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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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maharg

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Cyrillus said:
I felt it wasn't necessary because it seemed pretty obvious from the scene on top of the parking garage. From the fact that it wasn't ricin, to the look on Walt's face when he finds out the boy is going to live, to the audible release Walt has when Jesse leaves. I mean I get that it was the proof and all, but the way it is written it seems obvious before then, and just better executed that way. I preferred the more subtle explanation I guess.
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Given the denying that was going on before the episode aired, I don't think anything but that outright reveal would have satisfied a lot of people.
 
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Sanjuro

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maharg said:
Given the denying that was going on before the episode aired, I don't think anything but that outright reveal would have satisfied a lot of people.
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I'm still not on the same page as most people in here. I think the ending of this season was complete closure to this story arc. It was completely satisfying and allows the show to start in multiple fashions.

Jane. Flowers. I don't see it coming back. If Jessie vs. Walt happens it will be because of a brand new issue.
 
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maharg

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Not sure what that has to do with what I said, but I think it's pretty ridiculous to think that these things won't come back to bite him in the ass. They're building them up for a reason.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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I think Jesse will piece something together, I mean, how did the ricin get missing? Or maybe it's just something he'll forcefully try and forget altogether and move on.
 
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BertramCooper

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I still don't get how any of you can bash Walt and justify Jessie's destructive behavior. He forced a kid to play Sonic Adventure. All Walt did was give him a fucking flower.
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It was Sonic '06.

Which makes it far more egregious.
 
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Sanjuro

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It has to do with your comment of the episodes finale. It wasn't just about satisfaction to people expecting something obvious, but tying up the remaining loose ends for that chapter in the story.
 
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maharg

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Ehhh, I disagree. I think if the series hadn't gotten another season that shot wouldn't have been there. It's blatantly separate from the rest of the episode, so can be easily left off. Without it, everything is tied up because there's really nothing to directly implicate Walt at that point. They can shake hands and ride off into the sunset on their merry ways.

With it, we're forced to confront what an evil bastard Walt has become, which sets up next season.
 
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Sanjuro

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Oh, I don't believe that all the elements have been tied up. You still will have Evil Walt, FBI, Jessie the Hedgehog, Walt Junior's Breakfast 500, and Skylar doing stupid shit people.
 
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BertramCooper

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I'm going to miss this thread. It has been extremely entertaining.

Let's do everything we can to make the Mad Men Season 5 thread as insane as this one.
 
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beelzebozo

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as a writer it would be stupid to ignore the multiple giant ticking timebombs that are now woven into the narrative. jane will come back up. brock will come back up. they will come back up because it is more emotionally powerful for that to happen than for it not to happen. they are both landmarks on our spiral into inevitability. maybe it blows up in walt's face, and maybe it doesn't. but the shit ain't over, because walt carries that stuff, and the pieces to figure it out are all into place. hell, walt's apt to just throw the jane thing in jesse's face when they get into a big huff eventually. stranger things have happened.
 
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Cyrillus said:
I felt it wasn't necessary because it seemed pretty obvious from the scene on top of the parking garage. From the fact that it wasn't ricin, to the look on Walt's face when he finds out the boy is going to live, to the audible release Walt has when Jesse leaves. I mean I get that it was the proof and all, but the way it is written it seems obvious before then, and just better executed that way. I preferred the more subtle explanation I guess.
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you obviously weren't around during the season 3 finale controversy when people endlessly speculated that Gale could still be alive. Since then Gilligan wanted to leave nothing that important un-obvious.

_dementia said:
or assholes.
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haha yeah, cheating on spouses and such
 
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satriales

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beelzebozo said:
as a writer it would be stupid to ignore the multiple giant ticking timebombs that are now woven into the narrative. jane will come back up. brock will come back up. they will come back up because it is more emotionally powerful for that to happen than for it not to happen.
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They might come up again, they might not. The writers on Breaking Bad don't just think of powerful scenes and then write towards those scenes, they go wherever the characters take them, and they also like to do things that the audience aren't expecting.

The Sopranos has a few good examples of ignoring timebombs:
The russian who escaped in the woods, and Melfi choosing not to tell Tony about her rape
So it's not guaranteed that Jane and Brock will come up, and I'd actually be surprised if it did. The only way I can see it happening is if Walt becomes even more of a dick and boasts about it to Jesse to get back at him for something.
 
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MightyHedgehog

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So, how many episodes in will Walt start getting high on his own supply? Can't imagine a chef never cooking himself a meal at least once...
 
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C.Dark.DN

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maharg said:
Ehhh, I disagree. I think if the series hadn't gotten another season that shot wouldn't have been there. It's blatantly separate from the rest of the episode, so can be easily left off. Without it, everything is tied up because there's really nothing to directly implicate Walt at that point. They can shake hands and ride off into the sunset on their merry ways.

With it, we're forced to confront what an evil bastard Walt has become, which sets up next season.
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If Walt is an evil bastard what do you call Gus, Tuco, the drug cartel members?

Let's look at Walt and Jesse.

-Jesee has murdered bad people just like Walt. They are equal and willing when it comes to scum of the earth.

