Bloomberg: Switch 2 hasn't provided expected boost to outside developers. They complain game-key cards.
cinnamonandgravy
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because its a handheld system.
imagine integrating a full-size blu-ray reader into the switch2 haha.
would be cool if the dock had a blu-ray reader and thats how you install games.
but (i) piracy and (ii) piracy and (iii) piracy and (iv) switch would need more internal memory (more $$$) and (v) makes the console less portable and (vi) nintendo probably still has a "f you sony" mentality and doesnt want to pay disc licensing costs.
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ultrazilla
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They need to come up with a cheaper, faster and higher capacity cartridge.
With the tech we have now, I see no reason it can't be developed.
With the tech we have now, I see no reason it can't be developed.
Arsic
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I imagine Hades 2 will sell well on this.
Problem with the third party games is most have been around for years and run better on all other hardware. Unless you're Nintendo only why the fuck would you pick up cyberpunk 2077 in 480p low settings 30fps?
Yakuza 0? Been around for what, 7+ years?
New third party stand a chance like Silksong.
Problem with the third party games is most have been around for years and run better on all other hardware. Unless you're Nintendo only why the fuck would you pick up cyberpunk 2077 in 480p low settings 30fps?
Yakuza 0? Been around for what, 7+ years?
New third party stand a chance like Silksong.
ShadyAcshuns
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For portability, for the umpteenth time ffs. I own all three: PS5, SX, S2 and just like with S1 I prefer playing on a hybrid system. If Sony comes out with a hybrid system, I'll be all over it.
If how things ran and performed were my top priority, I'd get a beefy PC.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
For the umpteenth time you aren't the entire fucking customer base.
Neat you wanted to play an old super GPU intensive game portably at 30fps 480p. That doesn't mean everyone else fucking did. Or else guess what? The sales would've followed.
kevboard
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
What's the difference then? I am open for a decent counter argument.
kevboard
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the difference is that the game is on the cart... very simple difference.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
That's not a good argument. That game on a cart is also installed with 7 patches.
I guess 30 years from now you might be able to install it to a vanilla state if someone hacks the os and hacks the need to check the servers. Possible I guess.
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ShadyAcshuns
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Sure thing, Goldie locks: PC too hot, Switch 2 too cold, PS just right!
digital is the future get used to it your boys and girls and others.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
paolo11
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Nintendo should offer lower storage cards to 3rd party developers without extra cost so they can use that. A lot of us don't want GKC and prefer games fully inside the cart (one of the main factor to own Switch console).
I'll be honest and this is not popular but at this point I'm willing to pay extra for full game inside the cart instead of GKC if there was an option.
I'll be honest and this is not popular but at this point I'm willing to pay extra for full game inside the cart instead of GKC if there was an option.
AngelMuffin
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You can't resell the digital version.
S0ULZB0URNE
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This isn't about Xbox
Unknown Soldier
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To be perfectly honest I tried to have physical carts for Switch and it was annoying trying to carry carts around with me or just deciding which game I wanted in my Switch when I traveled somewhere
For Switch 2 I'm going all digital because that just makes sense for a portable
I still buy discs for my PS5 because it doesn't move anywhere and neither do the discs
For Switch 2 I'm going all digital because that just makes sense for a portable
I still buy discs for my PS5 because it doesn't move anywhere and neither do the discs
AngelMuffin
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Combining GKCs with only 256gb of internal memory is wild. Should have been 512gb minimum.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Which is why key cards exist.
kevboard
Member
why is the number of patches of any relevance?
if patch 1 improved performance slightly, patch 2 to 4 patched minor bugs, patch 5 added a... I dunno... new costume..., patch 6 added a new accessibility option, and patch 7 did another small performance optimisation, what exactly are you missing out on if you only have the cart?
most games are fine as they are. if you buy a retail copy of Super Mario Odyssey, first print, and you have zero internet access, and you put it into your Switch, you'll never think you're missing out on anything just because you don't have any updates installed.
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awwr999999
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Nintendo at its peak had game cartridges that provide real value:
1. Holding game data
2. Allowing users to select a game and boot directly into that game.
3. Providing a collectible object, box and manuals.
4. Allowing users to load games significantly faster than disc or ssd based games.
Nintendo lost their lightning fast load times with the move to optical disks.
Switch 1 reduced those down to just holding game data and providing a collectible object.
Switch 2 cut that down to just providing a collectible object with no real purpose.
Nintendo traded a bunch of great gameplay-centric qualities for clock speed and increased resolution.
