DarknessTear
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I can! But that's because I saw some amazing stuff in Disc 3 that surpasses that. 
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Blue Dragon (Xbox360) |OT|
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Blimblim said:
Sure. I mean on a tech level it's not all that impressive. You have the 3 character models and 3 not too high geometery robot hand models using the same textures. So six objects in a not too detailed background.
Plus I remember that cutscene because it's one of the few that had a screen tear when the kids were grabbed.
The Innocent X
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Bebpo said:
You underestimate the tecnical difficulties of making rounded objects IMO
Resistance IMHO looks good thanks to the excellent (for the most part) art direction and a solid but absolutely not amazing tech. The lack of any kind of seemingly proper lighting really kills it for me.Bebpo said:
But I digress, let's take this discussion to PM or AIM
Edit: Ho yes, the tearing was really bad in this scene, that's how I realized it was realtime in fact
clashfan said:
That's because it's a FMV.
clashfan said:
The Blue Dragon engine isn't that impressive technically honestly. What is impressive is the excellent 3D modeling, textures and overall solid design. We all know that Artoon has great 3D artists, since many of them came from Sega, but the programming isn't all that hot. Seriously.
duckroll said:That's because it's a FMV.
No that scene is real-time, evidenced by the screen tearing.
The easiest way to tell the two apart is that the FMV scenes have facial expressions like a movie, whereas the real-time stuff just has the simple open/close flaps.
Realtime (eyes vacant staring straight ahead, no real facial expression):
CG FMV (very animated facial expression. Eyes looking around, mouth shaped)
Small tidbit on 1up about Blue Dragon.
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7682367&publicUserId=5443554
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7682367&publicUserId=5443554
Bebpo said:No that scene is real-time, evidenced by the screen tearing.
The easiest way to tell the two apart is that the FMV scenes have facial expressions like a movie, whereas the real-time stuff just has the simple open/close flaps.
Was it? Then it must be the scene right after that which was FMV. The falling sequence was totally ROBOT CG.
Actually later in the game the best way to tell if it's FMV or not is if the hair on certain characters animate reaally smoothly. There was one part on top of the castle where it was going between FMV and realtime over and over and you could tell they're loading the realtime cutscenes while the FMVs were running and it was just going back and forth to a) save space, b) so there would be no longer for the entire sequence. But when it cuts back and forth it's pretty obvious if you're looking at the details.
I'm only 1 hour in, so I can't discuss much more than the graphics :/duckroll said:Yeah I notice the tearing when they're usually panning upward on a character or scene. Anyway, why are we nitpicking on video details again? It seems that no one wants to discuss the gameplay.
duckroll said:Yeah I notice the tearing when they're usually panning upward on a character or scene. Anyway, why are we nitpicking on video details again? It seems that no one wants to discuss the gameplay.
Uhmmmm....searching stuff and finding EXP or SP is COOL!
Magic is very powerful, but very expensive! Often kills entire enemy groups in 1 hit. Magic-sword skill + MONK = POWERMAN against any ELEMENTAL ENEMY.
I sorta wish you could setup Suikoden V style party formations instead of just the back/front stuff. It's interesting that the game lets you get away with putting tanks in front and mages in the back and the mages will never be attacked ever by physical attack enemys unless the tank dies. Sorta like a turn-based Tales fight!
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
fixed. A review is something done when a game is finished and all the pros and cons are weighed. As always, on-going impressions are just that...on-going. As the game quality dips up and down so do the impressions. You never seem to get this aspect
oh no, i agree on that - buy you still have 4 more predictable Bebpo stages to go through.
Also - most people tend to temper it a bit rather than be GAME BREAKING ISSUE, wait... GAME OF THE GENERATION! wait... no... RUINED AND TECHNICALLY LACKING....
painey said:
Well MS lets a lot of other games get away with it, so why would BD be any different :\ Screen-tearing is a major next-gen problem with many, many developers. But I do think as developers get more accustomed to the new machines screen-tearing will go away.
[EM] actually got its screen tearing fixed in the US version though (though [EM] had screen-tearing during FMV WTF!?!!? Most confusing tech glitch ever!)...so who knows?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I'll reiterate again - i've seen the vsync go off ONCE for a split second when turning in a large area (being someone who doesn't care about framerates and stuff though, i'm probably just missing this on my inferior set up! ) - i've literally seen this once, i'm not seeing it at the same rate as bebpo and it's definitely not going to affect your enjoyment of the game (IMO)
) - i've literally seen this once, i'm not seeing it at the same rate as bebpo and it's definitely not going to affect your enjoyment of the game (IMO)Karma Kramer
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DCharlie said:I'll reiterate again - i've seen the vsync go off ONCE for a split second when turning in a large area (being someone who doesn't care about framerates and stuff though, i'm probably just missing this on my inferior set up!
the battle of impressions
Teleporter
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Just my quick words...
