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[daw840]

I'd hate to be reading this forum half way through the series if you did.

Yeah....that's a valid point.

lol herp derp

I knew someone would do this.....

 

[| Praxis |]

Still, it's a poor argument. Even in the small chance that something like that happens, WHY INCLUDE IT IN THE SHOW? What the fuck was Vince thinking?

I thought it was ok, he had already done some epic terminator shit. It will at least go down as a memorable death for such a memorable villain.

 

[Fry]

What the hell is wrong with you people, moaning that Gus didn't die realistically. BB is a great show that's masterfully written, let the goddamn writers have some fun. Nobody watches the show for the science, right?

I agree.

 

[KHarvey16]

Still, it's a poor argument. Even in the small chance that something like that happens, WHY INCLUDE IT IN THE SHOW? What the fuck was Vince thinking?

Are you kidding me? Now not only do the scenarios in a fictional television show have to be realistic, they have to be probable as well? How probable is ANY OF THIS SHOW? If Vince Gilligan sat down and wrote a probable season of Breaking Bad, it would be Walter White dying of cancer as a depressed chemistry teacher. Talk about entertainment!

 

[q_q]

The bomb was under tio. Tio was the barrier.

You clearly see Gus react and start moving away from tio. That explains the two face look.

10 seconds of life and his obvious look of daze, that's called shock.

Feel free to go look through some gore videos if you want to see the kind of crazy shit people can live through.

I can't believe that the explosion was that powerful to blow the door off its hinges a good ten or twelve feet away, but not powerful enough to at least dismember Gus and kill him instantly. Shock is believable sure, but I don't see how he'd have the cognitive ability to get up and walk away since his head obviously took the main force of the explosion. I don't see how that would not instantly cause catastrophic brain damage that would at least render him unable to move and coordinate, if not knock him unconscious immediately.

Weren't you just saying Gus' death was impossible? Now you're saying it's not just possible, but it should've been even swifter.

No I meant that his body being in tact and having the ability to walk away was impossible, not the fact that he was killed by an explosion.

Anyway, I'm not sure I want to continue this discussion because people are going to come into this thread and view me as some troll. I'm not, I love this show. Just pointing out some shit that didn't make any sense. Not saying it ruined the show or should have been removed.

 

[shadyspace]

What the hell is wrong with you people, moaning that Gus didn't die realistically. BB is a great show that's masterfully written, let the goddamn writers have some fun. Nobody watches the show for the science, right?

Are you kidding me? Let them have some fun? What are they, grade schoolers? This is these peoples' jobs. Fuck fun. Do your goddamn job correctly.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Are you kidding me? Now not only do the scenarios in a fictional television show have to be realistic, they have to be probable as well? How probable is ANY OF THIS SHOW? If Vince Gilligan sat down and wrote a probable season of Breaking Bad, it would be Walter White dying of cancer as a depressed chemistry teacher. Talk about entertainment!

It's one thing to have a decapitated head on an exploding turtle. It's another to have a main character have his final moments be adjusting his tie with half his face missing. It was shit, even Lost had more class than that. They could have come up with 100 different scenarios more iconic and memorable than that without going to the extreme.

 

[KHarvey16]

I can't believe that the explosion was that powerful to blow the door off its hinges a good ten or twelve feet away, but not powerful enough to at least dismember Gus and kill him instantly. Shock is believable sure, but I don't see how he'd have the cognitive ability to get up and walk away since his head obviously took the main force of the explosion. I don't see how that would not instantly cause catastrophic brain damage that would at least render him unable to move and coordinate, if not knock him unconscious immediately.

Simple question: why do you deem yourself capable of determining what is and what is not realistic or possible in this situation? Do you feel common sense applies to explosions? What assumptions have you made, and why do you feel they are justified?

If we want to discuss realism, I'll have that discussion with you, but no one wants me to have that discussion with you. (because it's a tv show, dammit.)

