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[brianjones]

What makes you think he's gonna cook again? serious question, btw.
I hadn't even considered the idea before.

i don't think he would.. and even less so for jesse

from their characters perspective it doesnt make much sense

but if it's "just what they do" and it's the premise of the show who knows

i'm sure they could come up with something about walt's ego not letting him leave the game.

how else they gonna fill out 16 episodes

 

[WillyFive]

how else they gonna fill out 16 episodes

They might try to clean up their mess as Hank continues to look for Eisenburg, as well as dealing with the consequences of a mob boss like Gus dying.

 

[Oreoleo]

Cool, so lazy writing.

I think the last shot of Gus, at least in the eyes of the writers, is worth more than worrying about the exact blast radius of the bomb and precisely how it would impact Gus. It's called artistic liberty. The point you are trying to make seems kind of petty. If you want to talk about lazy writing, let's discuss the minutiae involved with Walt poisoning Brock and how literally all of it happened off camera.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Cool, so lazy writing.

Actually you can see by the busted wheelchair that it exploded up not straight ahead.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Actually you can see by the busted wheelchair that it exploded up not straight ahead.

I'm not one to get into semantics, but Gus was between Hector (the bomb) and the door. The door went flying outward...

 

[Stet]

I think the last shot of Gus, at least in the eyes of the writers, is worth more than worrying about the exact blast radius of the bomb and precisely how it would impact Gus. It's called artistic liberty. The point you are trying to make seems kind of petty. If you want to talk about lazy writing, let's discuss the minutiae involved with Walt poisoning Brock and how literally all of it happened off camera.

Oh, I already talked about that even before we knew the ending for sure. I'm just finding this focus on "cool moments" in the finale to be irksome.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

The point you are trying to make seems kind of petty. If you want to talk about lazy writing, let's discuss the minutiae involved with Walt poisoning Brock and how literally all of it happened off camera.

Apart from if it happened on camera it wouldn't have been a reveal... Not forgetting that Saul clearly had access to Brock and the point when Jessie's pack of cigarettes got switched was on camera.

 

[Puddles]

If the show ends with Walt getting killed or arrested, that will be the jump the shark moment.

I don't see how this show works if Walt doesn't come out clean and with his family intact in the end.

 

[Oreoleo]

Oh, I already talked about that even before we knew the ending for sure. I'm just finding this focus on "cool moments" in the finale to be irksome.

It was certainly out of character for the show, I'll give you that.

Apart from if it happened on camera it wouldn't have been a reveal... Not forgetting that Saul clearly had access to them and the point that Jessie's pack of cigarettes got switched was on camera.

Perhaps I should have worded that better. The time line for everything regarding that is sort of murky and ultimately the response from the writers is "It happened, one way or another. Deal with it." Maybe I should take my own advice and accept it as artistic liberty but it's the one aspect of the finale that sorta rubs me the wrong way.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

If the show ends with Walt getting killed or arrested, that will be the jump the shark moment.

I don't see how this show works if Walt doesn't come out clean and with his family intact in the end.

You're hilarious, you know that right?

 

[Technosteve]

If the show ends with Walt getting killed or arrested, that will be the jump the shark moment.

I don't see how this show works if Walt doesn't come out clean and with his family intact in the end.

The fuck? I fully expect walt to die, and to see what happens to his family and jesse if he lives

 

[Ikuu]

If the show ends with Walt getting killed or arrested, that will be the jump the shark moment.

I don't see how this show works if Walt doesn't come out clean and with his family intact in the end.

I was about to reply then I saw who posted this, lol.

 

[mattiewheels]

Cool, so lazy writing.

The way I see that final shot of Gus' is as a VERY stylized curtain call. I cringed when I saw it originally, but I tried to think of a better way to close that scene (and his character) and think what they did works pretty well in many ways, if I see it as something kinda divorced from reality for a moment.

 

[The Hermit]

lol

It wasn't out of character for Walt to do, but it made no sense logistically or rationally. And it was a really cheap move by the writers (how often does Walt do something significant off screen?). But it still makes more sense than Gus poisoning Brock.

Walt, you didn't win, you piece of shit. Just wait until next season.

e: if it turns out Saul/Huell pickpocketed Jesse, that's just fucking retarded. I jokingly suggested that last week. If that turns out to be true... ugh.

e2: lol when Walt asks his neighbor to check on his house. as if it wasn't obvious enough that walt was being a huge asshole by endangering innocent people, the writers make her an elderly lady ... with a cane. we get it.

I found amusing the fact she is actually Vince mom!!

