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Blizzcon 2008
- Thread starter maniac-kun
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aznpxdd said:I don't think Blizzard is stupid enough to fuck with their fanbase by putting extra multiplayer units into the other chapters.
They did it with Brood War, didnt they?
Jenga said:Tentative price is $59.99 for each one.
What? No way. Are they seriously next-gen-ning the price points now? :lol
Was Brood War full price? And was Brood War followed by another full price expansion soon after?HK-47 said:They did it with Brood War, didnt they?
Not attacking you, just making a point how silly this is. I pray to God Blizzard hears us and knocks down the price to something tolerable.
HK-47 said:They did it with Brood War, didnt they?
Nobody considered Frozen Throne or Brood War fucking over customers. In fact, I remember everyone I knew who played PC games drooling over our pre-order slips in line before the mall EB opened. If there was another expansion for either of those games, we all would've rushed to stores to pre-order them as well.
The fact is, if they had done 10 missions per race, and then announced the expansions later filling in the rest of the missions to the same total as this planned Trilogy has, the reception would've been overwhelming glee.
Kintaro said:What? No way. Are they seriously next-gen-ning the price points now? :lol
Pricing of the game, and the expansions has not been announced. That is all speculation. Retailers are listing it as $60 but they did that for Spore too, which came out at $50.
Jenga said:Was Brood War full price? And was Brood War followed by another full price expansion soon after?
Not attacking you, just making a point how silly this is. I pray to God Blizzard hears us and knocks down the price to something tolerable.
Yeah I agree with that. Unless there is sooo much new content in each pack
Zzoram said:Pricing of the game, and the expansions has not been announced. That is all speculation. Retailers are listing it as $60 but they did that for Spore too, which came out at $50.
Yeah. WotLK is $40 isnt it? Unless the amount of new shit in each pack is staggering (which could be) I dont see them going over this line
From the Shacknews article.
I don't even know how someone can jump to the "every game 60$!!" conclusion.....
Rob Pardo said:"[The second and third games] will be like expansion packs, but we really want them to feel like standalone products,"
I don't even know how someone can jump to the "every game 60$!!" conclusion.....
HK-47 said:Yeah. WotLK is $40 isnt it? Unless the amount of new shit in each pack is staggering (which could be) I dont see them going over this line
If they sell Starcraft II Terran as $50 and the expansions at $40 ~9 months apart, that's totally cool.
Remember, the game has multiplayer that might last 10+ years like the original. It will have an even BETTER map editor than Warcraft 3 did, so who knows what could come from that (Tower Defense and DOTA are entire genres that spawned from Blizzard map editors, and since then retail games have been developed and sold in those genres).
voodoopanda
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I think the problem is announcing it all right now. After a year or so of everyone playing SC2 to death, there would probably be quite a lot of people who'd wanna buy a new campaign + units + whatever, just like with past expansions.
Jenga said:Was Brood War full price? And was Brood War followed by another full price expansion soon after?
Not attacking you, just making a point how silly this is. I pray to God Blizzard hears us and knocks down the price to something tolerable.
Was Brood War a full retail game?
Wait now it's understandable. Brood War was OK because it was just one expansion. Now there are plans for TWO. That's DOUBLE. OUTRAGE!
It's unheard of for a Blizzard product to receive two expansions. They have never done it.
No RTS has EVER done it.
Zzoram said:Pointing out how Blizzard has a history of expansion packs that are essentially required to stay up to date with the online community. This announcement was a bit surprising, but not at all out of the ordinary.
$30 expansions aren't so bad, but if Blizzard is claiming that each one is a standalone game, yet at the same time forcing us to buy each one to keep up with the online community... that's pretty shitty. Then the term "standalone" starts looking a lot more like "a poor excuse to charge full price".
However we have next to no info on this yet, so I'll save my worrying. According the the shacknews article Blizzard said "nothing has changed for the multiplayer plans" so I guess we'll see what happens.
They just said $59.99 was the Tentative pricing point. Besides a full campaign, another good way to make these expansions feel like "stand-alone products" is to charge the same as a "stand alone product"Won said:From the Shacknews article.
I don't even know how someone can jump to the "every game 60$!!" conclusion.....
Mindlog said:Was Brood War a full retail game?
Wait now it's understandable. Brood War was OK because it was just one expansion. Now there are plans for TWO. That's DOUBLE. OUTRAGE!
It's unheard of for a Blizzard product to receive to expansions. They have never done it.
No RTS has EVER done it.