 

[| Praxis |]

Simple question: why do you deem yourself capable of determining what is and what is not realistic or possible in this situation? Do you feel common sense applies to explosions? What assumptions have you made, and why do you feel they are justified?

If we want to discuss realism, I'll have that discussion with you, but no one wants me to have that discussion with you. (because it's a tv show, dammit.)

Artistic license bitches! Deal with it

 

[shadyspace]

It's one thing to have a decapitated head on an exploding turtle. It's another to have a main character have his final moments be adjusting his tie with half his face missing. It was shit, even Lost had more class than that. They could have come up with 100 different scenarios more iconic and memorable than that without going to the extreme.

Even if it was just the stilted walk and then him dropping to the ground, it would have been maybe a tad much but I still would have been fine with it. Having him adjust his tie (OMGZ WHAT A BADASS) was so fucking self-indulgent and irresponsible.

 

[Learn2read]

It's one thing to have a decapitated head on an exploding turtle. It's another to have a main character have his final moments be adjusting his tie with half his face missing. It was shit, even Lost had more class than that. They could have come up with 100 different scenarios more iconic and memorable than that without going to the extreme.

Why does everyone keep talking like this was some conscious action on Gus' part?

 

[KHarvey16]

irresponsible.

!?

 

[kehs]

I can't believe that the explosion was that powerful to blow the door off its hinges a good ten or twelve feet away, but not powerful enough to at least dismember Gus and kill him instantly. Shock is believable sure, but I don't see how he'd have the cognitive ability to get up and walk away since his head obviously took the main force of the explosion. I don't see how that would not instantly cause catastrophic brain damage that would at least render him unable to move and coordinate, if not knock him unconscious immediately.

Pretty sure he died from internal injuries cause the massive pressure of the explosion.

Unless......Walt gave him ricin....

 

[markot]

You morons seem to completely ignore that dark humour is part of the series since the first episode >.<

Stop being such drama queens.

Bet you guys were annoyed by the bomb bit in Dr Strangelove too. 'OMG DONT ACT LIKE THAT ON A NUKE HOW INDULGENT!'

Burn!

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Why does everyone keep talking like this was some conscious action on Gus' part?

We're talking like this was a conscious action on the writer's part.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

You morons seem to completely ignore that dark humour is part of the series since the first episode >.<

Stop being such drama queens.

Walt taking a gun out of a bag and taking the bag downstairs to murder Krazy 8 instead of the gun is black humor. John Travolta shooting Marvin in the face in accident is black humor. Fargo is black humor. Gus walking out of a room with half his face missing and adjusting his tie is fancition level shit.

 

[| Praxis |]

We're talking like this was a conscious action on the writer's part.

I suppose the writers assumed we, the audience were mature enough to deal with some tongue in cheek humour. Huh guess they were wrong

 

[q_q]

You morons seem to completely ignore that dark humour is part of the series since the first episode >.<

Stop being such drama queens.

Bet you guys were annoyed by the bomb bit in Dr Strangelove too. 'OMG DONT ACT LIKE THAT ON A NUKE HOW INDULGENT!'

Burn!

Why are we not allowed to talk about it? Can't we admit that it fits in with the show's themes but still have a problem with how it was coordinated and carried out? Why do we have to love every aspect of the show or none at all?

 

[Learn2read]

We're talking like this was a conscious action on the writer's part.

We've already seen he's needlessly obsessive about things like his clothing (taking off his coat and gently folding it when he's in the cartel's bathroom). It's not wild to hear someone in a state of shock say/do things completely unimportant to the mortal wound they just suffered.

 

[PBY]

Walt taking a gun out of a bag and taking the bag downstairs to murder Krazy 8 instead of the gun is black humor. John Travolta shooting Marvin in the face in accident is black humor. Fargo is black humor. Gus walking out of a room with half his face missing and adjusting his tie is fancition level shit.

FACE OFF bro.