Also I loved the fact they decided to let Walt poison the kid with a "less" fatal poison than ricin... that way some people would still see his act "understandable".

 

[shadyspace]

The way I see that final shot of Gus' is as a VERY stylized curtain call. I cringed when I saw it originally, but I tried to think of a better way to close that scene (and his character) and think what they did works pretty well in many ways, if I see it as something kinda divorced from reality for a moment.

Have him walk out in a stilted fashion, seemingly unharmed, have the clothing around his abdominal area begin to turn red, quickly bleeds out, dies.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

I expected a lot more hate on Two-Faced Gus. I still can't get over how bad it was. It pretty much ruined the episode for me, honestly.

 

[Fry]

I expected a lot more hate on Two-Faced Gus. I still can't get over how bad it was. It pretty much ruined the episode for me, honestly.

I expected me to hate it when I saw it, but I didn't.
After seeing the spoiler pic I thought it would be lame and ruin the episode, like you, but I actually liked it.

 

[Snuggles]

The way I see that final shot of Gus' is as a VERY stylized curtain call. I cringed when I saw it originally, but I tried to think of a better way to close that scene (and his character) and think what they did works pretty well in many ways, if I see it as something kinda divorced from reality for a moment.

Agreed. It may have been more realistic if it was just a quick cut to a pile of goop that used to be Gus, but they decided to give him one last 'Gus' moment before he bowed out. It was a little over the top, but not worth getting hung up on. Plus, his exploded face looked pretty awesome.

 

[kehs]

Agreed. It may have been more realistic if it was just a quick cut to a pile of goop that used to be Gus, but they decided to give him one last 'Gus' moment before he bowed out. It was a little over the top, but not worth getting hung up on. Plus, his exploded face looked pretty awesome.

Why would it be a pile of goop? It wasn't an A bomb that went off. It was a pipe bomb fueled by the oxygen tank behind the chair.

It was 5 feet from him at least.

 

[Charmicarmicat]

+1 on that. It was shocking, funny and crazy at the same time , that's what breaking bad is all about

+2. When something makes me jump up out of my chair and start shouting and freaking out, I really couldn't give a fuck about realism. Sometimes symbolism is much more important.

 

[Learn2read]

So contrived

 

[Fry]

The plane crash was still worse than Gus death.

 

[D4Danger]

The plane crash was still worse than Gus death.

absolutely. I very nearly stopped watching this show because of that.

just awful.

 

[water_wendi]

So contrived

When he walks out of the room, adjusts his tie, then falls over dead, yes that is contrived and stupid.

The plane crash was still worse than Gus death.

Agreed.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

It's amazing how people in this thread are using spoilers for their own theories but can't use spoilers for The Shield. The logic, there is none.

 

[Learn2read]

When he walks out of the room, adjusts his tie, then falls over dead, yes that is contrived and stupid.

He was in shock and people do random weird things in situations like that. He probably had no idea where he was or what just happened. OCD Gus naturally just wandering out and unconsciously adjusted his clothes (which we've seen a million times before). Not "contrived".

When the soldier in Saving Private Ryan got shelled and lost his arm and just picked it up and wandered around in the open while fire was still incoming...was that contrived?

 

[UrbanRats]

I expected me to hate it when I saw it, but I didn't.
After seeing the spoiler pic I thought it would be lame and ruin the episode, like you, but I actually liked it.

Similar.
I still think it's a bitt TOO much, but not as much as i feared.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

What an amazing episode. So glad I waited for the WEBDL version, this was one of the best episodes of television ive ever seen. Season 5 > Time to buy another Rv.

Quick Question which has probably has been answered already.

Spoiler

Tio set the bomb off right? He had no bell and was pressing the trigger to ignite the bomb getting revenge on Gus?

 

[q_q]

The plane crash was still worse than Gus death.

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

 

[UrbanRats]

What an amazing episode. So glad I waited for the WEBDL version, this was one of the best episodes of television ive ever seen. Season 5 > Time to buy another Rv.

Quick Question which has probably has been answered already.

Spoiler

Tio set the bomb off right? He had no bell and was pressing the trigger to ignite the bomb getting revenge on Gus?

Yes (to the spoilered part).

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

BB has never been that kind of realistic, down to earth show.
The Wire was, but BB has always been about thrilling entertainment, reality skewed in favor of excitement.

The twins trying to kill Hank was amazing television, the tension was through the roof and stylistically coherent, with the rest of the show.

 

[Snuggles]

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

The different is that the plane crash is a major plot point, while Gus's death is just a brief, over-stylized moment. I don't see how they're even comparable.

