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thirty said:
Those were truly my favorite parts of the fight, although Pacquiao does this in every fight. This was no ordinary fight, though, and Pac was taking some decent hooks to the head and body in these exchanges on the ropes. The way Pac would let him throw his 5 punch flurry, then quickly roll off and shoot a 2-3-4-5 punch flurry is awesome though. That was the ultimate turning point for me....when he was able to take Cotto's best shots against the ropes, then come back and floor him with (basically) one big uppercut. I said it earlier in this thread....never go against Pacquiao.
He looks stronger now than he did in destroying Morales and Barrera....that is a scary thought.
Jamesfrom818
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see5harp said:
Of course he's stronger. He did go up in weight. I think the scary thing is that he retained his speed which is something Marquez couldn't do in his fight against Mayweather.
Mecha_Infantry
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thirty said:
Pacman said the punches did hurt, but he was pretending they didn't so he could break Cotto. He also said the 1st round was all about measuring up Cotto and seeing where he can get in.
Check his post fight interview when he is wearing a hat, it's all there
liquid_gears
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Mecha_Infantry said:
:lol
Of course they fucking hurt. Nevertheless, his legs were solid and he never looked to be in any trouble whatsoever after the first round.
Show me a boxer that doesn't pretend that punches don't hurt.
pretending that the punches don't hurt is one thing, putting your back against the ropes and letting your opponent give his best shots "as a strategy" is pure insanity if you ask me. that's some legendary ali shit there. but i can see why pac did it, "give me your best, now it's my turn." cotto obviously couldn't take pac's best and his spirit broke and went into "don't knock me the fuck out" mode.liquid_gears said:
how the fuck is pac gonna bait mayweather to trade punches with him though is the question?
Mecha_Infantry
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liquid_gears said:
thirty said:
You answered his post the best. Of course the punches hurt, but boxing is about hitting and not getting hit. This is some old school rope-a-dope affair here, I have seen boxers TRY and pretend their opponents punches didn't hurt, and had their shit ruined. But Pacquiao DELIBERATELY stayed on the ropes, took ALL the shots, primarily not even to wear him out, but to see if his strength was as the Cotto camp said...
Manny Pacquiao's Wapakman trailer: http://twitchfilm.net/news/2009/11/...a-giant-crab-in-the-full-wapakman-trailer.php
So ridiculous :lol
So ridiculous :lol
BakedPigeon
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harSon said:
The looks so horrible. LOL at the music.
ragingadamo
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harSon said:
Hahahahah thats hilarious, DAY 1!!!:lol :lol
Can't even describe how awesome it was being their live... lots of energy during that fight.
Got some pics:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=124799&id=736743338&l=16d4b3c299
Got some pics:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=124799&id=736743338&l=16d4b3c299
ragingadamo
Neo Member
DarienA said:
Those are some good pics, it looks like you had pretty good seats. If you don't mind me asking what was the ballpark figure of what you paid for em?
thirty said:
It's gotta be 50/50 imo.
They're each not going to get that kind of cash doing a couple of fights against other contenders so I have to think who ever won't agree to 50/50 doesn't really want the fight.
theBishop said:
I don't see Floyd knocking Pacman out, but I think one reason Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's shots was he saw most of them coming and braced himself.
Mayweather will have to use his quickness and defense to counter Manny when he's slighty off balance.
Also, Mayweather may have to be a bit more offensive minded just because judges will prefer Manny's style of constant attacks even if Floyd is catching them on his gloves, shoulders, or rolling with the punches.
ragingadamo
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Mayweather's response to Pacquiao's win.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271552671?bctid=50447376001
Not a surprising response in the slightest, same old Money Mayweather!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271552671?bctid=50447376001
Not a surprising response in the slightest, same old Money Mayweather!
ragingadamo said:Mayweather's response to Pacquiao's win.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271552671?bctid=50447376001
Not a surprising response in the slightest, same old Money Mayweather!
Get em Floyd :lol
Ninja Scooter
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i like Manny but im done doubting PBF. I think he'll pick Manny apart like he does to anyone. He's just too good. The guy fights like a machine.
Jamesfrom818
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Mayweather is looking at Manny dodging the question the wrong way. Mayweather is looking at the situation as if he is still the best in the game. He could very well still be but at this moment, Manny is the consensus pound-for-pound best so why should he go challenge Mayweather? Mayweather should be the one to challenge Manny.
J Tourettes
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I have the PBF - Pacman fight as 75/25 in favour of a Mayweather victory. Even though PBF sometimes has trouble with southpaws, I still see him countering Manny all night. Marquez beat Manny twice IMO so I'd be extremely surprised if Manny pulled off the victory.
That's not to say that he won't have his moments but I think they'll be few and far between.
That's not to say that he won't have his moments but I think they'll be few and far between.
jerrymaguire
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is there such a thing as, which outcome would benefit the world of boxing more if Manny does fight PBF?? Anyone like to answer this question?
