-bit
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I might bite.xero273 said:
Definitely glad I held off on buying any of the DLC.
It'd be a budget title so I'd buy again happily esp. if the net code is retweaked, but I bought the DLC characters for a tourney setup last week, so I hope a DLC patch is an option.
Did they switch announcers in Extend? Wonder if they used another of the DLC voices and if those'd be included too. Jin announcer is such a trip.
Did they switch announcers in Extend? Wonder if they used another of the DLC voices and if those'd be included too. Jin announcer is such a trip.
Prototype-03
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Grifter said:
Wait, what's wrong with the netcode?
sixteen-bit
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Perhaps they can bring it up to Arcana level or better.Prototype-03 said:
sixteen-bit
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Arc claimed AH3 was their best effort yet. Probably just marketing fluff then.Fugu said:
I don't really have any basis for this information other than the fact that they're identically structured and they're both delay-based netcode systems. I've played a lot of both and the only differences I find I can attribute to the fact that BB is outright more popular than AH3._dementia said: