DrGAKMAN said:Just pointing out the bold...
Herm will tell you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58IDrGAKMAN said:Some things to point out:
-I think Toshiba's plan all along (since they were making so much money on the regular DVD format) was not to "win" the HD format race, but rather delay it.
Mojovonio said:fuck that, i'm hoping for cheap blu-rays.
Pai Pai Master said:I don't see that happening. The majority of people "on the fence" about PS3 probably won't ever even hear about this news. The people you're talking about will be tipped to the Sony-side when something bigger to the mainstream hits, such as the discontinuation of the HD-DVD brand, which won't be happening any time in the near future.
How long is Universal signed into a contract with Toshiba?
nib95 said:Post from DVD boards:
Steve_Zissou posted:
Well, if the talk around the office at Warner turns out true the wake this announcement has caused hasn't even come close to hitting yet. My guy at Warner says a lot of the talk coming from the upper level guys at WHV is going something like this:
1. Toshiba ending HD DVD stand alone production within 8 weeks.
2. MS will be notifying retailers to liquidate any remaining 360 add-ons.
3. P/DW will be allowed out of their contract.
4. Universal will be canceling production of HD discs with a BD launch date as early as Q3 2008.
5. The BDA made a nearly $300 million dollar package of marketing incentives, production incentives, and cash payments to get Warner to switch now.
6. The HD DVD promo group recently offered a similar package totaling $350 million.
He says 2 and 3 could be announced as soon as Monday. 1 and 4 might be a little ways off.
Take it for what you will.
the war keeps them cheap with all the BOGO deals and stuff like that. I still kind of hope Toshiba whips out some crazy shit to prolong the BOGO deals!Mojovonio said:fuck that, i'm hoping for cheap blu-rays.
Paramount/Dreamworks.Rody said:By the way, what is "P/DW"?
Mojovonio said:fuck that, i'm hoping for cheap blu-rays.
g35twinturbo said:This game joint by my house in West LA, CA has this side those tha tsells recently release of blu ray movies for 24.99, Im down with that price. F that Best buy price shyt.
neojubei said:I guess Toshiba and the HD-DVD camp were banking on Warner's neutrality now thats shot to hell. I wonder if this effected microsoft at all at CES.
Jonnyram said:So how long are Paramount/DreamWorks exclusive to HD-DVD?
Does this even begin to end the war or does it just make the war more exciting?
maybe because i actually believe that warner supporting bluray exclusively won't sell ps3s???AltogetherAndrews said:You've "pointed it out" quite a few times. It's a bit odd for someone to feel the need to point it and explain such an obvious and certain outcome that many times (never mind moving the goal posts around every now and then). Me, I think you're doing this in part because it bugs you that some might actually so much as suggest that there might be a PS3 positive here, and in part because you're honestly nervous that there might be something to that. If it was the logical certainty that you like to claim that it is, you wouldn't be scuttling about like a bothered beetle right now.
Pai Pai Master said:If you have a Fry's Electronics nearby, you'll find them even cheaper at times.
scoobs said:Whats stopping microsoft from putting out a bluray add-on for the 360?
Truespeed said:They issued an official press release saying it didn't which confirms it did.
People need to see that the inclusion of blu-ray was a good move even if they don't watch movies or even HD movies. That is why the system needs to have blu-ray win the format war as soon as possible. The more standard BD is, the more standard PS3 is.Mojovonio said:Shit, its 20 bucks too.
I'm so on this.
I never said it was.
But you guys really need to stop comparing the DVD BR situation to the VHS DVD situation.
this right here is what i'm stating, as long as hd-dvd is around. I can't see bluray launching the ps3 where its suppose to be.kay said:People need to see that the inclusion of blu-ray was a good move even if they don't watch movies or even HD movies. That is why the system needs to have blu-ray win the format war as soon as possible. The more standard BD is, the more standard PS3 is.
I bet the rest of the blu-ray movie studios are happy about this.
Tron 2.0 said:Paramount/Dreamworks.
They signed as exclusivity agreement with HD-DVD for (I think) 18 months.
But, reportedly, the payout from the HD-DVD camp was only about $100 million. Which is nothing compared to the potential payout from a next-gen home video format taking off.
scoobs said:Whats stopping microsoft from putting out a bluray add-on for the 360?
neojubei said:Pride , maybe? Or Direct Download service plans...
True. There is probably tons of text messages, cell phone calls, and emails being sent right about now.
llTll said:- Very bad for people with HD DVD only [ ebay is gona be cool ]
It was over a long time agoDopeyFish said:Microsoft has stated that if blu-ray is chosen, they will release a blu-ray addon if needed
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142137.html
if Universal jumps ship, then i'm jumping in and picking up a blu-ray player
i didn't want to pick up either just in case - warner really set the groundwork for a blu-ray victory however it's not over yet... but it's close
Guy LeDouche said:Herm will tell you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I
same thread said:DVD is the most successful format of all time and this last year was the first year since it's inception that it went on a decline (and not a huge decline either)...Toshiba makes A LOT on DVD, moreo than Sony, hense why Sony is putting themselves on the frontline for BR, because they were amoung the last to get on the bus with DVD. I never said Toshiba didn't want to be successful with HD-DVD, but if they hadn't came up with/pushed the format that would've meant BR would've come in unchallenged and thus prematurely put DVD out to pasture...a format that is STILL the top money maker for movie studios & CE companies alike and will still give them a good chunk for a couple more years.