J Tourettes
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jerrymaguire said:
I think the outcome for boxing as a whole is irrelevant as I believe the victor (and possibly the loser as well) will retire.
talisayNon
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Zep said:
Not. Going. To. Happen.
MGM will pay whatever it takes to get this fight there. Too much money to be made.
ragingadamo said:
They were average seats, my camera just has a good zoom. (Canon FTW).
Seats were $300/piece.
BTW MGM Garden Arena... nice arena... horrible fuckin entrance and exit.... the entire arena routed through through two sets of double doors, through a pretty small walkway back out to the casino considering the size of the Arena... was TERRIBLE trying to get out of that place... first and last time we'll see a fight live there....
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Marquez hasn't been the same fighter really moving up in weight, so I dunno how much stock you can put into that. Whereas Manny seems to have least retained his speed, footwork, and power moving up, and he has also improved his skill overall since his fights with Marquez.J Tourettes said:
ragingadamo said:Mayweather's response to Pacquiao's win.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271552671?bctid=50447376001
Not a surprising response in the slightest, same old Money Mayweather!
He has a point about the positives being purely on Pacquiao's side outside of the money.
J Tourettes
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XiaNaphryz said:
I'm not sure how this is relevant to my post as I wasn't using the analogy that PBF beat Marquez, Marquez beat PAC (in my eyes) so therefore PBF beats Pac, as we all know that that's not how boxing works.
My point was that Marquez is a counter-puncher, as is PBF and look at the success Marquez had with that style against Pac.
gollumsluvslave
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That's true, but Manny is a vastly improved, more complete boxer since his fights with Marquez imo.
Does anyone really think that if there was a 3rd fight that it play out similar to the previous 2? I certainly couldn't see that happening.
Manny answered a lot of questions for me with such a demolition of Cotto, it really makes a fight with Mayweather a pick-em for me and would come down to intangibles.
It really is best offense vs best defense, and hugely intriguing!
Not really if he wants to get back the #1 Pound For Pound ranking. Cos Manny is rightfully number 1 PFP.
In other stuff, another cracking fight this Saturday with Kessler vs Ward. I expect Kessler to win, but Ward is a dark horse - Dirrell did better than I expected against Froch and Ward might surprise me as well.
J Tourettes
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gollumsluvslave said:That's true, but Manny is a vastly improved, more complete boxer since his fights with Marquez imo.
Does anyone really think that if there was a 3rd fight that it play out similar to the previous 2? I certainly couldn't see that happening.
Manny answered a lot of questions for me with such a demolition of Cotto, it really makes a fight with Mayweather a pick-em for me and would come down to intangibles.
It really is best offense vs best defense, and hugely intriguing!
Not really if he wants to get back the #1 Pound For Pound ranking. Cos Manny is rightfully number 1 PFP.
In other stuff, another cracking fight this Saturday with Kessler vs Ward. I expect Kessler to win, but Ward is a dark horse - Dirrell did better than I expected against Froch and Ward might surprise me as well.
Really? Vastly improved since the second Marquez? We've not seen him in with another skilled counter-puncher so it's hard to judge. I'm as impressed as anyone with his showing against Cotto but to say that a fight with PBF and Pac is a pick 'em is a step too far for me. I can see PBF pot-shotting all night, Pac getting frustrated in the later rounds and getting tagged even more.
I'd love to see Pac win to shut Mayweather up so then more people will be openly doubting his legacy but I just can't see it
Mayweather will go down as the biggest waste of talent of all time in my eyes with his current CV.
gollumsluvslave said:
There's nothing he can do to Manny that hasn't already been done to him. He can knock him to the canvas, beat him by decision, or knock him out and it won't really mean anything considering the fact that it has all happened before. On the flip side; Mayweather has never been knocked down, lost a fight, or knocked out. In Pacquiao's case, a win over Mayweather would be historic, while a win for Mayweather will be seen as little more than another solid win.
J Tourettes
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harSon said:
There's always an excuse for Floyd not to fight someone...
J Tourettes said:
All smart Champions pick and choose their opponents. Why didn't Pacquiao fight Mosley, Margarito, Berto, Paul Williams, etc?
I still don't get why Mayweather receives little credit for defeating Hatton and De La Hoya while Pacquiao simultaniously gets his dick slobbered for doing the same.
Mayweather will NEVER fight Paul Williams because he KNOWS he'll lose.
Pacquiao has basically taken on all comers within reason.
Pacquiao also demolished DLH and Hatton in a way Mayweather couldn't.... all while being smaller.
I don't think Pacman could beat Mayweather, because Mayweather won't engage... but I think Pacman has bigger balls and more heart than him.
Pacquiao has basically taken on all comers within reason.
Pacquiao also demolished DLH and Hatton in a way Mayweather couldn't.... all while being smaller.
