Freezasaurus
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I do that as well, except I farm the bloodbags outside of Cainhurst.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
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I do that as well, except I farm the bloodbags outside of Cainhurst.
I managed that fight with 35 Vit on NG+. Banged my head against the wall for a while but it is definitely doable at that Vit.
I really doubt that and IMO it feels the same as before.
Thank you, i endep up maximizing the pizza cutter and its way stronger with gems than the hunters axe, can anyone tell me if i gather the insight, i can buy another blood rock?
Good to know, thanks.
I sometimes regret doing a fast glass canon in moments like these (I spent most of my NG with 1/3 more end than vit), but oh well, that's how I like to play it. Will surely bang my head against a wall a couple of times too though...
You'll need 60 insights to buy a blood rock in the insight shop. So go gather them insights if you want it.
DrunkShogun
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What's a good cap on vitality for new game plus. Got 40 40 for skill bloodtinge and 30 vitality.
Use the beds (or whatever) and walls to your advantage. The melee one can be cornered, and the beds are useful in separating him and the spellcaster.
That really depends on how you play.
I was doing fine in NG+ with 28 Vit IIRC (... till I started the DLC), up to Amelia. I also just went through to the first shortcut in the forest (to unlock Valtr) without much problems. Though a couple missed dodges means death, so you have to play dodgy (so high endurance is nice to have).
Freezasaurus
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I can't put this down until I kill Laurence. 
I figured out that like the Cleric Beast, he's a lot more manageable if you don't lock onto him. Are there any runes that are especilly helpful against him? Would physical damage or fire damage reduction be more helpful?
I figured out that like the Cleric Beast, he's a lot more manageable if you don't lock onto him. Are there any runes that are especilly helpful against him? Would physical damage or fire damage reduction be more helpful?
Good tip, did it!
You're going to want that 50 vitality.
Freezasaurus
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I think mine is up to 61.
Melchiah
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Was just killed by another further on from the first. Damn they're hard to parry. This is going to take some practise.
I can't put this down until I kill Laurence.
I figured out that like the Cleric Beast, he's a lot more manageable if you don't lock onto him. Are there any runes that are especilly helpful against him? Would physical damage or fire damage reduction be more helpful?
I used both, rally rune, and Charred attire. Bolt Paper and Cane's whip form for offense. Any serrated weapon is probably a plus.
GamingOblivion
Banned
Closer to 110, since you can fight people who refuse to go higher in level for PvP, but 120 is another close second.
Freezasaurus
Member
I think I'm doing okay. I got him down to a third of his HP once. I died just as he changed forms. Some of his attacks are a tad unpredictable. Sometimes the one where he sweeps with his left arm first leads to a really dangerous combo, and I sometimes end up being near him when he initiates it. >.<
That, and the one where he turns around and leaps at you when you're behind him. Those seem to be the two main ones that do me in.
DrunkShogun
Member
Thanks for the response. I'm using stamina runes on my character so I'm doing alright with stamina. I'm pretty evasive with my character so I guess I will prioritise any levelling up to vitality as I go through the game.
Melchiah
Member
Yeah, the last phase is challenging. The NPC helper that accompanied me always died pretty soon after it started. Considering I emptied my supply of Blood Vials every time I reached the finishing line, you might also look into equipping a rune that lets you carry more of them.
GamingOblivion
Banned
No way. It's difficult, sure, but the attacks are definitely telegraphed enough.
Beat
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Orphan of Kos. I just told myself that I couldn't continue the DLC, cleared my head, and somehow I kicked his ass. His final stage is still BS though because of the camera/lock-on being near useless.
So I was supposed to give brain fluid to that lady in the research hall? I killed those body-less heads and they didn't drop anything, so I assumed the item wasn't in the area. EDIT: Oh it's a specific one? That's not fair, how I was supposed to know that there was a unique.
So I was supposed to give brain fluid to that lady in the research hall? I killed those body-less heads and they didn't drop anything, so I assumed the item wasn't in the area. EDIT: Oh it's a specific one? That's not fair, how I was supposed to know that there was a unique.
I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and make a Simon's Bowblade-only build, I'm really not looking forward to 20 more hours of chalice dungeon farming for the 27.2% gems.
Damn it FROM, just patch those gems in NG+, why do we need to farm the most boring boss ever 100 times just to get good equipment?
Damn it FROM, just patch those gems in NG+, why do we need to farm the most boring boss ever 100 times just to get good equipment?
GamingOblivion
Banned
Will you let us know what your build ends up being? I copied your Lady Maria build and fucking love it lol
A million people asked this already, I don't think I saw it in the OP.
Beat game first and come back and do DLC?
Start a new game and just beat DLC and continue on with game?
Beat game, start new game plus and go play DLC?
I don't know what's going on. If the question has already been answered somewhere else please link.
Beat game first and come back and do DLC?
Start a new game and just beat DLC and continue on with game?
Beat game, start new game plus and go play DLC?
I don't know what's going on. If the question has already been answered somewhere else please link.
Orochinagis
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NG+ DLC hits pretty hard compared to NG DLC. some found the experience annoying
He ain't that bad but I will say he has too much hp and his first phase is really annoying. Second phase is amazing and really fun to fight against.
Can't say I disagree. Farming the gems to me is the worst grind from has ever put in a souls game. Really hope they rework the entire gem system if they do Bloodborne 2.
Probably best to get to the end of the game but don't beat it and then go do the dlc and then beat the game after your done with the dlc.
Best way to tackle this DLC IMO is to go through the game normal and when you get to the point of no return in the end game (check online to see what that is, it's after you beat the Wet Nurse) you then start the DLC. Then you beat the actual final boss of the game.
