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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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Buckethead said:
Yeah. Walt's pride will take over and be his undoing.

People talked a lot of shit about that Rolling Stone article awhile ago but it was right on the money.


No chance; they just blew up their lab. Where would they cook from? How would they assemble a staff? With what money?


car washes need chemicals!!! Hide it there! Jesse has some money, too. Well, it's 2 years down the line (in my example) which is ample time to build up. There's a bunch of stuff that could happen.

No way Walt doesn't take advantage of the void left behind, now. He's gonna cook. there's no way Walt just chills out at the carwash.
 

Jakeh111

Member
Buckethead said:
Yeah. Walt's pride will take over and be his undoing.

People talked a lot of shit about that Rolling Stone article awhile ago but it was right on the money.


No chance; they just blew up their lab. Where would they cook from? How would they assemble a staff? With what money?
What did rolling stones say?
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Hokuten said:
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Shit, I nearly spit out my drink. Hilarious.
 
The worst thing about the poisoning was that it was unnecessary. They made a point of showing Jesse gravely concerned when Saul told him that Gus threatened to kill Walt's entire family. I have no doubt in my mind that Jesse would have gone along with whatever ended in Gus's death on that basis alone. Walt's an idiot for not realizing that.
 

Grinchy

Banned
shadyspace said:
The worst thing about the poisoning was that it was unnecessary. They made a point of showing Jesse gravely concerned when Saul told him that Gus threatened to kill Walt's entire family. I have no doubt in my mind that Jesse would have gone along with whatever ended in Gus's death on that basis alone. Walt's an idiot for not realizing that.
Brock actually enjoyed playing Sonic. That fucking casual deserved to die. The fact that he got to live just means he has the rest of his life to think about his gaming tastes.
 
Why did Tio have to speak with Hank? Surely Walt wouldn't have suggested that he request Hank, knowing that it would bring him out in the open, would he? I mean, just Tio going to the DEA at all would have probably gotten Gus' attention.

I guess it's possible that Walt told him to request for Hank just for good measure, in case simply going to the DEA wasn't enough to get Gus' attention?
 

PBY

Banned
MisterAnderson said:
Why did Tio have to speak with Hank? Surely Walt wouldn't have suggested that he request Hank, knowing that it would bring him out in the open, would he? I mean, just Tio going to the DEA at all would have probably gotten Gus' attention.

I guess it's possible that Walt told him to request for Hank just for good measure, in case simply going to the DEA wasn't enough to get Gus' attention?
One gaffer noted that Tyrus was specifically keeping tabs on Hank.
 
The more I think about it, it seems kinda sketchy that Tyrus/Gus would not thoroughly check Tio's person/wheelchair. That bomb wasn't exactly concealed very well.

Awesome episode, though.
 

maharg

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MisterAnderson said:
Why did Tio have to speak with Hank? Surely Walt wouldn't have suggested that he request Hank, knowing that it would bring him out in the open, would he? I mean, just Tio going to the DEA at all would have probably gotten Gus' attention.

I guess it's possible that Walt told him to request for Hank just for good measure, in case simply going to the DEA wasn't enough to get Gus' attention?

It's because he knew Gus would be keeping an eye on Hank, since he intended to eliminate him. A lot of people seem a bit confused as to why Tyrus would be watching the DEA; it's because he wasn't, he was watching Hank.

Which, btw, add that to the list of innocent people Walt put in danger in this episode.
 

Grinchy

Banned
mickcenary said:
The more I think about it, it seems kinda sketchy that Tyrus/Gus would not thoroughly check Tio's person/wheelchair. That bomb wasn't exactly concealed very well.

Awesome episode, though.
I know what you mean, especially since he avoided his own car because of a hint of suspicion, but it kind of makes sense. There was no reason to believe that Walt even knew about Hector. It really did appear as though Hector was pissed at Gus and went to the DEA to fuck him over in the only way he still could. I don't think Gus had much of a reason to suspect a wheelchair bomb hooked up to a bell.
 
I absolutely loved the final episode, I loved the look on Hector's face before he started ringing his bell, and the look on Gus's face when he screamed before he got blown up.

I like to imagine what he must have been thinking at that moment before the boom if it was real. I thought the bit where he walked out with half his face blown off, how hector managed to get the bomb. I wonder if he thought it was Walter or Jesse or if it was someone left from the Cartel, although there was no Cartel left... Either way it was brilliantly done.

I thought the few seconds where Gus walked out of the room alive was one of the most bullshit and far-fetched things I've ever seen on TV. Especially how he adjusted his Tie, but I guess they wanted viewers to shit themselves that he survived. I re-watched that part about 10 times, it was so awesomely gorey, the way the eye stem twitches in his skull as he looks around, fucken awesome. At first sight I thought he was some kind of Terminator or some shit and I was about to lose my shit and hate the show, but then he fell over. So so awesome.

