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[Trent Strong]

I really hope by the end we get an insane Scarface-esque Walt.

I wouldn't want to see that. The reason Walt is so likeable, despite being so evil, is because he's naive, goofy, in over his head and not all that confident. If he just became a stone cold badass I wouldn't like his character anymore.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

he kind of broke into that when he did that whole "I am the one who knocks" thing, but it was a small moment.

I'm assuming the entire next season will consist of stuff like that though. I hope he starts to get high on his own supply lol.

What if junior gets hooked on blue meth which he tries at school or something, that would be a crazy coincidence. It would be interesting to see how walt and skyler would react.

Junior looks up to Hank like the father he'd rather have too much to ever take meth... But it would be an awesome plot development.

 

[blame space]

"My dad is amazing. It's funny, I didn't know that until I found out he was going to die."

- SaveWalterWhite.com

 

[cacophony]

lol Walt Jr used comic sans

 

[bathala]

Cornballer might have posted it already but
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-face-off-say-uncle
great review (long) by Sepinwall
also interview with Vince about the finale
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-a...-creator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-4

 

[Deleted member 1235]

No chance; they just blew up their lab. Where would they cook from? How would they assemble a staff? With what money?

MIKE

power vacuum next season which walt/jesse try to fill. Mike was just absent, that's weird, he must help them next season. I firmly believe heisenberg is going to have to take care of hank as well.

We better get an unhappy ending out of all this, don't let us down breaking bad. You could be LEGENDARY if you finish on a down note with a death of at least one of the main characters. Preferably Walt, with Jesse surviving and becoming a badass.

 

[Xater]

I think it's funny that people are trying to justify Walt's actions, just so they can have a good guy as a star. Have you guys not realized that this is a show full of absolutely terrible people?

 

[bathala]

reading the interview.

final season is broken into 2. DAMN u AMC

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

reading the interview.

final season is broken into 2. DAMN u AMC

I know it's psychological, but I think it's good because it means 2 more years even though it's split in two, it's like 2 seasons (7 ep for Season 1), I just don't want the show to end, so I think it's good to wait.

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

In Gilligan's interview:

" But he had a reason for doing it. As bad as it is, my personal take on it is that it was not about murdering a child. It was about making a child very sick but making it seem, more importantly, to Jesse that a child who was very close to him had been poisoned with Ricin. To our way of thinking, it was a very cold-blooded and yet pragmatic way of getting Jesse back in Walt's sphere of influence. It was a very big gamble that Walt was taking, to essentially make Jesse think he had poisoned this child, so Jesse would come to him, ostensibly to kill him, but then to ultimately hear him out and get back on Walt's side. It was a very big gamble that could have ended in Walt getting his head blown off by Jesse, but also a very, very dark secret that goes pretty much hat in hand with the secret that Walt keeps from Jesse about Jane - his guilt about Jane's death. Walt's a pretty bad guy these days, but as usual, everything he does, he does for a very specific reason, cold-blooded though it may be.
"

 

[WrikaWrek]

This show doesn't need defending, and Walter doesn't need a defense force either.

The transformation is one of the most important qualities this show has, Walter can't keep being a good guy. In time he will become a bad guy with some morals, but it was clear as cake that this was the path Walter and Jesse were taking.

I can only hope we enter in Scarface territory later, Walter needs to go deeper.

People looking for a hero, a good guy...look no further, Hank is the "super hero" in this story. The guy is smart as fuck, he's funny, likable and he's a good shot.

Walter is not the hero of this shit, and he's on the path to become a drug lord.

 

[big_z]

reading the interview.

final season is broken into 2. DAMN u AMC

if the there's only a 8 month gap between them it's alright but if they pull another 14-16 month gap for these small seasons then fuck amc.

 

[Lach]

btw. Anyone else was like WTF, when Tyrus was scanning Tio's Room and all the sudden you hear that "Hello.....Hello....Uhuuu....''.

 

[Drazgul]

btw. Anyone else was like WTF, when Tyrus was scanning Tio's Room and all the sudden you hear that "Hello.....Hello....Uhuuu....''.

That old little granny was the second funniest part of the episode.

First was of course Saul's sloppy seconds on the hornet's nest - poor guy. :lol

 

[JAVK]

Only read if you have watched The Wire

Spoiler

I want Walter to die like Omar did on The Wire. It should be uneventful and just come out of nowhere.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Shows so damn good. Next season is going to be fascinating.

 

[Discotheque]

btw. Anyone else was like WTF, when Tyrus was scanning Tio's Room and all the sudden you hear that "Hello.....Hello....Uhuuu....''.

yo I literally thought it was coming from inside my house for a second and I fucking freaked out.

when I realized it was in the program I loled

 

[brianjones]

That old little granny was the second funniest part of the episode.