Starcraft is All 3 Races. Now suddenly we have to pay per race. Thats not acceptable change. Thats money whoring
laserbeam said:So Blizzard wants us to pay 120-180 Dollars to get the full Starcraft 2 Game.
You have never bought an expansion pack?
laserbeam said:Starcraft is All 3 Races. Now suddenly we have to pay per race. Thats not acceptable change. Thats money whoring
Starcraft 2 also has all 3 races......
You're ignoring the fucking problem. I have absolutely no problem with expansion packs, I DO have a problem charging full fucking price with each one. The only way we can make Blizzard understand the $59.99 plan sucks, is to tell them. Hell, if they can hear those guys bitch about how colorful Diablo III is, they'll definitely hear this. Just calmly saying "okay I'll pay $150+ that's alright baby" won't make them see how stupid it is.Mindlog said:Brood War was OK because it was just one expansion. Now there are plans for TWO. That's DOUBLE. OUTRAGE!
It's unheard of for a Blizzard product to receive to expansions. They have never done it.
No RTS has EVER done it.
Mindlog said:Was Brood War a full retail game?
Wait now it's understandable. Brood War was OK because it was just one expansion. Now there are plans for TWO. That's DOUBLE. OUTRAGE!
It's unheard of for a Blizzard product to receive two expansions. They have never done it.
No RTS has EVER done it.
I know you're being sarcastic, but I'm using this as an example:
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War (Developed by Relic of CoH fame)
THREE expansion packs
Winter Assault, Dark Crusade and Soulstorm
Dreavus said:$30 expansions aren't so bad, but if Blizzard is claiming that each one is a standalone game, yet at the same time forcing us to buy each one to keep up with the online community... that's pretty shitty. Then the term "standalone" starts looking a lot more like "a poor excuse to charge full price".
However we have next to no info on this yet, so I'll save my worrying. According the the shacknews article Blizzard said "nothing has changed for the multiplayer plans" so I guess we'll see what happens.
Or they could cut down the campaign for each race to 10 missions each and have two more expansion packs with added content anyways. 30 missions for each sounds awesome, especially since I love the lore of Starcraft.
voodoopanda
Member
All 3 races are gunna be there for multiplayer when SC2 comes out.
Basically, what it sounds like to me, it'll be something like instead of 3 campaigns for each race of 10 missions each, there's going to be 30 missions for one race, full of cutscenes and movies. The first game has the 30 for Terran, the next expansion has 30 Zerg and the final one will have 30 Protoss. They'll probably add new units and stuff too, if its anything like past expansions.
All numbers I used were just examples, no idea how many missions the games will actually have.
Also I wanna know where Blizz said each one is gunna cost $59.99? So far, I haven't heard a peep out of them as far as price. Usually new Blizz games are 50$ with expansions being 30-40$. Right now, pricing is all a guessing game as far as I've seen.
Basically, what it sounds like to me, it'll be something like instead of 3 campaigns for each race of 10 missions each, there's going to be 30 missions for one race, full of cutscenes and movies. The first game has the 30 for Terran, the next expansion has 30 Zerg and the final one will have 30 Protoss. They'll probably add new units and stuff too, if its anything like past expansions.
All numbers I used were just examples, no idea how many missions the games will actually have.
Also I wanna know where Blizz said each one is gunna cost $59.99? So far, I haven't heard a peep out of them as far as price. Usually new Blizz games are 50$ with expansions being 30-40$. Right now, pricing is all a guessing game as far as I've seen.
HK-47 said:Or they could cut down the campaign for each race to 10 missions each and have two more expansion packs with added content anyways. 30 missions for each sounds awesome, especially since I love the lore of Starcraft.
I think the reason they didn't do 10missions per race, then beef them all up to 30 over 2 expansions packs is because the campaigns are designed to be very dramatically different. They may not even know how they want to do the other campaigns yet, and since they will be so different (Raynor wandering around ship vs ???) it may be much easier to just finish 1 race at a time.
Jenga said:You're ignoring the fucking problem. I have absolutely no problem with expansion packs, I DO have a problem charging full fucking price with each one. The only way we can make Blizzard understand the $59.99 plan sucks, is to tell them. Hell, if they can hear those guys bitch about how colorful Diablo III is, they'll definitely hear this. Just calmly saying "okay I'll pay $150+ that's alright baby" won't make them see how stupid it is.
