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Bob Iger Reducing Spending and Creation On Star Wars / Marvel Content
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BlackTron
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While I respectfully disagree with your opinion, I do also respect your right to have the opinion, to voice it, and for us all to discuss it in an open forum. I don't think Disney invented the echo chamber, there are always people who are intolerant of others' opinions no matter what it is.
The difference here, is that I think Lucas tried to make a good movie with good intentions and failed. These idiots then discharged their anger at innocents. Disney, on the other hand, intentionally made a bad movie trying to brainwash people that "Star Wars = Good, and Woke = Star Wars, therefore Woke = Good". Anyone with an opinion on the conduct of company or media itself is being lampooned, but Disney should not be shielded from criticism here. Jake Lloyd/Ahmed Best/You, should be.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Live action too?
Is that Dwarf in the front Dave Grohl?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Live action too?
If there's one Disney division that needs to be killed immediately, it's the one creating these horrible live action versions of classic animated movies. Stop raping my childhood memories, you f&*&@*@cks.
MayauMiao
Member
Judging by the photo, I expect Snow White to choke out the poison apple by herself because she sense the prince was about to kiss her without consent.Live action too?
I also expect her stepmother became evil because of her father.
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
The actors look like they have fun doing super hero movies, I’d like an ancient Jedi order type of prequel.
It's not cool to go aggro on people for their entertainment preferences, and I'll respect someone's opinion as long as they're respectful about it and have something thoughtful to say. At the end of the day this stuff is just for fun, and some people need to get a life if they get to the point of wishing death on others for their involvement in entertainment or their opinions about it.
Billbofet
Member
I think my bouncing off point for Marvel was one-two gut punch of Thor Love and Thunder and Wakanda Forever. I know for sure, WF broke my son on Marvel.
For SW, as much as I disliked The Last Jedi, I was okay enough with Force Awakens to want to see how that trilogy ended with Rise of Skywalker. Unfortunately, that was about the most expensive fan fiction ever produced and missed, for me, the entire point of SW.
Sprinkled in all this are endless, sub-mediocre tv shows that have become required viewing to understand this convoluted mess, and it's next to impossible to give a shit as the IP value is slowly diluted to satire.
I do think if they took some years off, scrapped that Rey trilogy that is destined to suck ass, and break from Skywalker already, SW could be saved.
For Marvel, they also need some breathing room, stop the endless made for tv shows and movies, and do right by the Xmen and Fantastic Four.
Or, just put Tom Cruise in the next SW and Marvel movies.
For SW, as much as I disliked The Last Jedi, I was okay enough with Force Awakens to want to see how that trilogy ended with Rise of Skywalker. Unfortunately, that was about the most expensive fan fiction ever produced and missed, for me, the entire point of SW.
Sprinkled in all this are endless, sub-mediocre tv shows that have become required viewing to understand this convoluted mess, and it's next to impossible to give a shit as the IP value is slowly diluted to satire.
I do think if they took some years off, scrapped that Rey trilogy that is destined to suck ass, and break from Skywalker already, SW could be saved.
For Marvel, they also need some breathing room, stop the endless made for tv shows and movies, and do right by the Xmen and Fantastic Four.
Or, just put Tom Cruise in the next SW and Marvel movies.
Badlucktroll
Member
I wonder if they are going to make any more of those nutty thor movies
ThisIsMyDog
Member
I thought it was just superhero cinema that I was getting tired of, but then I went to see "The Batman" and was amazed by the film.
Quality, not quantity. It was the same with "The Joker", film had an idea for itself and you could feel it from the first previews. Marvel is now copy of a copy, trash.
Quality, not quantity. It was the same with "The Joker", film had an idea for itself and you could feel it from the first previews. Marvel is now copy of a copy, trash.
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Dural
Member
Live action too?
It looks so completely ridiculous I didn't think the pictures were real at first. Who the hell greenlit this?
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
For me it was Thor and Dr. Strange hated both of them and nope'd out
FunkMiller
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Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Still can't believe The Force Awakens got the reception that it did. Watched 3 more of the movies and the first season of Mandalorian and nothing really improved. They look good but the writing and characters are bland and forgettable.
I thought everybody loved Disney's Star Wars and I'm just out of touch? I am confusion. It's like.........I was correct........ the whole time....