First was of course Saul's sloppy seconds on the hornet's nest - poor guy. :lol

i loved the physical comedy of walt crawling through broken doors and falling over walls

dude is a mad scientist.. cackling away and hiding in dirty laundry bins

face covered in bruises and band aids

he won but he doesn't make it look at all glamorous lol

 

[Wanace]

The bomb sticking to the elevator door was hilarious as well.

 

[brianjones]

and that opening sprint through the parking garage

 

[Nyx]

The bomb sticking to the elevator door was hilarious as well.

Definitely, me and my GF laughed out loud.

 

[maharg]

Really?! REALLY?! Jesus, some of the answers in this thread. Oh God, I'd so want to see one of you guys in the same situation, and see what you'd do..... Like Gary said a couple of pages ago, you underestimate the self-preservation instinct.

The question would be: how far would a man be willing to go to save his own ass?! I know I'm good, but in an extreme situation, if I could switch someone else's life for my own, I don't think I'll hesitate, as long as it's not someone close to me (then, I'm not sure what I would do), like Walt does, he uses proxies.

This is all well and good, and if we were talking about immediate situations or moments of passion that'd be one thing.

What makes Walt scary is that these aren't moments of passion. He's not making a split second decision to save his own life in immediate danger. He's making cool, calculated, evil genius plots that lead to other people, people who are often innocent, completely uninvolved, or equally or more limited in their courses of action, dying or getting injured or poisoned or at least put in mortal danger.

And every step he takes along this path of supposed self-preservation doesn't leave him merely surviving, but stepping up a hill paved with dead bodies that leads to his eventual ascension as a drug kingpin.

If he wanted out of this, the door has been there all along. He's always had a better, safer, more reasonable out. Early on he could have taken the so-called pity money. Later he could have traded his knowledge of the cartel and/or Gus' business to the DEA (his brother-in-law for christ's sake) for safety and escape. Or used the money to escape with Saul's cleaner guy when he first found out about it -- and already considered himself at risk of death, I should point out.

Walt's ego gets in the way of his and his family's safety at every turn. He's bad because he's never once taken the high road, and he treats the people he supposedly cares about like possessions and pawns in a dirty game.

And I don't care what Vince Gilligan says when he agrees with me or when he doesn't. The text is right there, and it screams that Walt is a bad person getting worse.

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

This is all well and good, and if we were talking about immediate situations or moments of passion that'd be one thing.

What makes Walt scary is that these aren't moments of passion. He's not making a split second decision to save his own life in immediate danger. He's making cool, calculated, evil genius plots that lead to other people, people who are often innocent, completely uninvolved, or equally or more limited in their courses of action, dying or getting injured or poisoned or at least put in mortal danger.

And every step he takes along this path of supposed self-preservation doesn't leave him merely surviving, but stepping up a hill paved with dead bodies that leads to his eventual ascension as a drug kingpin.

If he wanted out of this, the door has been there all along. He's always had a better, safer, more reasonable out. Early on he could have taken the so-called pity money. Later he could have traded his knowledge of the cartel and/or Gus' business to the DEA (his brother-in-law for christ's sake) for safety and escape. Or used the money to escape with Saul's cleaner guy when he first found out about it -- and already considered himself at risk of death, I should point out.

Walt's ego gets in the way of his and his family's safety at every turn. He's bad because he's never once taken the high road, and he treats the people he supposedly cares about like possessions and pawns in a dirty game.

And I don't care what Vince Gilligan says when he agrees with me or when he doesn't. The text is right there, and it screams that Walt is a bad person getting worse.

I consider the season finale as a case of an extreme situation. The clock is ticking, Walt must kill Gus, so yeah, he does whatever it takes, sending the lady to his house, he doesnt want to risk getting killed there, dick move sure, but logical and smart either way ; like the Brock poisoning, it was the perfect move, and a necessary one.

So yeah Walt may be a terrible person but like Gilligan says, there's a reason to everything he does.

Very interesting debate, but I still don't agree to those saying that Walt thinks about himself first, I say he puts his family first.

 

[maharg]

I still don't see how anyone can believe he puts his family first. Again, if he put his family first he would have made very different decisions. All those outs I mentioned? They're ALL much better for his family.

I'm not gonna say he doesn't consider them, or that he won't go to great lengths to keep them safe *as well as* himself. But just because he doesn't betray them at the drop of the hat doesn't mean that if it came down to the wire and it was him or them, he wouldn't rationalize away saving himself at their expense. And he's gone really far down the rabbit hole at their expense.

Also, don't you understand that the fact that there are cold, calculated, logical reasons for the horrible things he does is exactly what makes him so frightening? Anyone in his sphere is likely to wind up trapped in one of his plans.