I think Walt tells Skyler too much, he's a bit too forthcoming about how much she's willing to take I think. Walt has been pissing me off for a while now, he's such a fucken cunt, and after seeing that he was the one that poisoned Brock, I just stared at the screen in disbelief. Personally, I reckon the Director and producers told whoever the actor is who plays Walt that his character didn't poison Brock for the performance that he gave Jessie the night that he came to kill him, although I want to watch it again from there to check Walts behavior for any clues of him doing it other than the plant in his backyard. When the fuck would he have gotten the time to do it, and how could he have done it, it seems like a bit of a plot hole to me, and when could he have taken the Ricen from Jessie? I just dunno...

This is where I think the series will go from here.

1. There was a massive chemical fire at the laundry in which the DEA will discover the massive meth lab and tie Gus Fring to it, this will unravel his entire enterprise. The fact that he was blown up by the last surviving member of the Mexican Drug Cartel will re-enforce matters in the DEA's mind, however, they will also know that Hector must have had an accomplice because he couldn't have gotten the bomb otherwise. Hank will be seen as "king shit" because he's the only one that really saw it and no one listened to him, he's also going to be the one harping on about the fact that the "big boss" is still out there or someone anyway.

2. Gus was protected from being killed by the Cartel somehow due to some connection to Chile, something so dreadful and big in Chile was protecting him that even the Cartel was afraid to kill him, they had the opportunity but didn't do it, why? Now that he's dead, some sort of king killer revenge bullshit will be coming looking for whoever helped Hector from Chile, that will be Walts new "fear".

3. Jessie is going to find out and see that Walt has the berries that poisoned Brock in his back yard at some point I think... This isn't a definite, but just a maybe. I think that Walt and Jessie will perhaps move to take over Gus's empire, but they won't be able to use his infrastructure because the DEA is going to close down Pollo's. Walt is definitely going to keep cooking though, he's addicted to his "bad arseness" now and he loves the rush and he feels invincible, perhaps his cancer will come back (or already has and he hasn't told anyone, he's been coughing more again lately like at the start) and because most of the money is gone he's going to have to start up again, the fact that "the blue" is out there again is going to be the thing that convinces Hank that the "big boss" is still out there.

4. Then there is Mike who is going to come back to find this entire shit storm who will be either hunting Walt or is at least out of a job, I don't know what I think will happen with Mike, but I think there's got to be something juicy there...

5. Walt just strolled into the lab and killed those dudes forcing Jessie to work. He then dropped the gun on the floor, now if I remember correctly he bought that gun from a black market dude so it's untracable, however what are the chances that a print or some evidence of Walt or Jessie survives the inferno at the Laundry? What about all the video footage of them cooking that has to be on Gus's laptop at Pollo's? Or were the cameras just live? There are so many potential angles for them to get caught out, was there a security camera at the old folks home that shows Walt visiting Hector? What about a highway camera or road camera that shows him driving in there? There is potentially all of these things... I think it's almost clear that Hank has to find out about Walt sooner or later, but will he still arrest him? Will Walt be able to weasel his way out of it somehow?

For people saying its all just too up in the air, well yeah - it certainly is, but there are so many places for the series to go, I really hope they're not planning in canceling it!!
 

Grinchy

Banned
overcast said:
The bomb wasn't strapped on while Tyrus inspected the place.
But it was there the second time, when Tyrus walked in to make sure the room was clear before signaling Gus to come in. I just assume that Gus/Tyrus would never suspect anything had changed since the first visit and there's no reason to suspect it.
 
mickcenary said:
The more I think about it, it seems kinda sketchy that Tyrus/Gus would not thoroughly check Tio's person/wheelchair. That bomb wasn't exactly concealed very well.

Awesome episode, though.
It's because Breaking Bad's writing staff has no problem sacrificing rationale for building tension through cinematography. Placing the bomb under the wheelchair was just about the worst position for it to be in. Easily able to be spotted (Gus turns Tio around in the chair, a chance glance from Gus to knee-level would have revealed it) and sat under a steel apparatus and a human body to lessen the explosion's impact potential.
 

overcast

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Grinchy said:
But it was there the second time, when Tyrus walked in to make sure the room was clear before signaling Gus to come in. I just assume that Gus/Tyrus would never suspect anything had changed since the first visit and there's no reason to suspect it.
Ah okay, I didn't even consider that. I do agree with your second point though.
 

saunderez

Member
UrbanRats said:
He always treats Jesse like shit, he sees him struggle and still doesn't seems to give a shit at times.
Always? His whole business arrangement with Gus revolved around protecting Jesse. If you don't think he planned to have Jesse investigated by the FBI over the "ricin" comments you're not giving Walt enough credit. Gus was 10 steps ahead, Walt was 12.
 
mickcenary said:
The more I think about it, it seems kinda sketchy that Tyrus/Gus would not thoroughly check Tio's person/wheelchair. That bomb wasn't exactly concealed very well.