Umbasaborne
Banned
Makes sense, public interest in both seems to have dropped steeply due to over saturation
BlackTron
Member
I think Mandalorian is proof that no matter how low you go, you can always do an about-face and people will turn up. After all, I was a die-hard Star Wars fan and found it so depressing to think about I had moved on completely when it happened. Thing is though, when they make mistakes, there is no question that momentum, and therefore potential value and dollars, are left on the table that will never be gotten back. It's easier and more lucrative if you don't have to repair and mend the IP back into shape in the first place. It also helps weather a few hiccups here and there if you aren't already at rock bottom, you get away with it and will not need to micromanage a disaster if things are generally pretty good.
If they really come back with another Rey trilogy, honestly I can't even. Maybe now that the movies will be spaced farther apart, they won't know what else to blame but the actual content and will finally take accountability. Maybe. At that point, their task of fixing Star Wars will be even harder, but not impossible. The idea of the trilogy is awkward because I can't see them wanting to finish making all 3 when they see how it's going, they will want to pivot faster than that but trap themselves.
PaddyOCanager
Member
I really enjoyed The Force Awakens because at the time I saw it as a soft and safe reboot after the polarizing prequels.
It introduced us to 3 new main characters I was interested in taking a journey with for two more films, and I thought Kylo Ren would become a compelling villain. I was able to dismiss a lot of issues with the film for those reasons plus I honestly just wanted to enjoy it.
TLJ felt like I was being made fun of for being a Star Wars fan. That movie reeks of disdain for the source material, and it's a terrible film regardless of the Star Wars IP attached to it. My girlfriend and I had a silent ride home from the theater, and then we stood in the kitchen for like an hour just processing wtf happened. I still can't fully believe that film was made, and I didn't even bother seeing Rise of Skywalker.
FunkMiller
Member
Jesus titty fucking Christ. 212 million for that shit?
Sadly, even half decent stuff, like the sci-fi tween flick Crater they JUST released, are getting pulled. Makes no damned sense. Granted, it was initially a Fox film, but it was made after the merger and was only on the service for a few months. So Disney shouldn't have any contractual payment issues to another party, they should own it whole cloth.
So I can only assume that funny Hollywood accounting has that film "making" like 100 million on D+ so if they remove it they can write down their taxes by that amount. Since they know exactly how many viewers watched (probably not very many) they can make those types of hard calculations.
D+ is just mismarketed. It will likely never be more than a $5/mo substitute for having Disney movies and cartoons on DVD that the kids eventually destroy. No one is gonna sub for the bullshit tween live action shows and whatnot Disney had had on their bundled cable channel. When you tease apart cable channels into a la cart, damn near ALL OF IT was really riding on the coattails of ESPN or just a few major players. Ain't no one paying $5-15 for most of that crap if they now have a choice.
BlackTron
Member
Cyberpunkd
Member
Iger replaced whoever fucked up before. The guy was brought out of retirement because Disney was failing so badly. This is him cleaning the house.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
That may or may not have been me but if it wasn't I could see that being me. You're allowed to, it wouldn't make it true however.
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Spyxos
Member
Jesus titty fucking Christ. 212 million for that shit?
How the hell is it possible? The series looks so incredibly cheap. How bad will the series/movies look when they have to save money?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Iger left Disney on Dec 31, 2021 and came back on Nov 20, 2022. Bob Chapek led the House of the Mouse on his own only for 11 months. That means that Iger is criticizing decisions that he pushed for himself long before Chapek became the CEO.
Dural
Member
I swear he left to see how these plans played out and when they blew up in their face he "decided" to come back as the savior. Everyone know Iger was running everything behind the scenes.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
We... Just agreed on something!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The problem with Kathleen Kennedy is that she doesn't GET star Wars and Indiana. She's OK'd Mando and Andor (great stuff!) but has mismanaged everything else. I know she's not the creative side but still she has input and instead of trusting those who are FANS of the IP, she inserts or mandates things that brings the content down. She should have mandated a cohesive story for the ST... Instead she had everyone wing it. BAD strategy!
chromhound
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newtypepilot
Member
It's a AI created image obviously.
So who is it from?
Billbofet
Member
This shit has to be a money laundering scheme or a tax write-off.
How galactically mismanaged is this to cost this much money?
FunkMiller
Member
So who is it from?
Porn version?
Prob gonna be better than this.
Goalus
Member
They should double down on their "the force is female" vision.
