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[echoshifting]

The Unsundering? Arthas is small time compared to say, the return of the Titans.

Power level =/= epicness. I have known and cared about Arthas and Northrend for a long time, I care little about the Titans or their story. Emerald Dream and the Great Sea will both be fun to play but there isn't much there I'm just dying to see. You'd have to be a serious Warcraft lore nerd to care more about those things than the Lich King's last stand.

You guys are all talking about power level.

 

[traveler]

Power level =/= epicness. I have known and cared about Arthas and Northrend for a long time, I care little about the Titans or their story. Emerald Dream and the Great Sea will both be fun to play but there isn't much there I'm just dying to see. You'd have to be a serious Warcraft lore nerd to care more about those things than the Lich King's last stand.

Or someone who cares about the story beyond Warcraft 3. (Hell, they haven't even brought in Deathwing yet)

 

[echoshifting]

Or someone who cares about the story beyond Warcraft 3. (Hell, they haven't even brought in Deathwing yet)

I do care about the story beyond Warcraft 3, just not as much as events I was personally invested in throughout that shining jewel of a game.

 

[echoshifting]

I don't think he'll die based on what Chris Metzen said at last Blizzcon (StarCraft II will be Raynor's "time to shine"). Of course that could also just mean he'll go out in a blaze of glory.

eh, I just take that to mean he's the story's protagonist. Which makes a lot more sense now that we know you only play Terran for 30 missions.

I don't see how he can shine in the Zerg campaign, for instance, unless he becomes infested...which would be way more awesome than just killing him, come to think of it.

 

[HK-47]

I do care about the story beyond Warcraft 3, just not as much as events I was personally invested in throughout that shining jewel of a game.

You mean Arthas in general being a dick and not listening to anyone, and ending up being a ruthless killing machine? Yeah good stuff

 

[traveler]

I do care about the story beyond Warcraft 3, just not as much as events I was personally invested in throughout that shining jewel of a game.

That's fine. I'm just saying my personal hype for the events beyond WotLK doesn't simply stem from thinking that there are enemies with a greater "power level" than Arthas out there, but, rather, from an investment in the history prior to the Third War.

 

[echoshifting]

You mean Arthas in general being a dick and not listening to anyone, and ending up being a ruthless killing machine? Yeah good stuff

Hey I didn't say I empathized with him. His fall from grace and rise to power was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch. If you didn't like it that's fine, it's still a great story as far as I'm concerned.

Arthas aside, I've *been* to Northrend, I went to Outland before BC, I've never been to the Emerald Dream, therefore I'm less invested in it. If you guys want to be hyped for it that's cool, I'm sure I will be too when I see what they have in store. I just don't NEED to go there to feel like my WoW experience is complete.

 

[Saerk]

The D3 class panel was great and they showed off classes and gameplay. The gameplay one was only 20 minutes and didn't cover anything that really wasn't already covered in the class panel. I don't even remember any real gameplay shown in the gameplay panel. It was very dissapointing after following the long and in depth Starcraft 2 panel. Skip the D3 gameplay if there is another showing, but the class panel is a good watch.

From what I gathered about Starcraft 2, the game will be released as 3 stand alone games. Each game will have branching campaign of 26-30 or so missions. There is also supposed to be a sub campaign in each game that will follow Zeratul. He is supposed to get a few missions in each game to tie the story lines together. It sounded like there would be no difference in the multiplayer aspect of the SC2 games. The single player games will also have unqiue units to the single player story.

 

[HK-47]

That's fine. I'm just saying my personal hype for the events beyond WotLK doesn't simply stem from thinking that there are enemies with a greater "power level" than Arthas out there, but, rather, from an investment in the history prior to the Third War.

War of the Ancients was good shit. So a War of the Titans would probably be mind fucking awesome

Would be cool if the Caverns of Time had some WotA instances or raids

 

[echoshifting]

From what I gathered about Starcraft 2, the game will be released as 3 stand alone games. Each game will have branching campaign of 26-30 or so missions. There is also supposed to be a sub campaign in each game that will follow Zeratul. He is supposed to get a few missions in each game to tie the story lines together. It sounded like there would be no difference in the multiplayer aspect of the SC2 games. The single player games will also have unqiue units to the single player story.

