I have already accepted that, which is why I don't own a Playstation 5. I still can say, though, that I think it is quite easy for Sony to "lead" that specific (and big) niche of the market, if their main competitor, Microsoft, have self-sabotaged themselves into the ground. If you count Nintendo as a competitor, then they're not leading.By definition that cannot be true because if it was easy for everyone it'd be musical chairs for the top-spot.
I think you need to accept that maybe your interests no longer are aligned with the majority of the market, and therefore your likes and dislikes are decreasingly relevant to the big picture.
Its like the contention that this is the "worst" Playstation generation ever and the management team needs replacing despite it returning the group's best-ever financials... Just because your criteria for "success" are not the ones being met it doesn't mean a thing when the KPI the corporation/markets are relying upon show as positive.
Sony is lucky that MS is even more incompetent than the current Playstation management. Which is quite a feat
It sold more than 15 million units. A game that popular pushes systems.The name Spider-Man maybe, but i don't think GoW 2 was. The system was a GoW 2 seller would be more fitting.
How can it push anything when said system was constantly sold out until February/March 2023? The system would have been sold out even if it came with a used condom.It sold more than 15 million units. A game that popular pushes systems.
People buying a system do it because they want to play games on it.How can it push anything when said system was constantly sold out until February/March 2023? The system would have been sold out even if it came with a used condom.
So that leaves with with even more incompetence in AMDYeah blame GTAVI, not the Sony braindead troglodytes that ruined an entire console generation with a ridiculously huge investment in live service slop that bit them in the ass
I'm so done with consoles man, they're run either by obnoxious greedy fucks like Nintendo or morons who don't even understand gaming like Sony and Microsoft
Yeah poor PlayStation plans to have the biggest year of profits this year![]()
nintendos releese 1 first party games a monthsSony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
True, but fanboys will defend anything coming from the brand, no matter how bad it's for them as consumersnintendos releese 1 first party games a months
The hell are you talking about? This article was based on the financial report that shows them forecasting their highest profit year everSony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
Except. PS has never needed their 1st party. They've always been reliant on 3rd party.They don't have any first party games selling their consoles right now and are dependant of third party software. This is the main problem here. If only they didn't put billions and years of game dev in pursuit of nothingness.
That's really kinda sad that the industry is (seemingly) banking on one single game to prop up their machines...yes, it's GTA, but damn you'd think these companies would have OTHER compelling software to say, "Hey this game is awesome! Buy our machine to play it!"
Kinda like what Nintendo does.
Sony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
Yeah apparently revenue filling shareholders pockets is some kind of victory for gamersSony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
I guess you like it better when companies result to $80 games to make up for smaller user-bases & inflationYeah apparently revenue filling shareholders pockets is some kind of victory for gamers
The more dominant a corporation becomes, the worse the situation will get for gamers.Yeah apparently revenue filling shareholders pockets is some kind of victory for gamers
Nah, man. That's the fanboys. Don't group us up with them. They become hostile or aggressive to any kind of fair critique at PS. Some of us want them to do better than they currently are with their output.Sony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
I get where you're coming from, and there's truth in the idea that consoles are seen as long-term investments, especially when people are cutting back on other kinds of entertainment. But I think there's another side to this.The GTA comment is telling when combined with the comments around US tariffs.
"We're reliant on GTAVI as a system seller…"
Said in the same breath as…
"We may need to put the console prices up in response to tariffs…"
There's a direct inverse causality here, as a subtext to the article; where they'll be pushing themselves into a position of having to rely on GTA-like system sellers to shift console units, because they box will be too expensive.
This a dumb fucking strategy…
MS doesn't care about hardware, and as such, scaled its prices (all over the world btw) to account for the US tariff landscape, knowing hardware sales would slow as a result. They just don't care because it's all about Xbox everywhere and so long as they can sell games and they aren't losing money on boxes they don't care if HW sales decline further than they already are.
Sony are in a leading position and can't afford to take this route.
They should be doing the opposite.
CUT console prices and watch boxes fly off shelves, watch attach rates soar and software sales drive into the stratosphere.
When cost of living is high, consumers will spend less on entertainment and luxury more broadly. But a console is a one-in-ten-years entertainment "investment" that sets them up for engagement, which they now have a lot more time for, because they're cutting back on going out drinking, restaurants, cinema, etc etc.
In terms of pure entertainment value-for-money, the console market should remain buoyant through this macroeconomic epoch, so they should be maximising their chances to push PS5 to take off and do PS2 sales numbers, not trying to erode it.
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Sony’s Outlook Underwhelms With US Tariffs Weighing
Sony Group Corp. offered an underwhelming forecast for the year ahead, with the burden of US tariffs wiping out expectations for an increase in operating profit.www.bloomberg.com
Yep a Takashi article from a month ago. Sony went up 11% shortly after the earnings report yet he still went with this alarmist headline. Simply forcasted profits flat due to tarrifs and GTA delay but still the highest it has ever been at $13b. somehow his own opinion thinks this was underwhelming as if it is expected to be always rising. Then we come to gaf and complain about how the push for higher and higher numbers by stockholders is destroying gaming. The stockholders were fine with it but clearly Takashi was not, like everything else Sony business related.He is the same idiot who posted alarmist articles about playstation all the times? Just to know. Anyway yeah GTA6 delay probably could give some negative impact on Sony finances but doubt anything of relevant.