You dont even know if there is a plan. We dont have reliable info yet. You are cruising at 120 mph to Jump to Conclusions City at this point.
laserbeam said:Starcraft is All 3 Races. Now suddenly we have to pay per race. Thats not acceptable change. Thats money whoring
That's fine if you want to apply the similar models. You could say that you want an appropriately reduced Terran campaign with some more Zerg and Protoss action. Hypothetically: (because of course we don't know) What IF the Terran campaign is really as fleshed out as they are saying? What if the ONE Terran campaign is as fully developed as the three separate campaigns in SC? Is that still not OK? Should they delay the game until all 3 stories have 10 missions worth of content and release that? Does it make a difference in the long run if we still end up with ~30 missions for each race spread over the game and two 'expansions'?
However, it is ignoring the fact that Dawn of War released with 1 single player campaign for 1 of the 4 factions. Each subsequent expansion had limited single player content and was REQUIRED in order to use the races in multiplayer.
In all honesty I don't really care. I'm not going to purchase SC2 for the campaign anyway. If Blizzard did something as silly as massively screwing over multiplayer with each expansion (DoW style) I probably wouldn't keep up with them.
I did play DoW, I have all of the expansions except Soulstorm :] Same with CoH. The lack of a new CoH retail patch is really killing it for me :[
Jenga said:You're ignoring the fucking problem. I have absolutely no problem with expansion packs, I DO have a problem charging full fucking price with each one. The only way we can make Blizzard understand the $59.99 plan sucks, is to tell them. Hell, if they can hear those guys bitch about how colorful Diablo III is, they'll definitely hear this. Just calmly saying "okay I'll pay $150+ that's alright baby" won't make them see how stupid it is.
and if I'm not keeping up with them it doesn't mean I will be pirating them either LOL but I have an excuse now! Piracy is consumer advocacy!
Jenga said:You're ignoring the fucking problem. I have absolutely no problem with expansion packs, I DO have a problem charging full fucking price with each one. The only way we can make Blizzard understand the $59.99 plan sucks, is to tell them. Hell, if they can hear those guys bitch about how colorful Diablo III is, they'll definitely hear this. Just calmly saying "okay I'll pay $150+ that's alright baby" won't make them see how stupid it is.
If I really get a full new campaign, then I will be happy to pay full price for it.
The question here is how it works out for multiplayer and I didn't read anything about that yet.
laserbeam said:Starcraft is All 3 Races. Now suddenly we have to pay per race. Thats not acceptable change. Thats money whoring
Bingo.
This is my problem with this. Bah. This whole thing has made me get dressed again. Fuck.
maniac-kun
Member
as i understand it:Won said:If I really get a full new campaign, then I will be happy to pay full price for it.
The question here is how it works out for multiplayer and I didn't read anything about that yet.
you will have all 3 races in mp
when you buy exp p. 1 you will be able to play with all people who own epx. pack1 because of added units and stuff and with the vanilla guys
when you own exp. pack 2 you will be able to play witht the guys from exp- pack 2 with the other new units and with the otherguys without the new units form pack 2 but with the units from pack 1 with the pack 1 guys and vanilla with the vanilla guys
but that would mean less profit for the guys that only care for the multiplayerZzoram said:To be fair, they haven't said how multiplayer will be updated. There is the tiny possiblity that all games will get patched to have compatible multiplayer, so the campaigns are optional. Even if they were, I think most of us would get them anyways.
the guys have stockholders after all
Zzoram said:I think they'll clarify the situation soon enough, they don't want to let misinformation hurt the PR for this game.
Thats what I'm waiting for, but GAF loves to jump to conclusions
maniac-kun said:as i understand it:
you will have all 3 races in mp
when you buy exp p. 1 you will be able to play with all people who own epx. pack1 because of added units and stuff and with the vanilla guys
when you own exp. pack 2 you will be able to play witht the guys from exp- pack 2 with the other new units and with the otherguys without the new units form pack 2 but with the units from pack 1 with the pack 1 guys and vanilla with the vanilla guys
To be fair, they haven't said how multiplayer will be updated. There is the tiny possiblity that all games will get patched to have compatible multiplayer, so the campaigns are optional. Even if they were, I think most of us would get them anyways.
Belfast said:As I understand it, you'll be able to play multiplayer with ALL races no matter which pack you have, but to play the single-player campaigns of the others, you'll need to buy them individually.
Oh wow. Interest in SC2 is declining because of this bullshit. I guess without it bieng a MMORPG they had to find another way to squeeze extra money out of the fans...
HK-47 said:Thats what I'm waiting for, but GAF loves to jump to conclusions
Reminds me of the "Fallout 3 pirated 3 weeks before release" response of "PC gaming is dead", and the correction of "Fallout 3 Xbox 360 pirated 3 weeks before release"
huhMindlog said:and if I'm not keeping up with them it doesn't mean I will be pirating them either LOL but I have an excuse now! Piracy is consumer advocacy!