The split thing has been discussed at length here and in a thread devoted to it, but wow I didn't realize the Protoss mini-campaign thing followed Zeratul. That's pretty cool. I figured they were just tutorial missions or something.

 

[traveler]

Hey I didn't say I empathized with him. His fall from grace and rise to power was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch. If you didn't like it that's fine, it's still a great story as far as I'm concerned.

Arthas aside, I've *been* to Northrend, I went to Outland before BC, I've never been to the Emerald Dream, therefore I'm less invested in it.

Yes, but you have encountered the Burning Legion. And since practically all the conflicts throughout the history have stemmed from their workings, (remember the Lich King was simply a tool for KJ) I'd think you'd have an obvious investment in seeing through to the final battle with them, no?

 

[HK-47]

The D3 class panel was great and they showed off classes and gameplay. The gameplay one was only 20 minutes and didn't cover anything that really wasn't already covered in the class panel. I don't even remember any real gameplay shown in the gameplay panel. It was very dissapointing after following the long and in depth Starcraft 2 panel. Skip the D3 gameplay if there is another showing, but the class panel is a good watch.

From what I gathered about Starcraft 2, the game will be released as 3 stand alone games. Each game will have branching campaign of 26-30 or so missions. There is also supposed to be a sub campaign in each game that will follow Zeratul. He is supposed to get a few missions in each game to tie the story lines together. It sounded like there would be no difference in the multiplayer aspect of the SC2 games. The single player games will also have unqiue units to the single player story.

Good shit indeed

 

[HK-47]

Yes, but you have encountered the Burning Legion. And since practically all the conflicts throughout the history have stemmed from their workings, (remember the Lich King was simply a tool for KJ) I'd think you'd have an obvious investment in seeing through to the final battle with them, no?

Return to Argus would be odd but tight...if it still exists

 

[echoshifting]

Yes, but you have encountered the Burning Legion. And since practically all the conflicts throughout the history have stemmed from their workings, (remember the Lich King was simply a tool for KJ) I'd think you'd have an obvious investment in seeing through to the final battle with them, no?

In a manner of speaking, I guess that's true. If they decide to focus on the Burning Legion again down the road I will be pretty excited about it. I'd be surprised if they did that for the next expansion, however.

 

[traveler]

War of the Ancients was good shit. So a War of the Titans would probably be mind fucking awesome

Would be cool if the Caverns of Time had some WotA instances or raids

Heh. Funny you say that. Saw this earlier today on Wowinsider:

Q: World of Warcraft is basically on top of the world -- it's far and above the biggest MMO out there, it could be the biggest game in the world, and obviously, your company has never been better and just keeps growing. So the last question is just, what haven't you done yet? What else does Blizzard want out of this game?

A: Oh wow. Well for me, I mean, as a player, there's always new stuff I want to do. Caverns of Time is one of my favorite things, so I want to see more Caverns of Time. There's a lot of areas in the world that have trails to further adventures, so like Grim Batol and what's going on there. The Hyjal zone, I'd like to do something with that. There's a lot of areas in the world that already exist that I'd really like to explore, and there's also the new ideas, we brought up new ideas for new expansions. Emerald Dream, what would that look like. Going back to some of the Ancients stuff from more of a lore perspective, seeing what that was like. Seeing the War of the Dragons, that would look good, that would be really cool. I think it's a huge world, so there's a lot of opportunities to find cool stuff.

Source: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-wow-insider-interviews-j-allen-brack/

 

[HK-47]

Heh. Funny you say that. Saw this earlier today on Wowinsider:



Source: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-wow-insider-interviews-j-allen-brack/

Expansions with Ancients and Dragons would indeed be nice.

 

[nelsonroyale]

holy shit at Diablo 3!!

when is it coming out!?!?!

 

[echoshifting]

holy shit at Diablo 3!!

when is it coming out!?!?!