-Walt risked killing the kid.

-Jesse hooked Jane back on drugs and let her do heroin after seeing how much her dad wanted her to be sober. She wound up dead. He got his friends to smoke more after being sober. He tried to get people in rehab to do it. He tried to get Andrea on it but then suddenly didn't want to after seeing the kid. He was trying to get that girl at the gas station hooked on it. Some of these AFTER Jane being dead mind you.

I really don't think Walt is any worse than Jesse. I don't think either are psychopaths.

But, yes, I agree, if Jesse finds out it's going to break their bond and things wont be good for Walt.
 
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triplestation

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Or Walt might just take it all to the grave and have it be a secret lost in time. Everything is now relieved. Everyone is fine.

The writers are expecting fans to talk about Brock and Jane and Walt's sins. I'm expecting a much more obsessive Hank now that he knows Gus and Hector were connected.
 
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dave is ok said:
Until five seconds after Jesse gets home and says "Hmm. Well what did happen to that ricin cigarette?
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Or not. As long as Brock's healthy I don't think he cares.
 
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beelzebozo

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Dr Eggman said:
Or not. As long as Brock's healthy I don't think he cares.
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for a few days? sure. you're right. but then when that priority becomes a presumed element, the mind inevitably wanders back to that cigarette. where did it go? and then, why did it go?
 
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dave is ok

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Dr Eggman said:
Or not. As long as Brock's healthy I don't think he cares.
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It's a giant loose end. I'm sure they'll come back to it.

Not to mention that at least two other people know about Walt poisoning Brock.
 
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Deleted member 81567

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beelzebozo said:
for a few days? sure. you're right. but then when that priority becomes a presumed element, the mind inevitably wanders back to that cigarette. where did it go? and then, why did it go?
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I guess you're right. I can't see from where he can find out though except Walt. Didn't Saul flee?
 
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beelzebozo

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Dr Eggman said:
I guess you're right. I can't see from where he can find out though except Walt. Didn't Saul flee?
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haha, that's the funniest thing about walt: he's just as likely as anyone to spout that off in anger to throw it in jesse's face. like yes, i did it! i almost wonder if he'll be able to keep it under his hat, or if his pride will demand recognition of how smart he is.
 
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beelzebozo said:
haha, that's the funniest thing about walt: he's just as likely as anyone to spout that off in anger to throw it in jesse's face. like yes, i did it! i almost wonder if he'll be able to keep it under his hat, or if his pride will demand recognition of how smart he is.
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I also think he's smarter than to lose Jesse's trust again though. He never mentioned letting Jane choke even after that little confession on the 'Fly' episode.
 
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POWERSPHERE

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Just watched the last episode, and that shot of Gus what a bit silly, but damn. What a finale. Nicely wrapped up, and Walt is a fucking monster.

Next season should be interesting, they can go anywhere from here.
 
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Zzoram

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Season 5 has to end with Walt dying or being arrested, and Jesse being redeemed, maybe setting off to start a new legit life.

It seems like from the very beginning, Walt has been a terrible influence on Jesse and has done nothing but ruin Jesse's life and drag him deeper and deeper into shit. Heck, Walt killed his girlfriend and poisoned his new girlfriend's kid just to manipulate him and maintain control over him. Jesse has a genuine interest in getting out of this business since he doesn't care about the money anymore and never cared about power but Walt keeps dragging him back in because Walt does care about the power.

I think Jesse will find out about Jane and Brock in Season 5, he has to. This show doesn't forget things that happened in past seasons unlike other shows (ie. Dexter).

Walt has slowly been turning into the bad guy of the show since the beginning, but the way they've written Jesse he is the one that seems capable of being redeemed, not Walt.
 
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kehs

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-Pyromaniac- said:
lol breaking bad is insane so we act insane. In the Mad Men thread we'll all act like sophisticated gentlemen.
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I'm aborting my participation so no one knows I used to watch Mad Men early on.
 
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Deleted member 81567

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So what's everyone's fav episode this season? Mine's definitely Crawl Space. Those last 10 minutes make the whole episode perfect.
 
Keylime

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Dr Eggman said:
So what's everyone's fav episode this season? Mine's definitely Crawl Space. Those last 10 minutes make the whole episode perfect.
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This is likely the only answer.
 
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bathala said:
Beat the Sen's Fortress Boss. no guide needed.
Great Fireball, Iron Flesh, and Black Knight Greatsword

the stage is just annoying. gave me a headache
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bathala said:
Beat the Sen's Fortress Boss. no guide needed.
Great Fireball, Iron Flesh, and Black Knight Greatsword

the stage is just annoying. gave me a headache
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lol as a pyromancer 99% of the bosses are easy as fudge.

Wait what are we talking about.
 
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dave is ok

aztek is ok
FantasticMrFoxdie said:
Jesse should have let Brock play of Dark Souls instead of Sonic
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Walt's plan should have been to replace Sonic 06 with Dark Souls. He'd get so frustrated by being killing by the first enemy in the game, he'd willingly poison himself
 
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Speevy

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If you go into the Catacombs, you'll find the soul of Tio in the form of floating heads that explode when you look at them.
 
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