Awesome episode, though.

They would have made sure Tio couldn't use his bell, since they would think he'd start hammering on the bell to alert a nurse as soon as he saw Gus pull out a syringe.
 
Ty Ty probably didn't want to have to pat down Tio because he would just take a shit on him. TioFace.jpg

Buckethead said:
Should it be a high note though?
The DEA will be on high alert, Ted is dead or has his neck broken after Skylar's direct involvement, and Jesse just put the FBI on his ass.

I mean taking out Gus is nice and all but at what cost?

It doesn't seem logical they'd be on a high right now.

Thats why I put "high" in quotations. It was said in one of the interview that this season finale was intended to have a more closed-end as opposed to the cliffhangers of the past seasons because of the talks between with SonyTV and AMC.

If they ended this season on a chilffhanger and the show didn't get picked back up that would be the worst.
 
saunderez said:
Always? His whole business arrangement with Gus revolved around protecting Jesse. If you don't think he planned to have Jesse investigated by the FBI over the "ricin" comments you're not giving Walt enough credit. Gus was 10 steps ahead, Walt was 12.
Unfortunately Walt sees Jesse as "the normal son he never had" and Jesse's girlfriends dads comment about "always be there for them" really stuck with him I think. Walt really is such a self centered prick though, he's always such a prick to Jessie and constantly belittles his intelligence which is exactly the thing that keeps driving Jessie away.

Imagine if Jessie knew it was Walt who killed his girl...
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Quick question, I might have missed this but where did Walt get the white car from that he was driving in this episode?
 
ColonialRaptor said:
I thought the few seconds where Gus walked out of the room alive was one of the most bullshit and far-fetched things I've ever seen on TV.

Go back some pages and you will find a video that shows its not too farfetched at all.

Personally, I reckon the Director and producers told whoever the actor is who plays Walt that his character didn't poison Brock for the performance that he gave Jessie the night that he came to kill him, although I want to watch it again from there to check Walts behavior for any clues of him doing it other than the plant in his backyard. When the fuck would he have gotten the time to do it, and how could he have done it, it seems like a bit of a plot hole to me, and when could he have taken the Ricen from Jessie? I just dunno...

This was answered already many times even before the finale. Saul's guy picked the Ricin from Jesse. Walt or Saul's guy could have easily poisoned the kid. There is a whole side of this we never saw that logically works. But its implied Walt did it, and Walt was at home all day incommunicado so we didn't know what he did that whole day until his scene with Jesse.
 

oatmeal

Banned
I've been so busy this past week, I didn't even realize it was on yesterday.

What an amazing finale, I liked it more than Final Measures. The show has developed such an incredible style, and continues to select the perfect music for every scene.

No one does silence as effectively as BB.

I was worried because I read online that someone posted "JESSE DIES" so I was really bummed a big moment was spoiled for me.

As the minutes winded down, I was terrified, thinking that it would end with him dying.

Thank God.

Can't wait for season 5.
 
oatmeal said:
I've been so busy this past week, I didn't even realize it was on yesterday.

What an amazing finale, I liked it more than Final Measures. The show has developed such an incredible style, and continues to select the perfect music for every scene.

No one does silence as effectively as BB.

I was worried because I read online that someone posted "JESSE DIES" so I was really bummed a big moment was spoiled for me.

As the minutes winded down, I was terrified, thinking that it would end with him dying.

Thank God.

Can't wait for season 5.
I fucking love fake spoilers. They somehow make the actual "oh shit" moments even better.
 
eh, the concept of gus' death was great. the execution was cheesy as fuck. also, his skull poking out looked like metal. I was expecting him to be a terminator, in Walt's dream.

Anyway, he shouldn't have been THAT calm, and shouldn't have adjusted his tie. perhaps he should even have broken character (like just before the explosion) and screamed.
just let him stagger out of the room, visibly hurt but still alive, and then *camera pan* you see the extent of his wounds as he collapses.
 

Speevy

Banned
I was wondering if anyone caught how incredibly menacing Walt was during his last conversation with Jesse.

Jesse's just about crying over that little boy and Walt appears to be possessed by some kind of demon. He's in a totally different place, as if no one could tell the man from the beast if they tried.