I wish there was a "when it's done" gif

 

[HK-47]

I wish there was a "when it's done" gif

In three parts, one for each Prime Evil

 

[echoshifting]

In three parts, one for each Prime Evil

omg, you should be stricken down by god for even joking about it.

Honestly though, I think it's safe to say we are getting at least two expansions for DIII. In fact I'm pretty sure that's already been confirmed. It's not the same.

 

[HK-47]

omg, you should be stricken down by god for even joking about it.

:lol

Well its gonna happen for sure now. Blizz probably saw that post and their eyes went $_$

 

[HK-47]

omg, you should be stricken down by god for even joking about it.

Honestly though, I think it's safe to say we are getting at least two expansions for DIII. In fact I'm pretty sure that's already been confirmed. It's not the same.

Well the main game can be Diablo and then Mephisto and Baal for the expansions. Maybe even one for the Lesser Evils

 

[echoshifting]

Crazy to think the stars are aligning to bring us three Blizzard games in one year. I never thought that would happen, but I guess it's very possible that each of these games could produce some iteration of their product line in the same calendar year.

 

[Zzoram]

Well the main game can be Diablo and then Mephisto and Baal for the expansions. Maybe even one for the Lesser Evils

Are you guys forgetting Diablo 2? The expansion was to add the 3rd brother, so there is already precedent for this :lol

 

[HK-47]

Crazy to think the stars are aligning to bring us three Blizzard games in one year. I never thought that would happen, but I guess it's very possible that each of these games could produce some iteration of their product line in the same calendar year.

Will then there is that new MMO they have yet to reveal thats not based on an existing property.

They have done fantasy, sci fi, and religious mythology. Whats next?

 

[echoshifting]

Are you guys forgetting Diablo 2? The expansion was to add the 3rd brother, so there is already precedent for this :lol

Shit, I bet he's right then. :lol

 

[Comic]

Will then there is that new MMO they have yet to reveal thats not based on an existing property.

They have done fantasy, sci fi, and religious mythology. Whats next?

Urban Mythology with fantasy elements. Blizzard does Too Human? :lol

 

[HK-47]

Urban Mythology with fantasy elements. Blizzard does Too Human? :lol

Norse...or maybe medieval?

 

[Zzoram]

I don't know why they wouldn't do a Starcraft MMO.

The reason World of Warcraft was such a bit hit was because the Warcraft franchise had a huge global following, and Blizzard had made their name mean something to EVERY region in the world, not just East or West. That plus they made a better MMO than what was out there, and continued to improve on it, and make it more friendly to casuals and low end PCs.

With the soon to be released Starcraft II probably overtaking Broodwar and Frozen Throne to become the biggest e-Sport, wouldn't it make sense to leverage that brand power for their next MMO? It also offers a universe different enough from Warcraft to be appealing to all the burned out high-fantasy MMO people when it comes out in 2012.

 

[Darklord]

Wait I don't get it. Is Starcraft 2's single player now going to be Starcraft 2, 3 and 4 or will it be Starcraft 2, expansion 1, expansion 2?

 

[HK-47]

I don't know why they wouldn't do a Starcraft MMO.

The reason World of Warcraft was such a bit hit was because the Warcraft franchise had a huge global following, and Blizzard had made their name mean something to EVERY region in the world, not just East or West. That plus they made a better MMO than what was out there, and continued to improve on it, and make it more friendly to casuals and low end PCs.

With the soon to be released Starcraft II probably overtaking Broodwar and Frozen Throne to become the biggest e-Sport, wouldn't it make sense to leverage that brand power for their next MMO? It also offers a universe different enough from Warcraft to be appealing to all the burned out high-fantasy MMO people when it comes out in 2012.

They already said it doesnt have anything to do with existing properties. Those franchises started somewhere too, you know

 

[Comic]

I don't know why they wouldn't do a Starcraft MMO.

The reason World of Warcraft was such a bit hit was because the Warcraft franchise had a huge global following, and Blizzard had made their name mean something to EVERY region in the world, not just East or West. That plus they made a better MMO than what was out there, and continued to improve on it, and make it more friendly to casuals and low end PCs.