 

[blame space]

Are you kidding me? Let them have some fun? What are they, grade schoolers? This is these peoples' jobs. Fuck fun. Do your goddamn job correctly.

christ dude

 

[markot]

Its more the 'outrage' the 'fanfiction' the 'worst than lost' stuff that makes me want to blow you all up with a dude in a wheel chair.

I thought it was funny and apt, and I liked it. And so should you.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

holy fuck there are a lot of whiny douchers in this thread lolol

 

[Wads]

holy fuck there are a lot of whiny douchers in this thread lolol

.

 

[Fry]

Why is adjusting his tie a sign of badassery? It would be if he had half of his face off but would still be alive.

He dies so that bit was just pointless. Nothing to completely hate the scene in my eyes though.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

Honestly, I would have rather seen Tyrus' head undergo the CG effect.

As it stands,

Spoiler

herp,

I think an effect that would not have required quite the high level of suspended disbelief could have been achieved with a legless Gus with his CG'd head adjusting his tie as he died while lying amidst a pile of rubble.

Anyone want to comment on Gus' lawyer playing a role in Season 5?

I think it's entirely plausible and I further predict that the lawyer is actually Tyrus' twin brother who intimidates witnesses on the stand with his Look of Disdain.

Seriously, no. I think Gus' mommy has more of a chance of getting involved than his attorney. Now the German multinational corporation, that's a different story.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Are you kidding me? Let them have some fun? What are they, grade schoolers? This is these peoples' jobs. Fuck fun. Do your goddamn job correctly.

There is nothing really "incorrect" about it, it might not be very realistic but the effect it has is that you initially think that Gus is just in shock but mostly okay, then the camera pans around and it's like PSYCHE he's dead. Emotionally, it worked very well and made me think he pulled another invincible Gus move.

For somebody to still be standing and walking a few steps after such an explosion might be remotely possible, but I think the writers always intended for the audience to know that it wasn't meant to be realistic. It was just a good way to show the Gus character's last few seconds of screentime.

 

[Puddles]

The people complaining about Two-Face Gus are the reason we can't have nice things.

 

[BobTheFork]

Holy shit, that means Walt gave both pilots and co-pilots ricin D:
I have to sit down.

 

[markot]

To me its like the plane crash, I dont get 'why' people have a problem with things like that, and the whole 'realism' aspect.

And lets be honest, its more real than CSI, but its still a drama that takes liberties, if you cant suspend your belief sometimes, then you shouldnt really be watching this, or any, show. Hate to see how you guys react to LOTR >.>

They are all story elements, they pull a punch, they try to be over the top sometimes, they try to be subtle, they try to play on our emotions.

Imo, they wanted to give Gus a fitting farewell, for such an integral character, his final scene was him in control, as he died. It was over the top, but it was meant to be, it was a ! to the characters final line. A bang instead of a whimper.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Just watched it again. Enjoyed it more the second time around. I didn't have to worry about my unrealistically high expectations about Hank finding out.

After reading that they wrote a lot of it before season 5 got confirmed, I wonder how much it would've changed if no renewal happened.

 

[maharg]

I would disagree. The plane crash was convoluted and unrealistic to a degree, but it was at least physically possible. Gus's death was literally impossible. It's by far the worst thing the series has seen. A close second is the Twins' attempt to kill Hank.

I have no issue with the plane crash or Gus' exit, but I find the collision more implausible on a practical level. The human body is shockingly resilient, and shock a powerful thing. But two airplanes in clear skies with pilots who aren't crazy/dead/sick crashing into each other because of poor advice from a flight controller? That's pretty damn unlikely.

 

[Discotheque]

I was about to reply then I saw who posted this, lol.

true, biggest troll in the Breaking Bad thread. I sometimes doubt he even believes what he's posting.

 

[Persona7]

The people complaining about Two-Face Gus are the reason we can't have nice things.

The only thing that makes me mad is how they allowed that to leak weeks before airing.