Kathleen Kennedy should replace Bob Iger, and they should instruct leading actresses who play strong independent female characters to lecture the audience about the oppressive nature of the patriarchy on social media. I see no other way for them to recover.
Kathleen Kennedy should replace Bob Iger, and they should instruct leading actresses who play strong independent female characters to lecture the audience about the oppressive nature of the patriarchy on social media. I see no other way for them to recover.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Make questionable decisions, defend them as if they were the best thing since sliced bread, blame trolls and bots for any negative reaction, and then proceed to passively aggressively blame fans saying that the problem is that you just confused them with too much good content and the only problem is saturation… genius plan…
Trilobit
Member
and 211 million went to SLJ
I wouldn't even mind if that was actually true if it meant we got Nick Fury and not Nick Puny. I am getting the feel that only in the very last episode are we getting the character we actually wanted to see. This is reminiscent of "Luke" Skywalker in the Disney trilogy. I'm watching the fourth episode right and it's still "he's broken, the old Fury with power is gone, this maggoty maggot, this wimp, this softie chicken wuss will soon die from exhaustion".
And why did they choose an actor with minimal charisma and two big front teeth as the main villain? Even SLJ's left pinky toe has more magnetism than that dullard.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You cant blame media companies chruning out endless superhero movies. Most make shit loads of money. When a character like Antman can make half a billion in sales, they'll splash any character for more movies. Also they take years of planning and production to make. So any shitty superhero movies released lately (lots it seems) were already in the cooker years ago, so you cant turn the barge that fast. But going forward studios have time to right the ship.
The key thing is with a lot of them doing poorly lately (reviews and ticket sales), will all the studios finally smarten up and cut back on shitty tier superhero movies and go back to more traditional comedy flicks, action movies or thrillers, while focusing on the tried and true Batman, Avengers and Spiderman movies? Or just keep making superhero movies, but cut down on their production values so they might squeak out profits.
It's really a classic case of any company with product lines that are trending mediocre. You can focus on making them better, or refocus on entirely different products.
What they do, we'll all have to wait and see.
The key thing is with a lot of them doing poorly lately (reviews and ticket sales), will all the studios finally smarten up and cut back on shitty tier superhero movies and go back to more traditional comedy flicks, action movies or thrillers, while focusing on the tried and true Batman, Avengers and Spiderman movies? Or just keep making superhero movies, but cut down on their production values so they might squeak out profits.
It's really a classic case of any company with product lines that are trending mediocre. You can focus on making them better, or refocus on entirely different products.
What they do, we'll all have to wait and see.
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BlackTron
Member
I don't think Spider-Man and Batman are ever going away, but I don't think Avengers is as "tried and true" as those are, and not coming back as strong as RDJ and Chris Evans ever again. There may be an attempt that shelves it for a long time time. If they make a bad Batman movie, it wont phase anyone, he will be back in no time!
FeralEcho
Member
Instead of Snow white and the 7 dwarfs we're getting:Live action too?
Sun Tan and the 7 cucks.
Wildebeest
Member
What major new entertainment IP has been created by the Millennial generation? Boomers created a lot of movie IP. Gen-X created a lot of game IP and Harry Potter. Millennials seem to just remake other's ideas worse, saying they are modernising it or making it their own.
Griffon
Member
To be fair, executives and decision maker are mostly Gen-Xers. Millenial staffers don't have much editorial choice right now.
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Wildebeest
Member
Who did Rowling and Notch ask permission from to make Potter and Minecraft?
March Climber
Member
Star Wars is an easy fix. Just start a completely new story in a completely new Saga that doesn’t involve a Skywalker, nor Obi Wan, nor Grievous.
It worked for the books and video games. The movies just have to let them go as well.
BlackTron
Member
Can culture heal first please
March Climber
Member
It never will. Those movies will always be official canon and they will keep making properties. The hole in that boat is unfixable. The best option is to simply move on.
Let’s make a new boat. Let’s make new iconic characters similar to Andor, Mando, Cal, and Kyle Katarn, but in an entirely different generation and time period. No more Skywalker generation.
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That stuff now is Five Nights at Freddie's or these youtube streamers. Mr Beast has a goddamn multibillion dollar empire. The folks don't need ANYONE over 20 AT ALL.
BlackTron
Member
I didn't mean can culture heal from the hurt inflicted to it from Star Wars. I meant from the environment that made it want to spit out a lame Star Wars. Otherwise we will just get another bad movie, in a different setting.