1. Holding game data
2. Allowing users to select a game and boot directly into that game.
3. Providing a collectible object, box and manuals.
4. Allowing users to load games significantly faster than disc or ssd based games.
Nintendo lost their lightning fast load times with the move to optical disks.
Switch 1 reduced those down to just holding game data and providing a collectible object.
Switch 2 cut that down to just providing a collectible object with no real purpose.
Nintendo traded a bunch of great gameplay-centric qualities for clock speed and increased resolution.
kevboard
Member
even more value. some of them came with entire additional processors on the board. and I'm not just talking about the SuperFX, but stuff like the SA1, which was a slightly modified version of the SNES' CPU and basically doubled the SNES' CPU performance by being included on the cartridge.
imagine if that could happen nowadays lol
Dirk Benedict
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I supported the fuck out of Switch.
I avoided the fuck out of Switch 2.
Laughing emojis be damned.
My wallet feels fuller.
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lastmessiah
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They will win, I promise.
awwr999999
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It feels like nobody at Nintendo ever takes a step back and draws up an objective list comparing old Nintendo to modern day Nintendo.
They've traded a long list of amazing features for a short list of less impressive ones.
Mozza
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Not sure why we are making this a game card issue. As outside of core hobby gamers nobody cares. Third party software had a tough time on the original Switch and always sold pretty modest numbers. It's very simple as Nintendo's own first party games will always drive the platform.
Like it of not software is going digital, key cards give you a reasonable option. The main problem is as Nintendo are only offering a higher Gb capacity card, so many third party developers making games under 30Gb are simply not going to see the value in putting their game on a cart.
But at the end of the day third party software will have a tough time on the Switch, game cards or not.
Like it of not software is going digital, key cards give you a reasonable option. The main problem is as Nintendo are only offering a higher Gb capacity card, so many third party developers making games under 30Gb are simply not going to see the value in putting their game on a cart.
But at the end of the day third party software will have a tough time on the Switch, game cards or not.
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tkscz
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Not fully true, Japanese devs have had success on the original Switch, as well as some surprising Western devs like what few Rockstar games were on the system. Indie devs also see success on the og switch.
But I agree with you about the game key cards. Only people bothered by it are the hardcore. Anyone else buying a switch 2 game from a store doesn't care or even notice.
In fact, I'm not sure why this thread is focusing on the switch 2 at all. The issue is that game sales, specifically physical, are down and the switch 2 didn't boost it. It's an economic issue. People don't have the money to spend on these games. $70 is a lot of money to a lot of people. Bills and food come first and cheaper hobbies exist, not to mention cheaper or free to play games.
BlackTron
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Game developers literally just said in the article that they care. They aren't happy with the storage media options given, and that's when Nintendo gives the option to publish on Switch 2 at all. If Nintendo sent out more Switch 2 dev kits, and made carts smaller than 64GB available, we would have more Switch 2 games.
Instead they just want everyone to make Switch 1 BC games instead right now. It appears like they are comfortable to "scale up" later, which is maybe a silly degree of confidence to slow things on purpose when they ought to getting every chess piece into place as fast as humanly possible to secure momentum. They feel they have enough of it, and want to stop it so Switch 1 install base isn't overshadowed too fast, but now Switch 2 customers and third parties have to pay for that.
Baemono
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Okay so the whole article is:
- comparing the launch of Daemon X Machina in the UK and Japan
- an analyst's feelings about the whole game key card situation
- a Nintendo shareholder's question about game key card
The whole stuff being wrapped into a "devs complain about game key cards, no sales boost" article. And it's already 3 pages of discussion here.
- comparing the launch of Daemon X Machina in the UK and Japan
- an analyst's feelings about the whole game key card situation
- a Nintendo shareholder's question about game key card
The whole stuff being wrapped into a "devs complain about game key cards, no sales boost" article. And it's already 3 pages of discussion here.
Baemono
Gold Member
I don't see that in the article.
Mozza
Member
I never said developers did not care. All I said was on the whole customers are not bothered about game cards. And third party software has not pushed the sales of Switch hardware.
BlackTron
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Since it's a paid article, I'm grabbing quotes from other sources such as
Sorry if I made a mistake.
Mozza
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This success is minor compared to Nintendo's own first party output. Yes it's a great platform for indie titles, and many game swill sell their biggest numbers on the Switch platform. But it's still pretty niche.
Baemono
Gold Member
That's a classic Mochizuki tactic. "the lingering request", but who said what exactly ? There is absolutely nothing in his article when you read it in detail.