 

[q_q]

To me its like the plane crash, I dont get 'why' people have a problem with things like that, and the whole 'realism' aspect.

And lets be honest, its more real than CSI, but its still a drama that takes liberties, if you cant suspend your belief sometimes, then you shouldnt really be watching this, or any, show. Hate to see how you guys react to LOTR >.>

They are all story elements, they pull a punch, they try to be over the top sometimes, they try to be subtle, they try to play on our emotions.

Imo, they wanted to give Gus a fitting farewell, for such an integral character, his final scene was him in control, as he died. It was over the top, but it was meant to be, it was a ! to the characters final line. A bang instead of a whimper.

Don't know about the other posters here, but for me, I get that and I dig it. I was just pointing out originally that I felt it was way less believable than the plane crash. Not saying it ruins the show or that it shouldn't have been there. I loved the finale and I loved the progression toward Gus's death and the way it was orchestrated, even though I felt the walking away part was a bit too much. BB has always required a bit of suspension of disbelief, and sometimes I feel like it's a bit too much, but I can respect the show for what it is.

 

[BobTheFork]

To me its like the plane crash, I dont get 'why' people have a problem with things like that, and the whole 'realism' aspect.

And lets be honest, its more real than CSI, but its still a drama that takes liberties, if you cant suspend your belief sometimes, then you shouldnt really be watching this, or any, show. Hate to see how you guys react to LOTR >.>

They are all story elements, they pull a punch, they try to be over the top sometimes, they try to be subtle, they try to play on our emotions.

Imo, they wanted to give Gus a fitting farewell, for such an integral character, his final scene was him in control, as he died. It was over the top, but it was meant to be, it was a ! to the characters final line. A bang instead of a whimper.

I'll agree, I don't get why people hate it. The plance crash was one of the only things I heard about the story before I started watching and I was waiting to see what it was and why it was so bad and then....ok. It had no impact on the story moving forward, her dad was just an ATC and fucked up while depressed. It was way more believable than the movie Pushing Tin

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

I suppose the writers assumed we, the audience were mature enough to deal with some tongue in cheek humour. Huh guess they were wrong

*imagines Gus*

Eeeew

 

[markot]

I have no issue with the plane crash or Gus' exit, but I find the collision more implausible on a practical level. The human body is shockingly resilient, and shock a powerful thing. But two airplanes in clear skies with pilots who aren't crazy/dead/sick crashing into each other because of poor advice from a flight controller? That's pretty damn unlikely.

It happens all* the time!

*Well it does happen, a few times, most recent and biggest I can think of is the Russian school kids plane crash in Spain.

From my knowledge of those terrible plane crash shows, pilots are given a warning that they are getting too close, and then they both pull up for instance, and bam. Ground control is meant to a: Make sure they never get too close, but also make sure if they do, they go in opposite directions and fly at different levels.

>.<!

 

[shadyspace]

To me its like the plane crash, I dont get 'why' people have a problem with things like that, and the whole 'realism' aspect.

And lets be honest, its more real than CSI, but its still a drama that takes liberties, if you cant suspend your belief sometimes, then you shouldnt really be watching this, or any, show. Hate to see how you guys react to LOTR >.>

They are all story elements, they pull a punch, they try to be over the top sometimes, they try to be subtle, they try to play on our emotions.

Imo, they wanted to give Gus a fitting farewell, for such an integral character, his final scene was him in control, as he died. It was over the top, but it was meant to be, it was a ! to the characters final line. A bang instead of a whimper.

Different works of fiction ask of their audience different levels of suspension of disbelief. No one would be questioning Gus's death if it took place in a Robert Rodriguez film. You haphazardly invoking Lord of the Rings of all things reveal you aren't capable of understanding that.

 

[| Praxis |]

It happens all* the time!

*Well it does happen, a few times, most recent and biggest I can think of is the Russian school kids plane crash in Spain.