They're well aware of this hence why they mentioned it as factors that will keep profits flat but unfortunately you can't create additional yearly profit by decreasing hardware price (which they did do this month to build install base and will have lower profit because of it and eating tarrifs).The GTA comment is telling when combined with the comments around US tariffs.
"We're reliant on GTAVI as a system seller…"
Said in the same breath as…
"We may need to put the console prices up in response to tariffs…"
There's a direct inverse causality here, as a subtext to the article; where they'll be pushing themselves into a position of having to rely on GTA-like system sellers to shift console units, because they box will be too expensive.
This a dumb fucking strategy…
MS doesn't care about hardware, and as such, scaled its prices (all over the world btw) to account for the US tariff landscape, knowing hardware sales would slow as a result. They just don't care because it's all about Xbox everywhere and so long as they can sell games and they aren't losing money on boxes they don't care if HW sales decline further than they already are.
Sony are in a leading position and can't afford to take this route.
They should be doing the opposite.
CUT console prices and watch boxes fly off shelves, watch attach rates soar and software sales drive into the stratosphere.
When cost of living is high, consumers will spend less on entertainment and luxury more broadly. But a console is a one-in-ten-years entertainment "investment" that sets them up for engagement, which they now have a lot more time for, because they're cutting back on going out drinking, restaurants, cinema, etc etc.
In terms of pure entertainment value-for-money, the console market should remain buoyant through this macroeconomic epoch, so they should be maximising their chances to push PS5 to take off and do PS2 sales numbers, not trying to erode it.
Better than cheerleaders of acquiring publishers of multiplat studios and attempting to make games exclusive.Yeah apparently revenue filling shareholders pockets is some kind of victory for gamers
I think its the same shit ... people cheering for any shareholder happiness without thinking what the fuck they are winning with this is just pure blind brand fanboysmBetter than cheerleaders of acquiring publishers of multiplat studios and attempting to make games exclusive.
We all remember that
I wished sony were pumping out 80 dollars first party bangers to sell me one after the other ...its why I bought their damn 800 dollar console.I guess you like it better when companies result to $80 games to make up for smaller user-bases & inflation
The brand blind love some people indulge its just sad.The more dominant a corporation becomes, the worse the situation will get for gamers.
It's super simple: corporations are not friends.
Maybe but in the meantime they haven't , PS6 might be a different story when the user-base resetI wished sony were pumping out 80 dollars first party bangers to sell me one after the other ...its why I bought their damn 800 dollar console.
Btw is so cute that you think they will not raise game prices pretty soon
I feel like I clicked on iconera sometimes.Sony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
I can't take this serious when sony has been moneyhatting mutliplats since 1996. Those moneyhat deals fooled people into thinking titles were "exclusive". Increasing the PS brand and mindshare. Still is to this day.Better than cheerleaders of acquiring publishers of multiplat studios and attempting to make games exclusive.
We all remember that
I hear you.I get where you're coming from, and there's truth in the idea that consoles are seen as long-term investments, especially when people are cutting back on other kinds of entertainment. But I think there's another side to this.
Cutting the price of the PS5 sounds great in theory , especially to drive up volume, but it's not always that simple. Sony still relies quite a bit on hardware margins, unlike Microsoft, which has leaned more into software and services. With tariffs and global costs rising, slashing prices could hurt more than help, especially if they're already close to break-even on the hardware.
And using GTA VI as a system seller isn't really a bad strategy, it's actually a pretty proven one. Big titles like that bring a ton of excitement and can help justify the cost of a console for a lot of people. We've seen it work time and again.
Also, while a price cut might boost short-term sales, Sony may be playing a longer game focusing on recurring revenue from PS Plus, digital game sales, and keeping people within their ecosystem. It's not just about units sold anymore, it's about how much people engage once they're in.
Comparing this era to the PS2 days is a bit tricky. The market's changed a lot! Higher dev costs, more competition, and a shift toward digital services. What worked then might not be the best move now.
So while I see the appeal of cutting prices to boost momentum, Sony is likely balancing more factors than we're aware of and data we don't have access to so are taking a different route doesn't necessarily mean it's the wrong one.
Sony fans are becoming the equivalent of Nintendo zealots, not caring about what they get, just what the company gets from you, "yay! profit going up, yay!!!"![]()
FixedBetter than cheerleaders
You cant see thw difference in paying to fund a game sb or lending an engine like Playstation did for death stranding VS xbox using microsoft money to buy Activision to keep cod from releasing on PlayStation when xbox was going to get that game anyway?I can't take this serious when sony has been moneyhatting mutliplats since 1996. Those moneyhat deals fooled people into thinking titles were "exclusive". Increasing the PS brand and mindshare. Still is to this day.
Your points are debatable, but profit leads to that company staying in business. The gen is not over. If their output is so bad then why is a certain group cheering for dayand date from PlayStation? Why the port thirst?I think its the same shit ... people cheering for any shareholder happiness without thinking what the fuck they are winning with this is just pure blind brand fanboysm
"The first party output is the worst ever!!"
"Shhh ps5 is selling like crazy be happy sony bro, rejoice"