 

[q_q]

The different is that the plane crash is a major plot point, while Gus's death is just a brief, over-stylized moment. I don't see how they're even comparable.

Well in that way yeah. I thought the debate was over the inconceivability of the events themselves.

 

[Puddles]

Team Walt. The guy was dying and did what he had to to provide for his family. As things got out of control he did what he had to to survive. He's not evil, he's any of us in that same fucked-up situation. That's the genius of the show, it shows what everyday people can be capable of when they get out of their depth.

Gary fucking Whitta.

I'm gonna go buy a copy of The Book of Eli just because of this post.

 

[kehs]

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

No, it's not literally impossible.

 

[Snuggles]

Well in that way yeah. I thought the debate was over the inconceivability of the events themselves.

Ah, gotcha. I don't disagree with that.

 

[Grinchy]

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

I'm not a medical professional or a ballistics expert. Mind explaining why this was physically impossible?

 

[q_q]

No, it's not literally impossible.

Really? Explain to me how it's possible for one person to be completely blown apart by a bomb but a person one foot away from him with no barrier somehow has his entire body in tact and has the ability, despite a grievous wound to the head that too off half of his face, to get up, calmly walk away, and adjust his tie before finally dying. Explain that to me.

 

[KHarvey16]

Nothing about it was likely, but also nothing about it was impossible.

 

[| Praxis |]

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

I watched a video recently of helmet cam footage from Afghanistan where an ANA soldier steps on an IED. He essentially suffers very similar wounds to Gus, half his face is missing exposing the bone. In reality this cavity fills with blood quickly, but who's to say what effect the explosive Walt used would have on the wound. The ANA soldier would've also been standing up, probably running around holding what's left of his face if US troops weren't there to hold him down and give him medical attention. Yes the CGI was a bit dodgy but impossible, no.

Edit: I just remembered the ANA soldiers left leg was blown off, so no, he wouldn't be running. Oh well

 

[daw840]

Would anyone be willing to make me a new avatar with half a face?

 

[kehs]

Really? Explain to me how it's possible for one person to be completely blown apart by a bomb but a person one foot away from him with no barrier somehow has his entire body in tact and has the ability, despite a grievous wound to the head that too off half of his face, to get up, calmly walk away, and adjust his tie before finally dying. Explain that to me.

The bomb was under tio. Tio was the barrier.

You clearly see Gus react and start moving away from tio. That explains the two face look.

10 seconds of life and his obvious look of daze, that's called shock.

Feel free to go look through some gore videos if you want to see the kind of crazy shit people can live through.

 

[q_q]

BB has never been that kind of realistic, down to earth show.
The Wire was, but BB has always been about thrilling entertainment, reality skewed in favor of excitement.

The twins trying to kill Hank was amazing television, the tension was through the roof and stylistically coherent, with the rest of the show.

I understand that, and I have no problem with it. Just contributing to the discussion a bit. Gus's death was terrible but it didn't ruin the episode for me. BB is a wonderfully written show with great characters and great plot progression. Every now and then though you have to suspend your disbelief to a certain degree. You either dig it or you don't, but it's at least worth discussing.

 

[| Praxis |]

Would anyone be willing to make me a new avatar with half a face?

I'd hate to be reading this forum half way through the series if you did.

 

[KHarvey16]

This reminds me of the story about Hank Williams Jr. Dude fell off a mountain and had his skull split from his hairline to his chin. His brain was exposed and he held his shit together with his own hands.

 

[Grinchy]

Would anyone be willing to make me a new avatar with half a face?

lol herp derp

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

What the hell is wrong with you people, moaning that Gus didn't die realistically. BB is a great show that's masterfully written, let the goddamn writers have some fun. Nobody watches the show for the science, right?

 

[| Praxis |]

lol herp derp

lol

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Really? Explain to me how it's possible for one person to be completely blown apart by a bomb but a person one foot away from him with no barrier somehow has his entire body in tact and has the ability, despite a grievous wound to the head that too off half of his face, to get up, calmly walk away, and adjust his tie before finally dying. Explain that to me.

Weren't you just saying Gus' death was impossible? Now you're saying it's not just possible, but it should've been even swifter.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Nothing about it was likely, but also nothing about it was impossible.

Still, it's a poor argument. Even in the small chance that something like that happens, WHY INCLUDE IT IN THE SHOW? What the fuck was Vince thinking?

 

[Learn2read]

People act like he beat death and marched out of the hospital gunning for Walt with a demon skull face instead of y'know, dying a few moments after the explosion.