With the soon to be released Starcraft II probably overtaking Broodwar and Frozen Throne to become the biggest e-Sport, wouldn't it make sense to leverage that brand power for their next MMO? It also offers a universe different enough from Warcraft to be appealing to all the burned out high-fantasy MMO people when it comes out in 2012.

I agree, but at the same time, a new world from Blizzard is fairly exciting, something outside the Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo trio was something I had written off as not happening.

As long as it isn't some sort of kingdom hearts-style mashup of the three, at least.

 

[Zzoram]

Wait I don't get it. Is Starcraft 2's single player now going to be Starcraft 2, 3 and 4 or will it be Starcraft 2, expansion 1, expansion 2?

I think it's going to be more like Starcraft 2, Standalone Expansion 1, Standalone Expansion 2, and all of them will support multiplayer. It is so far unclear if all the multiplayer components are compatible with each other.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Just want to say....Blizzard fans are the best!!!

 

[Darklord]

I think it's going to be more like Starcraft 2, Standalone Expansion 1, Standalone Expansion 2, and all of them will support multiplayer. It is so far unclear if all the multiplayer components are compatible with each other.

Oh ok. They'll have to be compatible though to work in my opinion.

 

[HK-47]

I agree, but at the same time, a new world from Blizzard is fairly exciting, something outside the Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo trio was something I had written off as not happening.

As long as it isn't some sort of kingdom hearts-style mashup of the three, at least.

That would fucking rock. As you can tell from my avatar, I love crossovers!

 

[Zzoram]

Oh ok. They'll have to be compatible though to work in my opinion.

Ya, I think most people are hoping that too. That way the community isn't massively fragmented into 6 groups (A, B, C, AB, BC, AC) and the people who only care about multiplayer only need to buy 1 game. The people who like campaign can buy any or all of them.

 

[Darklord]

Ya, I think most people are hoping that too. That way the community isn't massively fragmented into 6 groups (A, B, C, AB, BC, AC) and the people who only care about multiplayer only need to buy 1 game. The people who like campaign can buy any or all of them.

It'll probably be like Dawn of War were if you buy just 1 version you miss out on some stuff like how you could buy Dark Crusade but not be able to use the other races.

 

[Comic]

It'll probably be like Dawn of War were if you buy just 1 version you miss out on some stuff like how you could buy Dark Crusade but not be able to use the other races.

Pretty sure they confirmed you'll be able to play all three races in multiplayer no matter what.

 

[Darklord]

Pretty sure they confirmed you'll be able to play all three races in multiplayer no matter what.

Yeah you will. I was just using the races as an example because that's how it was in Dawn of War. Maybe there will be sub-factions in the expansions? Who knows.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Hey I didn't say I empathized with him. His fall from grace and rise to power was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch. If you didn't like it that's fine, it's still a great story as far as I'm concerned.

Arthas aside, I've *been* to Northrend, I went to Outland before BC, I've never been to the Emerald Dream, therefore I'm less invested in it. If you guys want to be hyped for it that's cool, I'm sure I will be too when I see what they have in store. I just don't NEED to go there to feel like my WoW experience is complete.

whatever i just hope Arthas and Ner Zhul get a better end than Illidan geezus wtf did i just do for epics....

 

[firex]

It will likely target areas WoW doesn't go.. like consoles.

3 more pages to go in this topic, but fucking idiotic posts like this need to be loled at some more.

 

[Zzoram]

Yeah you will. I was just using the races as an example because that's how it was in Dawn of War. Maybe there will be sub-factions in the expansions? Who knows.

Nope.

Either those 2 other campaigns will leave the multiplayer the same, or they'll add 1 unit per race. They will not add factions, since that's a balance nightmare and Starcraft is about balance.

 

[Minsc]

I really hope they add units and 'tilesets' to the races with each expansion, I just love having more variety.

They could release a patch to add in the units for people without the expansion, which they didn't do before, or simply shut off the multi to people who are too cheap to get the expansions, which wouldn't bother me the least, because as far as I'm concerned, if you play Blizzard games without the expansions, you're playing them wrong.