And of course when he first walks up to Jesse after gunning down the henchman, that's just about he scariest I've seen Walt.
 
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This is stupid, 50% of this stuff is totally justified:
- the old man was a cartel boss and pure scum
- yeah, asshole thing to do
- same
- his boss was criminal scum
- dick move
- once again, criminal scum
- major dick move

yeah, he did some fucked up things but it's not as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be
 
Speevy said:
I was wondering if anyone caught how incredibly menacing Walt was during his last conversation with Jesse.

Jesse's just about crying over that little boy and Walt appears to be possessed by some kind of demon. He's in a totally different place, as if no one could tell the man from the beast if they tried.

And of course when he first walks up to Jesse after gunning down the henchman, that's just about he scariest I've seen Walt.
For a fleeting moment the thought of him killing Jesse right then and there crossed my mind lol. And you know what? Why not? Would have been the smart move not to leave any loose ends.
 

Vice

Member
Two-face Gus was a nice throwback to all the dumb shit in season 1 and 2.

Next season the DEA, FBI, IRS, cartels and those boys in Chile are going to be on Walt's and Jesse's asses.
 

VariantX04

Loser slave of the system :(
LOVED the finale. As for season 5, it will eventually be revealed that Walt has been in an unusually long fugue state for the past couple of seasons.
 

Speevy

Banned
scar tissue said:
yeah, he did some fucked up things but it's not as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be


Dexter Morgan has a better sense of moral boundaries than Walter White. The man is despicable.
 

Vice

Member
scar tissue said:
This is stupid, 50% of this stuff is totally justified:
- the old man was a cartel boss and pure scum
- yeah, asshole thing to do
- same
- his boss was criminal scum
- dick move
- once again, criminal scum
- major dick move

yeah, he did some fucked up things but it's not as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be

He's a terrible person, pure scum. He's, at best, one step below the the cartels and Gus on a good to bad scale. It's justified but that doesn't make it any less wrong. If the story was from Gus' or Tio's perspective they'd be just as sympathetic.
 

markot

Banned
Best way to end the series?

Walt wakes up in Hanks car on the DEA drive along. AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!

BAM!

And Tio's face when he starts ting a linging is just amazing.

Also, Tyrus was just looking for a bug, they thought that Tio was talking to the Feds, his maching was just use to pick up radio signals I guess.

They obviously never expected Tio to be setting up the bomb. LITERALLY! He was just an old cripple in a wheel chair with no more cartel ties. Gus thought he had broken him completely, so much so that he would even go to the DEA.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
I'm really curious to see how walts relationship is with skylar now that she knows what he's capable of.

"Was this you? What happened?"(regarding the bomb at casa tranquila)
"I won"

reminds me of the moment earlier in the season when skylar believes he's in danger. I am the one who knocks!
 
Speevy said:
Dexter Morgan has a better sense of moral boundaries than Walter White. The man is despicable.

Really?! REALLY?! Jesus, some of the answers in this thread. Oh God, I'd so want to see one of you guys in the same situation, and see what you'd do..... Like Gary said a couple of pages ago, you underestimate the self-preservation instinct.

The question would be: how far would a man be willing to go to save his own ass?! I know I'm good, but in an extreme situation, if I could switch someone else's life for my own, I don't think I'll hesitate, as long as it's not someone close to me (then, I'm not sure what I would do), like Walt does, he uses proxies.
 
Imm0rt4l said:
I'm really curious to see how walts relationship is with skylar now that she knows what he's capable of.

"Was this you? What happened?"(regarding the bomb at casa tranquila)
"I won"

reminds me of the moment earlier in the season when skylar believes he's in danger. I am the one who knocks!
I'd love for her to just get exhausted with all the moral outrage and start supporting him fully and outright. It'd be a great breath of fresh air. The "omgz my husband does all this bad stuff but I got to support him and the fam but I'm conflicted about it" thing has been done to death. So that's what they'll do.
 
saunderez said:
Why would the DEA be on high alert?.
Wat?

Maybe because their #1 Suspect was blown to smithereens in a hospital where a known drug smuggler lives oh and did I mention he was covered in blood of his Cartel muscle?
 
So, no more Cartel, no More Guss... But still a market and a running distribution line...

Mike is alive and Walt just have to hire him to run this while he goes back to cooking in a new RV !
 
Cartman86 said:
I really hope by the end we get an insane Scarface-esque Walt.

he kind of broke into that when he did that whole "I am the one who knocks" thing, but it was a small moment.

I'm assuming the entire next season will consist of stuff like that though. I hope he starts to get high on his own supply lol.

What if junior gets hooked on blue meth which he tries at school or something, that would be a crazy coincidence. It would be interesting to see how walt and skyler would react.
 
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