 

[markot]

He rationalises it that way, but its all about him. Just like the cartel talk about 'family' and what not.

Ego.

Essentially, its the same as any 'mob' family. They talk about family, but everything that they do puts their family in danger. Just like Godfather!

And deep down? Its all about ego, power, control and money.

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

I still don't see how anyone can believe he puts his family first. Again, if he put his family first he would have made very different decisions. All those outs I mentioned? They're ALL much better for his family.

Are you kidding?! He does it at first for his family, then he flips out when his family is threatened, he goes bat shit insane when Gus threatens to kill his family.

I think we're not talking about the same thing or aspect, if you're talking about not putting his family first in terms of his choices, then it's a different thing.

 

[Puddles]

He didn't have enough money for Saul's cleaner. I thought that part was pretty well explained.

There's no way Walt would let his family take the fall for him. He'd still sacrifice his own life for Walt Jr.'s at any point. I think the show has been pretty clear about that.

 

[markot]

But his 'doing it' is what has put his family in danger.

He puts them in danger due to his choices. And there are plenty of options out there to stop the danger, both to him and his family. But his ego prevents him from choosing those, not his family.

If you care about someone you dont do that.

Of course he cares about his family, but his ego blinds him.

 

[maharg]

He didn't have enough money for Saul's cleaner. I thought that part was pretty well explained.

When Saul first told him about the cleaner, he had the money. His lack of money came after, and wasn't an issue until he went back to Saul to actually do it.

There's no way Walt would let his family take the fall for him. He'd still sacrifice his own life for Walt Jr.'s at any point. I think the show has been pretty clear about that.

When has the show ever been clear about that? What has he done to prove this apparently indisputable fact? He could have sacrificed himself in this last episode, but he didn't. Instead he contrived a ridiculous plot that involved poisoning a child -- something the Walt Defense Force in this thread was adamant was across the line for him.

To be clear, the only proof I will accept of Walt's clear willingness to sacrifice himself for his family is him *actually doing it*. Even if he got out of it somehow after the fact.

Until then, all you have is his words. And there is no one, I repeat *no one* on the show he hasn't lied grievously to. So taking him at his word is just a little bit daft.

Also to be clear, Walt's family would be better off if he were dead. Yeah, that's right, I'm going there. They'd have been better off if he'd died of the cancer and never made a single batch of meth.

 

[AngryMoth]

Maybe they'll end up using the car wash as a front for a new meth lab. It has the same advantage as the laundry; a good place to get large quantities of chemicals under the radar.

 

[Puddles]

When Saul first told him about the cleaner, he had the money. His lack of money came after, and wasn't an issue until he went back to Saul to actually do it.



When has the show ever been clear about that? What has he done to prove this apparently indisputable fact? He could have sacrificed himself in this last episode, but he didn't. Instead he contrived a ridiculous plot that involved poisoning a child -- something the Walt Defense Force in this thread was adamant was across the line for him.

To be clear, the only proof I will accept of Walt's clear willingness to sacrifice himself for his family is him *actually doing it*. Even if he got out of it somehow after the fact.

Until then, all you have is his words. And there is no one, I repeat *no one* on the show he hasn't lied grievously to. So taking him at his word is just a little bit daft.

Also to be clear, Walt's family would be better off if he were dead. Yeah, that's right, I'm going there. They'd have been better off if he'd died of the cancer and never made a single batch of meth.

Right, but he did try to use the cleaner. He was keeping it as an option until it was clear that he couldn't salvage the situation with Gus. And the reason he did it was to protect Hank. When it came down to it, when a member of his family was in actual danger, he was willing to walk away and give up his whole life to keep them from being killed. It's important to note that up to that point, Walt's family had never actually been threatened.

As for the rest of your post, you can argue about what a fictional character would or would not do all day. I think it's a huge stretch to claim that Walt would let Skyler or Flynn take the fall for him just because he used his neighbor to flush out Gus' henchmen and used a non-lethal dose of a toxic berry to make a kid get sick in order to be able to take out a mass-murdering drug lord.

 

[Fry]

btw. Anyone else was like WTF, when Tyrus was scanning Tio's Room and all the sudden you hear that "Hello.....Hello....Uhuuu....''.

That was creepy and funny as hell.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

When Saul first told him about the cleaner, he had the money. His lack of money came after, and wasn't an issue until he went back to Saul to actually do it.

He had the money until Skyler gave it to her old boss to pay his tax fines off. She took the money without telling him....... why he was lollin.

 

[maharg]

...in order to be able to take out a mass-murdering drug lord.

The rest of your post is silly. It doesn't answer to any of my claims or rebut the idea that the show has never given us any idea what Walt would do if truly given a choice between himself and his family. And again suggests that the dose he gave Brock was non-lethal when he had no way to guarantee that.