His previous articles:
Nintendo to Use Faster Nvidia Chips in New 2021 Switch Model
Nintendo Co. plans to adopt an upgraded Nvidia Corp. chip with better graphics and processing for a new Switch model planned for the year-end shopping season, according to people familiar with the matter.
www.bloomberg.com
Developers Are Making Games for a Nintendo 4K Console That Doesn’t Exist
At least 11 companies, including Zynga, have tools from Nintendo to make 4K Switch games.
www.bloomberg.com
Nintendo Gives Conservative Switch 2 Sales Outlook of 15 Million
Nintendo Co. warned it may yet increase the cost of its long-anticipated new console, after projecting weaker-than-expected initial sales of the Switch 2.
www.bloomberg.com
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Sintoid
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A Game in a cart can still be played without patches
BlackTron
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It never will at this rate.
BlackTron
Member
You're probably right, after all the key card is cheap.
Most devs that would ask for a smaller card, would probably have happily just used a keycard but were told to make a Switch 1 game instead.
Mozza
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It does not need it. Not suggesting it should not get more support by the way.
BlackTron
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I mean, to me it's not really about what Switch 2 needs to do to stay solvent or support Nintendo or anything. The Wii didn't need to do anything but sell one console to each user because they profited on it; anything else was gravy.
It's more about what it should do, and then the context shifts to what it "needs" to do to accomplish that. Personally, I think Switch 2 should be running some new games that they're making me run a janky Switch 1 version. This is totally for cynical business reasons and pushed me away to play the games on PC, but why when I just bought a handheld they are perfect for? Feels bad.
Astray
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He's probably being fed this on background.That's a classic Mochizuki tactic. "the lingering request", but who said what exactly ? There is absolutely nothing in his article when you read it in detail.
His previous articles:
Nintendo to Use Faster Nvidia Chips in New 2021 Switch Model
Nintendo Co. plans to adopt an upgraded Nvidia Corp. chip with better graphics and processing for a new Switch model planned for the year-end shopping season, according to people familiar with the matter.Developers Are Making Games for a Nintendo 4K Console That Doesn’t Exist
At least 11 companies, including Zynga, have tools from Nintendo to make 4K Switch games.
Nintendo Gives Conservative Switch 2 Sales Outlook of 15 Million
Nintendo Co. warned it may yet increase the cost of its long-anticipated new console, after projecting weaker-than-expected initial sales of the Switch 2.
Impossible to me that publishers like NISA etc haven't noticed that consumers are unhappy with game-key cards, look at how people cancelled preorders en masse for a Trails special edition because it turned out to be a key card.
Mozza
Member
Totally agree with you. It would be great for Nintendo to get this sorted out. Certainly on the development kit side of things. Not so sure the game card issue is the main problem. I will not play the Nintendo Switch Skywalker saga until we get a Switch 2 patch..
Dalbajobas
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BlackTron
Member
At least that is an old game! Titles that came out after Switch 2 on Switch 1 only, with a superior PS5 version? Please...
diffusionx
Gold Member
I legit am confused about Nintendo still pushing Switch 1 and telling devs to write Switch 1 games.
They should be moving people onto Switch 2 as fast as possible. If you have a Switch 1, there's tons of shit to play, but if you have a Switch 1 and just want to see more on Switch 2, Nintendo isn't trying hard enough to give you that.
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Baemono
Gold Member
Not enough devkits
Buggy Loop
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I was actually scratching my head which major japanese company released a game so far?
FF7 remake and Elden Ring are still TBD
That's a classic Mochizuki tactic. "the lingering request", but who said what exactly ? There is absolutely nothing in his article when you read it in detail.
His previous articles:
Nintendo to Use Faster Nvidia Chips in New 2021 Switch Model
Nintendo Co. plans to adopt an upgraded Nvidia Corp. chip with better graphics and processing for a new Switch model planned for the year-end shopping season, according to people familiar with the matter.Developers Are Making Games for a Nintendo 4K Console That Doesn’t Exist
At least 11 companies, including Zynga, have tools from Nintendo to make 4K Switch games.
Nintendo Gives Conservative Switch 2 Sales Outlook of 15 Million
Nintendo Co. warned it may yet increase the cost of its long-anticipated new console, after projecting weaker-than-expected initial sales of the Switch 2.
Oh so the usual bloomberg contributor slop
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Pasta la Vista
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"but but you can resell game key cards"
-nobody wants them
-they hold no value
-nobody wants them
-they hold no value
diffusionx
Gold Member
I don't think the issue is the lack of dev kits - if they can get enough Switch 2 on shelves (and they have) they can get enough dev kits out. They are clearly holding them back.
asdasdasdbb
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Sounds more like an excuse more than anything else.
Nintendo could put a bigger SSD on the thing tho.
Nintendo could put a bigger SSD on the thing tho.