AltogetherAndrews said:They really should have known better though
DopeyFish said:Microsoft has stated that if blu-ray is chosen, they will release a blu-ray addon if needed
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142137.html
topsyturvy said:maybe because i actually believe that warner supporting bluray exclusively won't sell ps3s???
Oh and, please stop while you're ahead. you sound like an annoying psychiatrist thats obviously wrong.
DopeyFish said:Microsoft has stated that if blu-ray is chosen, they will release a blu-ray addon if needed
if Universal jumps ship, then i'm jumping in and picking up a blu-ray player
i didn't want to pick up either just in case - warner really set the groundwork for a blu-ray victory however it's not over yet... but it's close
Doubledex said:It was over a long time ago
UntoldDreams said:Actually you do come off pretty one sided. Intentional or not.
Being GAF that's not out of the norm mind you, but if you dislike Sony its not hurtful for your reputation to simply say something like "I dislike them winning".
Yes, Disney/Fox/Sony and now Warner make up most of the industry, I don't know what others think but even before Warner it never looked too promising for HD DVD with 0 movies from those studios.AltogetherAndrews said:They really should have known better though
harSon said:Doesn't this announcement hurt the chance of a lower cost standalone Blu Ray player anytime soon? Fierce competition was about the only way we were going to get an affordable standalone player anytime soon IMO.
DopeyFish said:no, it wasn't.
sales of discs don't matter for shit at this time. it's all about the standalones. As long as there is more people with units, they know that their movies will sell. (i don't travel into BRD/HD DVD threads simply because half the people don't understand this concept, which sane studios like Paramount/Universal/Warner use)
HD-DVD was DOMINATING until november/december when a couple bad months really fucked them over (warner's deciding point).
it was basically a tie up until warner going "bwahahahaha suckers"
harSon said:Doesn't this announcement hurt the chance of a lower cost standalone Blu Ray player anytime soon? Fierce competition was about the only way we were going to get an affordable standalone player anytime soon IMO.
neojubei said:Dominating what? tie? On what? Have you been to the HD-DVD/Blu-ray forum in the OT?
DrGAKMAN said:Hate to quote myself again...
It was clear to anyone with foreknowledge that BR was eventually gonna "win" and that even before the formats were launched Toshiba didn't have an agenda of creating a successful next-gen HD format...they instead had an agenda to compete (thus confuse, cripple & delay) with BRD (as the format was called then). Even when Paramount went over the outlook was still bleak for HD-DVD. Toshiba's efforts all along really seem futile...and beg the question why? Because they wanted to prolong DVD as the dominant format so as to make money on it for as long as they could.
Look at the original BRD specs too...recordable, encased, totally different manufacturing processes that would've destroyed the laxed comfort Toshiba made itself with the DVD format...if BRD would've went unchallenged it would've hurt DVD, thusToshiba and probably the rest of the industry as well.
neojubei said:Dominating what? tie? On what? Have you been to the HD-DVD/Blu-ray forum in the OT?
radioheadrule83 said:If HD-DVD camp has no response to this and the war is truly over (ie. if it means I can one day get things like Battlestar Galactica on BluRay for example) then yeah, it's very positive for Sony in the long run...
but in the short term topsyturvys not saying anything thats too far out there really. When all this hopefulness and ken kutaragi picture posting dies down, when will this announcement be reflected in NPD?
neojubei said:Dominating what? tie? On what? Have you been to the HD-DVD/Blu-ray forum in the OT?
There was a week blu-ray sold more than HD-DVD and there wasn't anything new released for blu-ray only hd-dvd. (I should note it was at the same time blu-ray had the B1G1 free sale)
harSon said:Doesn't this announcement hurt the chance of a lower cost standalone Blu Ray player anytime soon? Fierce competition was about the only way we were going to get an affordable standalone player anytime soon IMO.
your point... they can still put their discs into their HDDVD palyers and watch them, this just sucks if they spent shit loads on individual discs as they will soon be lower cost.AltogetherAndrews said:They really should have known better though
DrGAKMAN said:Hate to quote myself again...
Truespeed said:I just wonder how the Toshiba board of directors took the news when they they found out that their intention was to never win the HD format war, but to invest Billions in R&D and manufacturing plants just to delay it.
Ponn01 said:Don't fall for it. He's setting you up in the classic HD-DVD fanboy trap of using standalone player numbers only (not counting PS3 sales) and ignoring software sales.
DON'T FALL FOR IT! Just run away.
According to Sanders, however, Warner's decision was driven by consumer behavior, more than an expectation of resolving the format war.
"Its hard for us to speculate about impact this will have on the format war. All we can do really is make the best decision for our business and the rest of it will really take care of itself, in time," he said. "One of the things you see in the NPD data for this fourth quarter was that even with a $100 [price] premium, Blu-ray set tops outsold HD set tops in December. Even with Toshiba having the lowest-cost player in the market, software sales remained 2 to 1 in favor of Blu-ray."
The studio certainly wouldn't mind if it did help resolve the format war, however.