I don't think Pacman could beat Mayweather, because Mayweather won't engage... but I think Pacman has bigger balls and more heart than him.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Well, he's only had 2 matches so far in the weight class going back to a year ago, with the Hatton one in-between at a lower weight-class to continue the whole "collect a title at each weight class" thing. So when would he have had any real opportunity to fight all those guys? Plus the first matchup with DLH was understandable as a "test the waters" fight, considering just 6 months before he was fighting 2 weight classes below (and 3 weight classes below if you go back 8-9 months before).harSon said:
If Manny does stay up at this weight class, he'll have to end up fighting at least some of those guys.
ImperialConquest said:
You're part of the problem. Pacquiao and Mayweather are two completely different boxers, one is an offensive brawler while the other is a defensive counter-puncher. It's not that Mayweather couldn't beat Hatton and DLH like Pacquiao has, his boxing style simply doesn't allow it. This is the problem with all sports, from a spectators standpoint, Offense is always more electrifying than Defense resulting in skewed rankings.
harSon said:
...And that does not answer the question of why Mayweather refuses to fight good bigger guys who actually pose a threat.
All I'm saying is that Pacquiao faces bigger challenges than Mayweather. I don't think you can deny that.
Again, I don't think Mayweather can be beat. He's too good at what he does. Especially when the fighter he faces really doesnt even pose a danger to begin with.
Paul Williams or bust.
ImperialConquest said:
He's not going to fight anyone who doesn't have a giant price tag attached to their ear, get over it. IF fighting Paul Williams was worth a huge pay day, and he isn't, then Mayweather would most likely fight him at some point. The only people I see Mayweather fighting is Pacquiao and Mosley (or Andre Berto) if he manages to become a household name again. Maybe Cotto but I doubt it considering his reputation as a fighter has taken a massive hit.
gollumsluvslave
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Sorry, but that ignores the official P4P rankings.
If PBF wants to claim the title of #1 P4P fighter in the world today, he will have to beat Manny.
If that isn't enough motivation for Floyd he needs to accept that fact he ain't #1 P4P anymore.
Quite simple, and knowing his ego I expect it to be motivation enough for him to commit to the fight.
J Tourettes
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harSon said:
Mayweather gets little credit from me for beating Hatton because it wasn't at Hatton's best weight, thereby tilting the odds in PBF's favour. Hatton had only fought at Welter once previously and that was in his much disputed win against Collazo, where the light hitting Collazo had Hatton out on his feet in the twelfth.
As for the DLH fight, most people were expecting PBF to win against the part-timer and he did, in a boring split decision win.
Pacman was widely tipped to lose against DLH (many people were criticising DLH for picking on a smaller man) but Manny went out there and destroyed him.
harSon said:
Oh, you're one of those 'fans'.
J Tourettes
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gollumsluvslave said:
P4P is a subjective rankings list, nothing official about it. Having said that, I'd have Manny there on current achievements, seeing as PBF 'retired' thereby defaulting his place at the top of the tree.
As I've said before, there's no doubt in my mind that this fight will take place but I'm fully expecting a dominant performance from PBF. Detractors won't be able to use the 'He beat a smaller man excuse' as Pac has now proved that he belongs at Welter having destroyed the consensus number one at that weight (in a lot of peoples eyes).
Mayweather tries to use the "he got knocked down, knocked out, lost to old fighters" argument to belittle Pacquiao and give reasons why the fight wouldn't make sense. Yes, Pac man doesn't have a perfect record (this goes for many great current day fighters including Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr., Eric Morales, Barrera, etc., etc. etc.). But then Floyd has fought plenty of fighters with imperfect records like Zab Judah and De La Hoya.
He claims that Pacquiao is a yes man and doesn't pick his own fights. We've all heard Floyd defer comments to his management team and Leonard Ellerbe. I love Floyd as a fighter, but he needs to stop acting like he's the smartest guy in the room. News flash Floyd...no one gives you respect because you have no knockout power and no one likes you outside of hardcore boxing fans. No one respects him because with him there's no reciprocity.
He claims that Pacquiao is a yes man and doesn't pick his own fights. We've all heard Floyd defer comments to his management team and Leonard Ellerbe. I love Floyd as a fighter, but he needs to stop acting like he's the smartest guy in the room. News flash Floyd...no one gives you respect because you have no knockout power and no one likes you outside of hardcore boxing fans. No one respects him because with him there's no reciprocity.
J Tourettes
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see5harp said:
How could I have not mentioned that? Fighting Zab immediately after he lost to a journeyman :lol
PBF on fighting Mosley and Pacquiao not calling him out
You can be a perfectly fine boxer with little knockout power. His dismantled JMM with his speed and defense. It had nothing to do with power or size. Saying Pacquiao is one dimensional and trying to call out Bernard Hopkins isn't really helping his image though. I don't find a reason to defend Floyd from the casual fans, because he gives me no reason to. He complains that he gets no respect. Well respect doesn't pay your million dollar light bills Floyd. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.