I WANT THIS GAME NOW!!!!!!!!
...err... When does this masterpiece comes out in US? Hope we get it here in Brazil as well!
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I WANT THIS GAME NOW!!!!!!!!
...err... When does this masterpiece comes out in US? Hope we get it here in Brazil as well!
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Karma Kramer said:
Yet blimblim just said above he saw tearing at the same spot as me and that's how we knew it was a real-time scene
I mean it's one thing to not notice it a few times during cutscenes I guess....but it happens during a various attacks in almost every battle and is even evident in the video captures; saying you don't see that at all is....
DCharlie, I guess you are a picky videophile that just turns off the nitpicking when the game is on X360
Actually, all joking aside, how far are you? I'm under the impression you aren't too far in and until you start getting the various magic attacks, you won't have screen tearing in battles.inpHilltr8r
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Bah! PS2 has had screen tearing for a whole generation. Typical MS stealing Sony's techniques.Bebpo said:
laugh goddamnit;p
Teleporter
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Ginko said:
Gorgeous!!!
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
DCharlie, I guess you are a picky videophile that just turns off the nitpicking when the game is on X360
i'm not too far in, but i do have the base magic attacks. Still not seeing any screen tearing there, but i guess we'll see as i power up.
sorry - i'm nearing the end of the 'dull' section i think - i'd be futher if work didn't get in the way :/
*trudges on through*
i see a split second vsync just before Shu's dragon lets out a blast and i see a low frame rate in the victory if Kluke delivers the final blow. If Shu gets a critical , you also see a frame or two drop.
However, this is all minor stuff - and - IN A FRICKEN RPG! I'm still not convinced i see what you are seeing as there is just conceivable way this could upset anyone if it's at the level i'm seeing. So there has to be a difference.
X360 wise : I've had a huge rant against Vsync in games that was distracting - prepatched Chromehounds has some shocking issues with vsync - and i'm sure i was the first to point them out too.
BlueTsunami
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That water is wonderful. The translucency mixed with the shimmering just looks right and yet has a style to it. Real nice
Thanks for all the impressions and screenshots, guys.
I'm not quite sure if you are making the wait for us sorry sods with only a NA-360 to our names more bearable or more painfull in the end, but the irresistable curiosity of living vicariously more or less renders that beside the point regardless.
If localization takes too long, though, we'll all be hurting bad after seeing what we've seen. Looks great!
I'm not quite sure if you are making the wait for us sorry sods with only a NA-360 to our names more bearable or more painfull in the end, but the irresistable curiosity of living vicariously more or less renders that beside the point regardless.
If localization takes too long, though, we'll all be hurting bad after seeing what we've seen. Looks great!
I just watched the first part of Blim's video, did anyone else think it was hilarious that they kept pulling weapons out of nowhere? And then the other two kids both had axes and some gigantic random trap? It might seem less ridiculous if it had some explanation, but I don't know any Japanese.
Still it looks fantastic, and is exactly the kind of epic adventure I crave (for shame FFXII!).
Still it looks fantastic, and is exactly the kind of epic adventure I crave (for shame FFXII!).
This game is a perfect example of why I want DQIX on either the PS3 or 360. Some of these screens look awesome, and as much as I dislike 90% of it, Toriyama's art works really well with hardware capable of this level of detail.
Looking forward to final impressions, especially from duck and Bebpo.
Looking forward to final impressions, especially from duck and Bebpo.
Sweet sweet gameplay impressions...evidently the game appeals to the artistically inclined and is not short of its technical merits too (helps that it uses depth-of-field blur pretty well) Times like this I wish my Japanese vocab expand beyond mere well-wishes and ability to count
Times like this I wish my Japanese vocab expand beyond mere well-wishes and ability to count Agent Icebeezy
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What does 2ch think about this game?
intheinbetween
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after playing 10+ hours, still not finished the first DVD, I can't imagine what Mistwalker can do with Lost Odyssey.... if they raise the quality level on Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey could be pretty awesome.. and i don't wanna even think about Cry On..