From my knowledge of those terrible plane crash shows, pilots are given a warning that they are getting too close, and then they both pull up for instance, and bam. Ground control is meant to a: Make sure they never get too close, but also make sure if they do, they go in opposite directions and fly at different levels.

>.<!

I forget the technical term, but isn't it similar to when pilots get so clouded by what their instruments or air traffic control is telling them they ignore what is actually going on in front of them? Two different sets of pilots I know but this is a TV show.

 

[maharg]

It happens all* the time!

*Well it does happen, a few times, most recent and biggest I can think of is the Russian school kids plane crash in Spain.

From my knowledge of those terrible plane crash shows, pilots are given a warning that they are getting too close, and then they both pull up for instance, and bam. Ground control is meant to a: Make sure they never get too close, but also make sure if they do, they go in opposite directions and fly at different levels.

>.<!

I'm aware that it happens, which is why I didn't say impossible. Under the conditions we saw, though, I just have serious doubts about whether it would have happened in this case.

We're dealing in degrees here, and to me the plane crash was harder to swallow.

 

[Javaman]

I just gotta wonder how they'd do that. God himself could've have made a cleaner getaway for Walt. All the deaths are on Tio, maybe even the cartel in retaliation. Same goes for the super lab and the bodies inside. The only way somebody would come after Walt is if they actually knew he was the one making the meth and they wanted more. Trouble is, Gus revealed tht Jesse was the mastermind. Then he killed everyone that knew, too. So yea, Gilligan's got a bit of a doozy ahead of him if he wants to write that into the final 16 episodes.

Easy, security footage at the retirement home. The cops are going to want to see who brought the old man the explosives. Gus might have been careful with his footage but they had no control over the retirement home's recording.

 

[Leucrota]

Everyone saying that gus could not survive with half a face for a couple of seconds are wrong. In the "This is what war looks like" there is a video of a soldier in Afghanistan getting nearly directly hit with a mortar or some kind of IED. He loses a leg, an arm, and half his face.

He also survived and was obviously alive the entire 30 minutes of the film.

So yea, Gus could have survived. A lot of factors would have been in play in an actual explosion.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Was this posted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BROfhjCycY

 

[Calcaneus]

The plane crash is still the worst. I've gotten over it and I know why it happened that way, but that was very integral to the plot and took one too many leaps to get there. Add in the season long fakeout and you got yourself some bs.

Are the people whining over Gus's death the same people who didn't appreciate the way Ted went out? At this point the show has shown that it gives no fucks when it comes to killing someone in a hilarious way.

And I appreciate it, cause its not like it really ruins anything going forward and I like it way more than a more subdued alternative.

Two Face Gus > Explosion then cut to Walt listening to the radio

 

[Discotheque]

Nah Ted's death was a great scene, would have fit in on something like Fargo.

Gus' death was just...damn, they didn't even need to show his body as far as I'm concerned. Just that one second of him slipping up before the bomb exploded was good enough, he finally lost his cool...and then he gains it back after his face is blown off? lol fuck that.

 

[Fry]

LOL almost missed this.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Yeah, the second long scream really was all the pay-off needed, I feel.

 

[maharg]

I think part of the problem in the last few pages is that some people seem to believe in some kind of biological and statistical precision that isn't really possible. That Walt could poison a kid with exactly the right dose to make him almost die but never actually die, make a bomb that would only ever hurt the people inside a room he didn't really know the layout of, or that if you're near or in an explosion you die instantly and that's just the way it works.

None of these things are true, and I actually think Breaking Bad deserves *more* credit for realism than people are giving it here. Because life is weird and complex.

If you're 'touch and go', you can die. The shape of an explosion (especially from a homemade pipebomb) is complex, and people really do get up from having their faces blown off.

 

[Persona7]

I still think the tie adjustment was just shock and muscle memory. For the explosion not blowing gus to pieces, tio took most of the impact and Gus was running away when it blew up.