These are the two cleanest options, and I guess if they don't add anything to multiplayer with the releases that'd work too, but that's not really like them, I doubt that will be the case. Blizzard's expansions have always brought new things in to multiplayer.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/06/tigole-blizz-wants-to-bring-bgs-back-baby/

Blizzard would like to make BG content that "could be of higher quality with a higher degree of accessibility." They're still working on that competitive BG idea, and they want the focus to go back to the solid Horde vs. Alliance idea that's at the foundation of Warcraft.

Additionally, they're planning to let us queue up for the BGs from anywhere in the world (which, no doubt, would increase participation from both factions), and Tigole also suggests that eventually they may offer XP through battlegrounds, giving players yet another way to level up (twinks may not like that suggestion, but these changes are a long way off anyway).

This last change there -- offering players a way to level up with PvP -- is seen by many forumgoers as a direct stab at Warhammer Online. That game makes a big deal out of offering battleground-style PvP, and letting players choose it as a way to completely avoid PvE and earn XP and levels.

Warhammer owned?

I really hope they add units and 'tilesets' to the races with each expansion, I just love having more variety.

They could release a patch to add in the units for people without the expansion, which they didn't do before, or simply shut off the multi to people who are too cheap to get the expansions, which wouldn't bother me the least, because as far as I'm concerned, if you play Blizzard games without the expansions, you're playing them wrong.

These are the two cleanest options, and I guess if they don't add anything to multiplayer with the releases that'd work too, but that's not really like them, I doubt that will be the case. Blizzard's expansions have always brought new things in to multiplayer.

I say just patch in the new multiplayer units for free, most people will prolly buy all 3 anyway. Exclusive tiles sets would be cool tho

 

[Kintaro]

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/06/tigole-blizz-wants-to-bring-bgs-back-baby/

Warhammer owned?

More like "about god damned time".

 

[anaron]

:lol

 

[Blackface]

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/06/tigole-blizz-wants-to-bring-bgs-back-baby/



Warhammer owned?




I say just patch in the new multiplayer units for free, most people will prolly buy all 3 anyway. Exclusive tiles sets would be cool tho

It was smart of blizzard to steal those features from Warhammer, as they are amazing, and something that should have been in the game for a long time.

However, they have a long way. I am talking, long long long long long way to go before there BG's are anything comparable to those on Warhammer. Also, you get XP and Renown (a substantial amount) for doing world pvp, and taking world objectives. Not just BG'(scenarios) in war.

However, I am extremely glad they are shifting the focus back to BG's and the Horde Vs Alliance war. I quit WoW after playing four years because I was burned out on raiding, and tired of doing the same boring BG's repeatedly, and getting nothing of value for it.

Arena was fun, until getting a 2k+ team could be done with my eyes closed because of class make up.

I stopped playing WoW (after getting tired of raiding), for the same reasons I don't play CS for 6 hours a day anymore. Just got to burned out on the same thing with no gain.

So hopefully Blizzard fixes that, and I know I will be back, along with some people from my clan.

 

[HK-47]

It was smart of blizzard to steal those features from Warhammer, as they are amazing, and something that should have been in the game for a long time.

However, they have a long way. I am talking, long long long long long way to go before there BG's are anything comparable to those on Warhammer. Also, you get XP and Renown (a substantial amount) for doing world pvp, and taking world objectives. Not just BG'(scenarios) in war.

However, I am extremely glad they are shifting the focus back to BG's and the Horde Vs Alliance war. I quit WoW after playing four years because I was burned out on raiding, and tired of doing the same boring BG's repeatedly, and getting nothing of value for it.

Arena was fun, until getting a 2k+ team could be done with my eyes closed because of class make up.

I stopped playing WoW (after getting tired of raiding), for the same reasons I don't play CS for 6 hours a day anymore. Just got to burned out on the same thing with no gain.

So hopefully Blizzard fixes that, and I know I will be back, along with some people from my clan.

They need to bring back World PVP. I heard BGs and dishonorable kills pretty much destroyed it

 

[maniac-kun]

They need to bring back World PVP. I heard BGs and dishonorable kills pretty much destroyed it

dishonorable kills arent in the game anymore