DLC is honestly end game status.
I like his move set but the fight goes on WAY too long.
Orochinagis
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The best ones are tied to root chalices or just have random stats on the main story so you have to grind for find one suitable for your weapon, triangle gems are quite rare too
Honestly, if you sport all three of the Eye Runes alongside
Milkweed
I was able to get the Physical ATK UP 27.2% with Stamina Increase(s), on two weapons (6 total gems) in about 6-8 hours of farming over the course of a week.
I just use the same glyphs repeatedly and pray to RNGesus.
For the record, I rather prefer the stamina increase effect as opposed to the weapon durability down or Beast/Kin damage decreases. IMO, having maximum output, with limitations to my chained-attacks is a small price to pay when I don't have to compromise worrying which enemies I'm up against.
Will do, not sure how viable the bow only is in PvP, but I'll give you guys an update once I get there.
The best gems are in depth five all rites chalice dungeons, dropped by merciless watchers, they're a very easy boss, but because the best blood gems are cursed ones, they always drop gems with shitty negative effects like deplete HP or ATK down, if you're lucky and they drop a stamina down negative that gem may or may not have the highest possible increase attack % (the highest is 27.2%).
Unless the RNG gods really love you, it's going to take you ~20 hours of beating the same boss over and over to get three gems with desirable negative effects.
DoubleTake
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I think 20 hours is a bit of an over-exaggeration. Maybe 5-6 hours if youre really hell bent on getting all 27.2 with stamina down. But for someone content with 26.3s or Kin/beast down curses. Now getting to the point of being able to even farm then is around 5-6 more hours of chalice dungeons. And thats if you know how to speedrun them.
Bowblade with concentration on BT is basically just a better gun build. Very viable in PVP and if you have decent Skill you can do decent damage with that and then finish enemy off with arrows.
To be honest there is very little farming required for good gems. I have bunch of +20% - +26% gems with decent curses and I have only done one Root Chalice. Having all gems to be +27% doesn't seem to be worth the investment since we are talking about >100 damage difference per hit at most.
Melchiah
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If you go past Mergo's Wet Nurse you'll miss some DLC dialogue in the dream though, but nothing major.
It's all RNG-based, it can even take exactly 3 tries if you're the luckiest person on Earth, or it can take 100 hours if you're extremely unlucky.
On my last character (the Lady Maria cosplay), it took me about 20 hours, but I was watching YouTube/Twitch the entire time and I took a few breaks here and there, I can't imagine sitting there focusing on Merciless Watchers for anything more than half an hour, so it might take less time if you're really concentrating.
Not that they took that long of a time anyway, I used 2 Clawmark runes, so they were going down with two Viscerals, and the gun guy dies with two full stamina combos, they can be beaten in 1-2 minutes at most, usually less.
It's much higher than that, I used it on one of my skill builds with minimum Bloodtinge and it was doing very good damage with base level gems, at +10 it has S Bloodtinge scaling, so I imagine it can get very powerful.
The difference between 20% and 27.2% is HUGE, it may not look that way because the difference in raw percentage numbers is small (20 to 27 does look small on the surface), but blood gems stack multiplicatively, there's a reason people go through the trouble of getting the Lost Chikage because of one circular slot giving you the possibility of increasing blood damage % to 31.5, and that's just ONE slot.
I can show you in pictures form how much of a difference it is, but I'm not at home right now.
Nothing1016
Member
20 tries later and learning to always go left and dodge in, finally beat Ludwig. Bought the DLC today and am gonna go through it on NG++ and Level 128
Bought the DLC today and am gonna go through it on NG++ and Level 128At 50 BT I can get 300-400 out of non charged shots and 800-900 with charged shots. Destroys everything in PvE easily and in PvP kills everyone pretty fast or atleast make them spend lot of vials.
For example with +10 Kirkhammer has around 640 damage with +20% gems based on what status screen tells and 720 damage with +27% gems. So if I have +24% gems that you get pretty easily just by going through all regular Chalices I don't see any need for farming for hours to get +9% more damage.
edit.
Actually how do those gems stack? Makes a small difference if you add the percents together and then multiply it to base damage or if you multiply all the percents separately with base damage.
640 is what I get from the Rakuya with 27.2% gems, so my Rakuya can hit as hard as your Kirkhammer, so in PvP you have no chance against a well gemed Rakuya or BoM unless you use 27.2% gems yourself as the Rakuya hits significantly faster while dealing the same damage.
They stack multiplicatively, which is why the difference gets bigger the more gems you use.
Essentially, the same way health and stamina runes stack.
Ok, so since yestterday I have this strange bug: I can go online when I start the game, but as soon as I load my save, I get the prompt "was disconnected, restarting game". What's up with that?
I quit the game normally through settings -> exit game, then close the game, then power of the PS4 (not standby mode) every time...
I quit the game normally through settings -> exit game, then close the game, then power of the PS4 (not standby mode) every time...
Ahh well then. But still with my gems that are 24% - 26% get me 780 damage where as with all 27% gems it would be 820 so not that big of a difference and you get those gems without having to farm at all. And as for PvP it doesn't matter how much more faster weapon you have as long as I can get one hit in and then just punish any mistake with cannon. That has killed every invader and host I've tried it on.
780 to 820 is a very decent increase especially if you add the charge attack or other special attack multipliers. The Kirkhammer's charged attack has a x3 charged attack multiplier.
I don't think it is big enough change for me to start farming for hours.
I understand, not everyone is as obsessive as I am haha.