I should have added an :awesome: face to show my sarcasm in that post
DancingJesus
Banned
What the fuck is this garbage? Fuck You Blizzard. Seriously
Hero said:Starcraft 2 trilogy? If that means I can play multiplayer sooner than later, I'm all for it.
Ya, as much as I love Broodwar, I'm ready for Starcraft II ASAP.
Each expansion also added 1-2 races. I don't think the situation is comparable.Mindlog said:However, it is ignoring the fact that Dawn of War released with 1 single player campaign for 1 of the 4 factions. Each subsequent expansion had limited single player content and was REQUIRED in order to use the races in multiplayer.
If the campaigns are really all that great, I don't have a problem with this as long as the expansion are priced at standard PC game expansion prices. If they try to charge $60 for each of the 3 parts they can fuck off.
Zzoram said:To be fair, they haven't said how multiplayer will be updated. There is the tiny possiblity that all games will get patched to have compatible multiplayer, so the campaigns are optional. Even if they were, I think most of us would get them anyways.
*ding ding ding*
Why did I ask about Dawn of War? Because they did it that way. Not that most of us still would buy all 3 campaigns. I mean, people (like me) bought all parts of DoW and the campaigns were merely meh -.-
Durante said:Each expansion also added 1-2 races. I don't think the situation is comparable.
If the campaigns are really all that great, I don't have a problem with this as long as the expansion are priced at standard PC game expansion prices. If they try to charge $60 for each of the 3 parts they can fuck off.
First off, we don't know ANYTHING yet. 2nd... the expansions in DoW were also fixing stuff that a regular patch should have months ago. There is a huge community maintained list and most of the stuff would be EASY.
Compare that to Blizzards patching and you know why I don't care for more races, I'd rather have 2 new units per update and a steady, good support.
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=194829
Bug list, half of them with fixes. Where's the patch, Relic!???
maniac-kun
Member
this is not dawn of war this is starcraft 2 and its the same system like they did every time with all blizzard games since diablo 1 only that they have 2 exp. packs
Durante said:Each expansion also added 1-2 races. I don't think the situation is comparable.
If the campaigns are really all that great, I don't have a problem with this as long as the expansion are priced at standard PC game expansion prices. If they try to charge $60 for each of the 3 parts they can fuck off.
Which is why earlier I called it the opposite of the DoW model :] Blizzard is not allowed to follow the DoW model in lock step. It would make Starcraft 2 utterly useless compared to Starcraft as a competitive multiplayer game.
They haven't even attempted to charge $60 for the first game :lol
Mindlog said:Which is why earlier I called it the opposite of the DoW model :] Blizzard is not allowed to follow the DoW model in lock step. It would make Starcraft 2 utterly useless compared to Starcraft as a competitive multiplayer game.
They haven't even attempted to charge $60 for the first game :lol
You wouldnt know that by reading this thread
They have supported Starcraft Broodwar through patches and Battle.net servers for over 10 years without making any more money. Nowadays, people are willing to pay $60 for a console game lasting 12 hours. People who really play Starcraft Broodwar have played 1000s of hours. Starcraft 2 probably cost an incredible amount to produce and market, and they will have to support it potentially for 10+ years as well. Getting 1 more expansion pack worth of money this time around is hardly a rip off.
HK-47 said:You wouldnt know that by reading this thread
Pretty much.
Really the 'scariest' part for me is Blizzard already knows they want at least two expansions. IMHO, the current campaign setup is an excellent way to differentiate the products in lieu of massive multiplayer changes. Massive multiplayer changes are what I 'fear' most from this kind of pre-planned expansion philosophy. It really destroys the delicate RTS balance that develops over time. Any worries are tempered by Starcraft's incredibly outstanding competitive track record.
but we really don't know much yet so my panties are still comfortably in place
maniac-kun
Member
the balance of sc that everyone loved came with broodwarMindlog said:Pretty much.
Really the 'scariest' part for me is Blizzard already knows they want at least two expansions. IMHO, the current campaign setup is an excellent way to differentiate the products in lieu of massive multiplayer changes. Massive multiplayer changes are what I 'fear' most from this kind of pre-planned expansion philosophy. It really shits on the delicate RTS balance that develops over time. Any worries are tempered by Starcraft's incredibly outstanding competitive track record.
but we really don't know much yet so my panties are still comfortably in place