As for this little snippet, Walt is now a mass-murdering drug lord himself. And yet he's still your best buddy. It's one thing to argue moral relativism, it's another to shit on one person and say they deserve to die while saying another is an upstanding moral person who just wants to take care of his family for doing the same things.

Did Gus do anything Walt hasn't? Seriously.

He had the money until Skyler gave it to her old boss to pay his tax fines off. She took the money without telling him....... why he was lollin.

Thanks, I was watching the show. Completely missing the point. Walt had an out that would have saved himself and his family from all the shit he's piled onto them and the lies he's told them, and he didn't take it until there was nothing left to do. This has been a running theme throughout the show. Every time Walt is given an olive branch from the sane and rational world, he shoves it aside and kills someone instead.

 

[grounded_dreams]

Anyone got a link to the image of Sals security guard patting down Jesse when he swapped the cig packet? Cant find it, only a still shot.

Cheers

 

[Wickwire]

The last shot of gus' car and the pollos hermanos emblem indicating that gus has a brother? I agree with the previous comment about walt trying to set up a new lab at the car wash.

 

[BobTheFork]

When Saul first told him about the cleaner, he had the money. His lack of money came after, and wasn't an issue until he went back to Saul to actually do it.

I thought he had the money until Skyler gave a ton of it to Tom. Did they not actually lose it because of what happened to him?

edit: beaten

I love Hule (spelling?) but man that guy's head freaks me out every time.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

"Your final chance to look at me 'ector"

*badass evil hector smile frown*

"Noo.." *Boom*

*eye tendon / nerve ending wiggle*


Sogood.gif

The scene with two face Gus should've really ended with Gus falling to the ground on to the side of his face, blood spatter - pan over, Tio's dismembered eyes are "staring" directly at him.


HERE'S LOOKING AT YA, KID.

 

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

The last shot of gus' car and the pollos hermanos emblem indicating that gus has a brother? I agree with the previous comment about walt trying to set up a new lab at the car wash.

Mmmmmmmm, good catch here. I really didn't think of that, could be the case. But I doubt they get enough time to introduce a new villain.

 

[Stet]

I thought he had the money until Skyler gave a ton of it to Tom. Did they not actually lose it because of what happened to him?

edit: beaten

I love Hule (spelling?) but man that guy's head freaks me out every time.

i fucked tom

 

[sixteen-bit]

i fucked tom

hule indirectly killed tom

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I think we oughta be done with outside pressures upon Walt. Gus was as big and looming as villains get. It's time for Walt to be on top making things worse for others.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

The last shot of gus' car and the pollos hermanos emblem indicating that gus has a brother?

No? Breaking Bad speculation is getting worse than Lost speculation. The hermanos were Gus and his partner who got killed earlier in the season, that was already established.

 

[sohois]

The last shot of gus' car and the pollos hermanos emblem indicating that gus has a brother? I agree with the previous comment about walt trying to set up a new lab at the car wash.

los pollos hermanos was so named because of Gus's partner, the cook who was killed by Tio & the cartel, which was the reason for Gus's hatred of Tio Salamanca. Gus may have a brother or other family given Don Eladio's comments regarding his connections in Chile, but the shot of the car was not indicating that i believe.

 

[Stet]

los pollos hermanos was so named because of Gus's partner, the cook who was killed by Tio & the cartel, which was the reason for Gus's hatred of Tio Salamanca. Gus may have a brother or other family given Don Eladio's comments regarding his connections in Chile, but the shot of the car was not indicating that i believe.

Yeah Walt looks right at the car as he drives past, and he seems pretty happy. I'm pretty sure that shot is just to establish that yes, Gus's car is still in the hospital parking lot and that Walt may have lost that battle, but he eventually won the war.

 

[Cornballer]

- Hank's blog: Did Not See That Coming

 

[daw840]

As good as it gets.

This is pretty fucking awesome. I think I will wait a week or two to use it though. Just to prevent spoilers. Thanks!

 

[iammeiam]

I think it's true that Walt believes he puts his family before all else, but in reality they come in maybe second. Before Walt's sense of self-preservation, but behind his ego. He'll put himself in danger to save them, but he's repeatedly rejected anything that might threaten his pride (the pity job, going to the DEA with what he knows, etc). And it's pretty telling that his message to Skyler isn't "We're safe." or "It's finally over." His message is "I won."

 

[sixteen-bit]

Did Walt do any acting in the past or anything? That was an emmy-winning performance he gave Jesse in episode 12.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Did Walt do any acting in the past or anything? That was an emmy-winning performance he gave Jesse in episode 12.

To Mike at the end of Season 3.